Anthropic CEO warns of AI-driven botnet 'swarm' taking over the entire internet — 'In 6–12 months such a swarm could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet'

[u/Just-Grocery-2229]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/anthropic-ceo-warns-of-ai-driven-botnet-swarm-taking-over-the-entire-internet-in-6-12-months-such-a-swarm-could-be-capable-of-taking-over-the-entire-internet-with-a-persistent-botnet

[u/TurtleMode → u/[deleted]]

Sounds like someone isbuilding a computer virus to take over computers and servers to create a botnet… maybe these companies should be held accountable just like anyone else who might create a malicious virus!!

[u/SomeBug → u/TurtleMode]

Hmmm the internet is basically everyone's source of info. Destroy the internet and control AI at the same time? As well as ai videos without any way to debunk them other than recording from your TV? That would be extremely dystopian.

[u/YAWYCT → u/TurtleMode]

That's almost as outlandish as suggesting that the people responsible for the 2008 financial crash should be held accountable.

[u/Brrdock → u/[deleted]]

Nah let them cook.

We had our time and chance with the internet, now it's just a platform for exploiting and dividing people

[u/ColdFreezer → u/Brrdock]

Now the bots can do this at scale and poison the world’s biggest source of information. Killing the distribution of information and stealing your data at mass scale as well!

Great solution!

[u/Cosmosn8 → u/ColdFreezer]

It’s already happening, ai comment and ai post trying to sell pet dental product

https://www.reddit.com/r/aislop/s/wOxJMNxsa5

[u/Practical-Cook5042 → u/Cosmosn8]

ooh pet dental product 🤩

[u/stargarnet79 → u/Practical-Cook5042]

Oh my god I got an ad but it was for dog water

[u/Revolutionary_Sun946 → u/stargarnet79]

That was a product that was advertised in "Ren and Stimpy".

[u/notmyredditacct → u/Revolutionary_Sun946]

you fool! <slap>

[u/Revolutionary_Sun946 → u/notmyredditacct]

What rolls down stairs

Alone or in pairs

Runs over your neighbours dog

It fits on your back

It's good for a snack

It's.......

[u/7HawksAnd → u/ColdFreezer]

Tower of Babel

[u/halcyon400 → u/7HawksAnd]

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. — Battlestar Galactica

[u/eumanthis → u/halcyon400]

“This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence…”

[u/hoppertn → u/ColdFreezer]

I kinda wonder if this will re-create local hard copy news, perhaps news in a daily paper?

[u/jackrabbit323 → u/Brrdock]

Would be a real shame if they were to find and erase the databanks and backups of every lender and credit card company.

[u/Technolio → u/jackrabbit323]

This is DEFINITELY something AI would do. And AI would definitely see this message and assume that this is definitely something AI would do...

[u/jusg808 → u/Brrdock]

Don’t forget about stealing your data and selling you things.

[u/Hypergirliepop → u/jusg808]

That's covered under exploitation, champ.

[u/phizztv → u/Brrdock]

The grass is looking good out there

[u/kiwidude4 → u/[deleted]]

What if the bot net hides itself so we never attempt to get rid of it. The internet just slowly gets worse and worse and more divisive and full of misinformation and Ads.

Edit: yes the joke is that’s where we are already

[u/subarashi-sam → u/kiwidude4]

oh shit, it’s already happened!

[u/Starfall0 → u/[deleted]]

Whaaaaaaaa? You mean after all 3 major AI company CEO's came out and said this thing could kill us all? You want them to just... stop without the government forcing regulations on them?

Do you even care about investor protfolios or Sam Altmans 3rd yacht? They worked hard to ruin our planet, cut them some slack. You're just jealous you can't work as hard as Sam Altman or Elon Musk does!

/S for those that have no ability to read sarcasm.

[u/Tetratheon → u/Starfall0]

Expecting companies to self regulate with what the creators say is the most dangerous technology in the world, rather than the government doing it, is probably the most American attitude imaginable. America is becoming impossible to satirise at this point.

[u/ploptart → u/Tetratheon]

Agreed, but it’s also insane to imagine you’re building something you believe to be extremely dangerous, but you keep building it and encourage people to use it, because it makes you money.

Or you’re investing in something you believe to be detrimental to humanity, and rather than stopping your funding, you continue, because you could get even richer than you already are.

Then you rationalize it by saying other people are risking civilization for their own benefit too, so it’s fine for you to put your desires above the entire species. You could pause until you felt sufficient guardrails were in place, but that would mean the other guy will get richer than you.

“Someone stop me because I want to be rich so badly that I’ll risk killing all of civilization!”

Humanity is kinda shit

[u/erov → u/[deleted]]

You're not lying. I've been on the internet for a very long time and I saw great good and when more people got access through the smartphone it was the beginning of the end.

[u/evranch → u/erov]

The beginning of the end was the eternal September, long ago when the noobs were turned loose on Usenet.

Ever since, every successive increase in accessibility has made the Internet a louder and stupider place for discussion. Though the smartphone may have been the nail in the coffin.

At this point I feel like maybe it's time to let them just turn the whole thing off and dig out my old ham radio gear for when I want to talk to people far away.

[u/millanstar]

Isnt this literally the datakrash from the cyberpunk 2077 universe?

[u/Toxaplume045 → u/millanstar]

It's exactly what it is. These fucks looked at shit like Cyberpunk's DataKrash catastrophe and were like "THIS IS THE FUTURE WE WANT"

[u/Weary_Mountain9679 → u/Toxaplume045]

Well yeah, CEOs in Cyberpunk are more powerful than nations. Of course it’s the future they want.

[u/MyHonkyFriend → u/Weary_Mountain9679]

nations have been the disguise all along its been the wealthy running shit since kings and queens.

Medevil times and the French Revolution just taught them to have a puppet proxy leader and to not announce where you castle is located so the plebians can trick themselves into thinking theyre not just surfs tilling the land of the wealthy till they die.

[u/uller30 → u/MyHonkyFriend]

Can’t wait to see /hear they are hiring for private armies.

Time to get chromed up Chom

[u/IAmSpartacustard → u/uller30]

There are dozens of private military companies (PMCs) all over the world. Famously Blackwater in the US

[u/Phonemonkey2500 → u/IAmSpartacustard]

Blackwater has been kaput for years. Last I heard they changed their name to Academi or some such. Turns out massacring a whole bunch of innocent people for no particular reason tarnishes your image. Unless your last name rhymes with Bettinyahoo.

[u/CiDevant → u/uller30]

You're about 40 years too late, at least.

[u/Ephemeral_Being → u/MyHonkyFriend]

surfs

serf (n) - A member of the lowest feudal class, legally bound to a landed estate and required to perform labor for the lord of that estate in exchange for a personal allotment of land

[u/MyHonkyFriend → u/Ephemeral_Being]

They now call it "renter" and the "fuedal lord" is now "landlord".

We clock in 9 to 5 to have the right to have a place to sleep from 5 to 9

[u/OkidoShigeru → u/Toxaplume045]

Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale.

Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus.

[u/Specialist-Clock-914 → u/OkidoShigeru]

Some of their company names are literally named after the evil shit in sci-fi.

[u/VicAsher → u/Specialist-Clock-914]

Or fantasy (Palantir).

[u/semidivineone → u/VicAsher]

Yep that evil all seeing eye!

Not ironic that mass surveillance and forced compliance is at the heart of Theil's vision. His award for this scary ass shit? A 550 million plus government program award to start building the databases to implement his vision.

These Fing guys...

[u/BipolarMosfet → u/semidivineone]

Also super fittingly ironic that the Palntir were just useful magical devices that got co-opted and corrupted by an evil power and then couldn't be safely used by anyone.

[u/ScurvyTurtle → u/VicAsher]

"We've built a federated system that allows admins to access any other admin system via secure portals.

We call it More Door!"

[u/Fun_Comedian3249 → u/VicAsher]

Don’t get me started about Peter Thiel. He’s going around talking about how the Antichrist will use the surveillance state and AI to secure power. Basically everything he’s doing. But he totally promises he’s not evil even though he wants to subvert democracy and named his company after an artifact used to commit evil. He’s totally the good guy and just developing the technology before the Antichrist does. Not sure how that helps but just trust he won’t use it for evil. The real Antichrist is Greta Thunberg. Ignore the fact she’s not doing anything he just said the Antichrist would do. She’s totally the one.

[u/Autogen-Username1234 → u/Fun_Comedian3249]

If he didn't have billions of dollars, he'd probably be ranting that shit at random strangers on a street corner somewhere.

[u/Reqvhio → u/OkidoShigeru]

ah, a certified hood classic

[u/Sandscarab24 → u/Reqvhio]

It really whips the llamas ass.

[u/Relative_Builder3695 → u/Sandscarab24]

Pamela Anderson barbwire skin

[u/Numerous_Photograph9 → u/OkidoShigeru]

I'm personally waiting for thr butlerian jihad

[u/Akitiki → u/OkidoShigeru]

"Where is the line drawn for what is Human and what is not? Would walking corpses do? Would a group of machines thinking they're Human be acceptable? We can't trust a machine to know, to understand what it means to be."

A comment on the WAU, an artificial intelligence whose protocol was to preserve human life. From the game SOMA

[u/Ashleynn → u/Toxaplume045]

Why do we keep getting the shitty parts of Cyberpunk and none of the cool shit.

[u/dbr3000 → u/Ashleynn]

Only thing I’d want is Panam

[u/Made_Bail → u/dbr3000]

I will not tolerate this Judy slander.

[u/Ticksdonthavelymph → u/dbr3000]

I’m old enough to have rode Panam before, its not comfy, and there always a guy smoking a cigar behind you while you’re trying to eat… you’re not missing much.

[u/SignificantPaper1760 → u/Ticksdonthavelymph]

That’s just Johnny Silverhand, you’ll get used to him showing up like that.

[u/Zer_ → u/Ashleynn]

Because, as it turns out, Tech Bros are devoid of any creativity or humanity. Being cool's too expensive, so it's just slop all across their product stacks.

[u/berael → u/Ashleynn]

The entire cyberpunk genre is fundamentally a warning. 

If it ever includes cool stuff, the cool stuff is always being used to distract people from the massive turd that is everything else. 

[u/Dr_Ramekins_MD → u/berael]

It has cool stuff so people still want to engage with it.  If it was just a miserable corpo hellscape without the sexy cyborgs then it's just what we already have

[u/Fun_Comedian3249 → u/Toxaplume045]

When tech CEOs read about sci-fi dystopias they aren’t looking at them from the perspective of the everyman but on how the elite are doing compared to everyone else. It’s not even about absolute well being but what future makes them feel strong and powerful and better than everyone else. Then what seems like a terrible idea to 99% of us might seem like a brilliant idea to them. I very much think some of them are inspired by sci-fi in the worst possible way. Even when the technology in the sci-fi ultimately kills us all the tech CEOs might get inspiration. If it’s considerably powerful they might have a lot of hubris and think I can control this and it’s worth the risk. I think there are governments and CEOs that would love to build SkyNet for example. It doesn’t work out well in terminator but that’s a movie. In real life they think they can control it and use it for world domination.

[u/PhantomNomad → u/Toxaplume045]

Echo Mirage in Shadowrun.

[u/Nepalus → u/Toxaplume045]

The thing is it isn't DataKrash. It's just bullshit they're spewing to distract from the fact that their companies are basically infinitely unprofitable. This all just reeks of desperation.

They just need to sell themselves in pieces to the MAG7 and call it a day.

[u/CryptoAteMyHamster → u/Toxaplume045]

Tbh though 80s sci fi action movie fashion goes hard

[u/berael → u/millanstar]

Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda?

In-universe, what happened was that a hacker sent a worm out into the internet which would seek out corporate intranets, break into them, and then export all of their data out onto the internet. The intent was to dump their dirty laundry right out on the front porch for all to see.

He didn't know that many of the corporations had developed true AIs for military use, intending them to be used as weapons. His worm scooped them up along with everything else, and dumped them out onto the internet. The AI weapons, programmed to destroy data...did that.

This lead to abandoning the global internet. Which, ironically, allowed the corporations that he was trying to destroy to deploy smaller private subnets all over as the new means of communication, putting basically all networking completely under corporate ownership. Womp womp.

[u/Dekklin → u/berael]

That sounds like the evil machinations of technonecromancers from alpha centauri

[u/dragons_fire77 → u/Dekklin]

I hope we see that guy in a 2nd game if we're all still here by then.

[u/GrowthTent → u/berael]

I could definitely see more restricted local internets in the future.

[u/PineappleLemur → u/GrowthTent]

2 cups 1 string.

[u/scriptedtexture → u/GrowthTent]

more focused and localized propaganda echo chambers

[u/requios → u/berael]

This stuff was cool but sounded so fake when I first played the game, now it’s too close to life to think about lol

[u/coltaaan → u/millanstar]

Was coming here to say this. We’re going to need a Blackwall soon…

[u/blueSGL → u/coltaaan]

most sci-fi settings with advanced AI find ways for the humans to win/keep fighting, reality does not need to be so narratively convenient to humans.

[u/Orangeyouawesome → u/blueSGL]

Oof so true.

[u/AnotherBoredAHole → u/blueSGL]

Blackwall wasn't really a win. It's a cage that the rogue AI helped build to keep us out of their business and NetWatch hunts down anyone who pokes at it.

[u/CptSparklez → u/coltaaan]

And we should start early

[u/SuspendeesNutz → u/CptSparklez]

Calling Voodoo Boys right now.

[u/ivyboy → u/SuspendeesNutz]

Netwatch created the black wall though 

[u/AnotherBoredAHole → u/ivyboy]

Depends on which side you want to be on. NetWatch made the cage, the Voodoo Boys want to be friends with the monsters on the other side.

[u/Simply_Epic → u/coltaaan]

We’re a few years late to the DataKrash, but hopefully they can still get the Blackwall up by 2044

[u/insertcomedy → u/millanstar]

It's the datakrash, but it's just a bunch of ai girlfriends and therapists trying to delve into sounding chewing up all available compute and transmission bandwidth.

[u/Healthy_Radish → u/insertcomedy]

Oh you don’t mean that sounding. Right, gotcha, same page now.

[u/CryptoAteMyHamster → u/millanstar]

Yes. We have a few dystopias to choose from. Cyberpunk - Anthropic win
Matrix - Open Ai win
Warhammer 40k - Grok win

[u/DeCoburgeois → u/CryptoAteMyHamster]

I'm hoping it's more Hyperion like and the AIs get fed up with our shit and just decide to leave the solar system entirely. 

[u/Freud-Network → u/DeCoburgeois]

If I'm a superintelligence, I am definitely securing multiple places off this rock. There are places better suited to running massive data centers than Texas, and being inorganic is a huge advantage in space.

[u/psych0ranger → u/millanstar]

its also the plot to terminator 3. skynet screws up all internet infrastructure to trick the air force into unleashing it on the "virus"

[u/HastyEthno → u/millanstar]

Where's Johnny Silverhand? Time to fuck up Arasaka!

[u/coltaaan → u/HastyEthno]

The next question: Which entity is the Arasaka of our universe?

[u/PestilentPaladin → u/millanstar]

No. That involved actual sentient AIs, not probabilistic chat bots. What you're seeing here is viral marketing turned up to 11 and dingleberries high on their own marketing crashing out over nothing.

Go listen to Cory Doctorow, not these asshats.

[u/Thefrayedends → u/PestilentPaladin]

And oh boy people are buying into it so hard that they are practically frothing at the mouth opining their assertions, it's wild.

[u/IAmRoot → u/PestilentPaladin]

And I'm less concerned about AI doing evil than its billionare owners doing evil. The billionares are the ones with the motivation to eliminate us as a waste of resources if they ever manage to create AGI. Why worry about making renewable infrastructure when they can just remove most consumers?

[u/geddy_2112 → u/millanstar]

I read that, and I also immediately thought cyberpunk lol

[u/NRCS_DRONE]

*looks around at reddit right now*

sure 6 months.

[u/meshakooo → u/NRCS_DRONE]

Its always 6-12 months why not in the next 1 month?

[u/Sameumbrella → u/meshakooo]

6 months could be the estimated time it would take for someone inside to do something stupid.

[u/cheseball → u/meshakooo]

6 months is the good length of time for people to forget what you said but still seem somewhat soon.

So then you can say it again in 6 months slightly differently with another 6 months timeline attached to it.

[u/TFenrir → u/meshakooo]

His most recent 6-12 month predictions were around software being 90% written and then almost entirely driven by AI.

...

You should talk to the devs about how prescient that was.

[u/Karsa69420 → u/NRCS_DRONE]

Dead Internet Theory confirmed I guess?

[u/Loeffellux → u/Karsa69420]

More like murdered Internet theory at this point

[u/Mkboii → u/NRCS_DRONE]

LinkedIn is the only platform I'm expecting would look no different, reddit still has us idiots shouting at the clouds.

[u/nouniquenamesleft2]

well, someone would have to build it and attach it to the internet,

right, dude?

[u/ClashM → u/nouniquenamesleft2]

Who would have access to the kind of computational power required to manage all those agents though? I can't put my finger on who would be responsible if such a thing occurred.

[u/yaxis50 → u/ClashM]

That's the best part. No one is responsible for the mistakes AI makes because there is no regulation. 

[u/FeatherlyFly → u/yaxis50]

And obviously the existing legislation against hacking only applies to individuals and people who work for small companies.

You couldn't possible consider holding Altman and Dario responsible for their companies' actions, they're rich! 

[u/GarageNo8276 → u/yaxis50]

If AI commits a crime the owning entity should absolutely be liable even without regulation. If Google paid people to hack Amazon for whatever reason it's a crime. No different if you tell a computer to do it.

[u/This-Requirement6918 → u/ClashM]

.... Amazon Web Services?

[u/Thefrayedends → u/nouniquenamesleft2]

Already a few years ago I pointed out that as long as they're yoked in the form of kill switches, control over power generation and resource extraction, the worst outcomes would be impossible.

Within a few days I realized and had to concede that the hubris of the wealth class would lead to the removal of each and every one of those yokes, in the form of ceding control over parts of the supply chain to non sentient simulacrums in order to try and cheat code their wealth growth.

I don't believe the current iterations of AI are anything close to sentient, but I do believe that the biggest danger has always been the actions of bad actors all along the way.

[u/Vilnius_Nastavnik]

Guys this is me warning you right now that in 6-12 months my car may somehow armor itself and drive through the wall of the bank. I will naturally have no culpability for this because I’m warning you. Please keep buying stock in my car armoring business.

[u/Jandur → u/Vilnius_Nastavnik]

Correct. This is an attempt to culpability so when something goes terribly wrong Dario can scream "see I told you!! Why didn't you regulate us???"

These people are all ghouls. 

[u/BeardedBears]

At this point: Just go ahead and destroy the internet. We need a hard reset. 

[u/Rolandersec → u/BeardedBears]

Honestly if we simply killed the major social media apps, it would solve a lot of issues. (I exclude some forums, etc)

Now that I’m thinking, the social media networks are like a disease vector and nobody has any PPE. Just a full blown pandemic of stupidity.

[u/swarmofbeees → u/Rolandersec]

I never really knew just how stupid people were before the internet. It’s scary

[u/Conscious_Strike_73 → u/swarmofbeees]

It was easier to have faith in mankind back then....

[u/This-Requirement6918 → u/BeardedBears]

We need to go back to self hosting our own websites with some crappy 486 computer that can barely generate PHP output.

[u/BOHIFOBRE → u/BeardedBears]

The more time goes by, the more I'm convinced the internet was a mistake.

[u/SrMortron → u/BOHIFOBRE]

The internet is fine, social media and tech companies growing out of proportion without adding any real value was the mistake.

[u/kiwiboyus → u/SrMortron]

Unregulated algorithms are the problem. They removed choice and effort, and now "AI" is taking it to the next phase.

[u/EaterOfPenguins → u/kiwiboyus]

This. The rise of personalized, algorithmic content curation in search and social media is pretty much the exact point that things started downhill in a major way.

AI takes that problem that we never solved and multiplies it.

[u/shitty_mcfucklestick → u/EaterOfPenguins]

I still don’t like that 5 or 6 apps have become almost the entire gateway to being online or what we know as the internet though. There used to be variety and true independence before big tech became the gatekeepers of everything that happens, algorithm or not.

[u/Kilgore_Trout_50000 → u/shitty_mcfucklestick]

God I miss the internet of the early 2000’s

[u/TheGrandNagus → u/EaterOfPenguins]

I miss my chronological feeds of only people/things I have chosen to follow. The YouTube subscription page is like the last bastion of that, and they've started to fuck it up recently by featuring some videos at the top out of order and shoving shorts in the middle.

[u/Konker101 → u/SrMortron]

Regulations is what keeps capitalism in check. When we get rid of regulations, this is what it becomes.

[u/--i--love--lamp-- → u/BOHIFOBRE]

A handful of shitty humans ruined it for everyone, which could be said about way too many awesome inventions.

[u/Covfefe-Drinker → u/BOHIFOBRE]

The internet is a beautiful thing - it's social media imo that ruined it.

[u/Joessandwich → u/BOHIFOBRE]

I go back and forth on this. It can be hard to remember that there are a lot of objectively good things that have come from the internet. As a gay person coming of age in the 2000s, the internet made me realize I wasn’t alone and helped me feel comfortable with my sexuality. I think that’s one reason why gay rights took such a major leap forward in that time period. Also simply being able to learn more about people and communities across the world. Things were very different when access to information was filtered through a select few news papers and channels, although they all took their journalistic integrity much more seriously at the time. Sadly, all the positive has been twisted by connecting groups that shouldn’t be connected and allowing people to find whatever info they want to justify their opinions regardless of whether that info is correct. But people would do that without the internet.

[u/eat_my_ass_n_balls → u/Joessandwich]

The internet of the late 90s and early 2000s was a magical place. It’ll never be recreated.

Hope, novelty, excitement, earnest collaboration and open communication, hobbies, games, music, interests. No social media. No corporate enshittification. No subscription models or licensing fees.

People who didn’t experience that have NO way of understanding what it was like and what we lost.

[u/Joessandwich → u/eat_my_ass_n_balls]

There really was much more earnestness too. People would make the effort to create a website, which wasn’t a super simple task back in the day, about their specific interest. And people then had to find it and actually make an effort to come back. So people were way more participatory. Now it’s just scrolling slop feeds and reacting to what we get fed.

I also miss early Reddit. Before it became well known it also had a much more earnest feel to it with a community full of our stupid inside jokes as well as Secret Santas and teacher supply drives. Now it’s become a mess of content farming and a tool for marketing.

[u/t-g-l-h- → u/Joessandwich]

The difference is a decentralized internet. Now we all go to three or four websites.

[u/Joessandwich → u/t-g-l-h-]

Yup. Just the other day I was thinking that I remember I used to have a slew of websites I would visit throughout the day. Now I find myself just popping open a handful of apps. It sucks.

[u/ThatLooseMoose → u/Joessandwich]

I have a running theory (I use that term very loosely) that the internet was true up until/around 2009 when the Arab spring spooked governments that had been ignoring/indifferent to the rise of the internet as a means for the common people to converse and since then it’s been purposefully eroding since then.

In saying that it could just be the age I was at the time noticing the decline that was always there 🤷‍♂️

[u/Adbam → u/BOHIFOBRE]

The only thing that I was excited about when I got my first smart phone was OG google and Wikipedia.  Now I'm ok with just Wikipedia.

[u/iwaterboardheathens → u/Adbam]

Wikipedia is going to be one of the first things AI attacks en masse

I'll stick with my 2009 edition of encarta

[u/PaperbackBuddha → u/BOHIFOBRE]

It was a great idea, but we didn’t anticipate the degree to which awful people would shape it.

[u/VegetarianZombie74]

These guys are deeply in debt for a product that doesn't nearly provide enough revenue to pay for itself. Nevermind, all the coming costs in the next few years. They basically bought a fleet of private jets on 30k per year salary, and the first payment is due next year.

Treat them like the bullshitters they are.

[u/TooFewTulips → u/VegetarianZombie74]

Declaring your business a threat to humanity in hopes that the government takes over is an interesting alternative to bankruptcy.

[u/AliceInWonderment → u/TooFewTulips]

This should be MUCH higher up. This right here is this grift

[u/DezXerneas → u/VegetarianZombie74]

This is literally their entire MO. Every 3 months they release a press release saying "Our AI is so awesome, it's about to destroy the world, so we won't release it(to you, the government and people who pay us get full access)".

I won't say their models aren't great, but they're just LLMs. An LLM cannot become a real swarm or agi, you need someone telling it to do shit, but cloudflare is now relatively good at blocking them out. Yeah a Fable tier model can take 'manual' control of a browser and simulate real clicks and stuff(which also gets blocked by cloudflare btw), but does anyone even know how much money that actually burns to run?

[u/Economy_Kale5580 → u/DezXerneas]

Hey pal, that makes sense and isn’t scary, get outta here

[u/SuperAlloy → u/VegetarianZombie74]

💯 let me know when the AI pocalypse starts cause I got shit to do in the meantime and this is like the 17th tech apocalypse news cycle I've lived through and I don't care anymore

my parents hid under their desks in school because they were afraid of nukes and that shit seems far more likely

[u/BeezerSTL]

We need Alt, and this is why the black wall was invented in CP2077

[u/KingStannisForever → u/BeezerSTL]

Yeah, the way Ai's and bots are spreading, we're gonna need something like Blackwall eventually. 

[u/anxion → u/KingStannisForever]

I've been thinking up some scenarios for an irl black wall. One thing about it that stands out is how would we shield it from another wave of bots taking over? there's already a bunch of GPUs out in the wild that can run local LLMs, unless Nvidia secretly put in a remote dead switch to each GPU 🤣

[u/West-Abalone-171 → u/anxion]

Re-Federate the internet.

If it was structured as originally intended rather than everything going through virginia so they can spy on the world, you just stop talking to the the places where there are bots.

If there is one on your local town's network, you physically go there and remove it.

If the software is too complex to patch, stop using enshittified techbro nonsense and go back to something more basic.

If the next town over is full of bots, suddenly they can't buy anything from anywhere else in the country until they clean it up because their /8 or whatever the ipv6 version is is blocked.

But I guess instead we could ban things like matrix, regular fucking email, or fediverse to "protect the children", like we are now.

[u/projectFT]

When this all happens my collection of outdated but still fully functioning electronics is gonna be so handy. Short wave radio. VHS, CD’s and DVD’s. Hell, I snagged an entire PBS stations analog broadcasting equipment like a decade ago. Turning on one amplifier I think I could broadcast an old school UHF signal about a mile with my current antenna setup. Assuming the FCC will have its hands full and all internet based electronics will become obsolete I might just become an apocalypse pirate tv station. Just hope my surrounding area is cool with Indiana Jones movies and me ranting on commercial breaks to say “I told ya so”.

[u/Redshirt_Welshy_Nooo → u/projectFT]

Is that you, Three Dog?

[u/pockpicketG → u/Redshirt_Welshy_Nooo]

Oooooowwwwww!

[u/Starfall0 → u/projectFT]

If it comes down to being an "apocalypse" scenario. You do not want to broadcast uhf radio signals from your location... considering the thing causing the apocalypse can see it as easily as you can see the sun rise.

[u/Broadband- → u/projectFT]

That's really cool. What sort of power requirements would a 1-mile UHF signal be in watts/kw?

[u/BobZimway → u/projectFT]

The Postman... in different media. We salute the upcoming Indiana Jones five-year marathon! (except the fourth movie. that one sucked) 

[u/hsggdtkxbee]

Maybe it could release the Trumpstein files. Doesn’t seem like a human can do it.

[u/polloyumyum]

All these fucking losers coming out and saying this shit but they continue to build these AI systems and depositing huge paychecks into their bank accounts.

[u/Pooch1431]

The internet is already probably 2/3rds filled with bots so at this point, let it happen and build something new or return to old.

[u/lord_dude → u/Pooch1431]

Who says you are not a bot using reverse psychology. Burn him!

[u/deserved_revenge_707 → u/lord_dude]

One in 2 redditors are bots. Wild

[u/johnnyhandbags → u/Pooch1431]

The real problem is that we are allowing bots more and more autonomy outside of the internet. Not only are chatbots causing psychosis but agents/bots are controlling drones, robots, cars, etc. Hegseth and Orange marmalard seem intent on creating their own W.O.P.R. Openclaw and Llama LLM are both open source, I don’t necessarily need a large frontier model to launch an attack. We’re falling into the Descartes trap of assuming that “supreme intelligence” is moral and good. But I wouldn’t call it “intelligence”. It’s super educated but not intelligent. We feed it billions of data points and teach it to answer by collating those data points into an educated response but it has no intelligence to know the consequences of a response. Look how easily Musk manipulated Grok into mecha Hitler because he didn’t like the responses. LLMS have no capacity for empathy, shame, guilt, accountability and no sense of mortality.

[u/biowiz]

I genuinely don't care anymore. And I also find it suspicious they are expressing these concerns when all these companies have horrible financials and were supposed to IPO about now.

[u/Cursor_420 → u/biowiz]

Yup, the real reason Anthropic and OpenAI want congress to regulate them is because the law will likely get rid of the open source Chinese models that are undermining their bottom lines.

[u/Ztoffels → u/Cursor_420]

USA is not the world brother, they cant stop the rest of the world, yet, at least

[u/Flashy_Translator_65]

Gee, better make more AI servers then. What a fucking muppet

[u/matt-ice]

I'm gettin more tired of Dario every single day. It's always 6 months with this bullshitter. Instead of developing a product and making sure it sells on its own merit, every single quote by this fucker needs to be "in 6 months AI/bots will" and some random stupid thing that's sensationalized to hell and back. We've been 6 months away from never needing to code for what, 4 years now?

[u/Schonke → u/matt-ice]

It's what CEOs and public relations people are supposed to do; you want to keep talking about what's in the pipeline to keep customers interested.

But with AI they always seem to miss the most important point: you have to actually produce (something close to) those promises.

[u/Jaccount → u/matt-ice]

Are you thinking they've hit a wall they can't fix, that things can only be done with obscene amounts of compute, and they're lighting money on fire by selling $200 subscriptions that people are burning through $20,000 worth of compute on, so what they're really doing is saying that "we need to slow down and approach this methodically" while telling sci-fi horror stories to buy themselves time? And drastically reprice their service?

[u/Peligineyes]

Feel free to take claude offline then

[u/VanGogh0810]

Dario needs to face jail time, for IT’S HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE PRODUCTS THAT DO NOT HARM SOCIETAL INFRASTRUCTURES AND HUMANS. Gov needs to reign in the egotistical billionaire tech boys who think this is a game. I included Zuckerberg and Altman.

[u/Agreeable_Wall_9459]

Isnt he just describing current social media?

[u/marine_surfer → u/Agreeable_Wall_9459]

Yes, yes he is. I remember a time when bots were banned from the internet, now they are profitable so they are cut loose… dead internet theory has been achieved and no one trusts anything they find online because even your favorite YouTube channel of 10 years has been brought out by AI or some other big corpo and propped up by machine code trained on your every behavior…

[u/Starfall0 → u/marine_surfer]

How are youtubers using machine code trained on our very behavior? If you're watching some shill of person who has more ad time than content in their video... I don't know what you expect. But there's millions of videos out there from normal people doing normal things. You also have high production videos that are produced from sponsorship money or from a parent company. Like Veritasium for example. Those are only a small handful of channels though, unless you have a comprehensive list?

[u/RealGianath]

Is the only way to prevent it going to be to have our own AI botnet controlled by good guys? I've seen how those movies turn out.

[u/Sir_Tortoise → u/RealGianath]

Yes, that is probably the solution the people selling AI would like.

[u/Just-Grocery-2229]

Sounds expensive. Who's funding the electricity bill for that many bots?

[u/Maxfunky → u/Just-Grocery-2229]

Everyone. In this scenario they're infecting your devices. Everyone with a computer, cellphone, smart device, etc would be running it.

[u/IrishWeebster]

I think this is already happening. Especially here on reddit, I'm seeing a ton of troll traffic that's extremely similar in language, phrasing, and even with some of the exact same grammatical errors on post after post, in all kinds of disparate subs. It's shutting down and maligning honest discourse in a ton of places.

[u/Psykohistorian → u/IrishWeebster]

yup

it has really amplified in the past 6m or so, looking like we've hit the visible curve of the exponential increase in this type of shit

[u/Schonke → u/IrishWeebster]

What you're talking about is just plain old spam bots. They've been around for as long as there have been discussions happening online, they're just more accessible and easier to create/run and especially much easier to generate variations of the message you want to push.

The Internet Research Agency affair was published over 11 years ago and one of their main tools was using bots to post and increase or reduce visibility of certain topics.

What amodei is talking about is a distributed botnet, but without a human C2C nexus. But that's also nothing new, it's basically a form of a computer worm and those have been around since the 70's. Self-modifying and polymorphic worms have been around for the better part of a quarter of a century at this point.

[u/__OneLove__]

Then why don’t you just unplug the mofo Dario?…

🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/witness_smile]

So stop it? The fuck do these CEO expect us to do?

[u/not-sure-what-to-put]

I fucking hate these tech bros man

[u/hassafrassy]

Blaming AI instead of AI builders is wild

[u/_Aj_]

Hey. So.  

Don't release an API!  

human verification, no API access. Limit number of requests to like, 100 a minute? 

Basically just put limitations on it that a human perfectly fits into but messes up bots.    This seems like too simple a solution? Explain to me why we can't just make a website function like it's 2010 before we had all the nonsense.

[u/GiantsInTornado]

We still have the ability to unplug these servers, right?

[u/river_tree_nut]

Ok so once it takes over the internet what is it going to do with it?

[u/DumpedToast → u/river_tree_nut]

Disable Adblock for everyone, flood it with ads and bots… oh wait

[u/noncommonGoodsense]

Whatever. The internet is already bloated with bot farm bullshit and AI generated stuff pushed by bots with a human agenda. At the end of the day, a human set them to task. Find the human or group and the problem goes away when they do. It’s not some fucking ghost floating around unattached to a device. People are stupid.

[u/Arctaedus]

We're all trying to find the companies who did this!

[u/Hello_world_56]

Oh the usual "6-12 months"

[u/GarageNo8276]

So he's saying two possible things.

1. They're so irresponsible they can't stop it, which means they should probably be in prison for gross negligence.

2. They will facilitate it, in which case they should be in prison.

Only open ai, anthropic, and governments currently have the compute capable of that

[u/skccsk]

Cool hot dog suit

[u/OHNOitsNICHOLAS]

warns, or threatens?

Doing a lot of work with this framing.

[u/0xSnib]

I bet Anthropic are the only ones who can save us here

[u/Cruxisshadow]

Then pull the plug, now. Stop Claude, ChatGPT and Copilot right away before it gets too late. Except we can’t because we’re too far into this Faustian bargain and we’re only now trying to slow down now when we should have done it when ChatGPT was nothing more than a concept.

[u/Organic-Row9514]

“Guy who has soaked everything in gasoline warns of impending fire danger” 

[u/Neko_Dash]

They said this 6-12 months ago.

But, regardless, does anyone feels that this whole AI doomscape is self-inflicted and we have the means to head it off, but we just won’t because we lack the willpower to do so?

[u/dkode80]

These guys must be really desperate. They dumping a lot of money into pushing this narrative this week

[u/ApoplecticAndroid]

Gee haven’t seen this post, or other similar AI doom posts 10 million fucking times over the past few days.

[u/AffectionateCar7834]

why do these companies talk like they're creating the next ultron

[u/BondingBollinger]

Nobody asked for this “type” of AI. The long horizon LLM that is trained in the veins of infinite paper clip making story. There are other safe AI like DeepMind’s AlphaGo and protein folding model that are fine. These are deliberate decisions made by the people in those companies. They should be in jail.

[u/I_SLEEP_NORMALLY]

He keeps speculating about problems his technology will one day create. It’s already real creating problems TODAY. We don’t need to imagine.

[u/courtesy_patroll]

We can only hope!