r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 18h ago

Discussion She almost ruined a proposal.

This was at Crescent Bay Point Park, which allows people to book it special occasions.

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u/randomcommentor0 16h ago

I'm sorry, were those young Mexicans or were they US citizens enjoying a culture of their choice in a US park?  

Maybe it shouldn't matter, but I'm tired of US citizens being labelled as from somewhere else because of their skin tone or cultural choices.

The US is a multicultural nation.  If the US used it intelligently, the US could use the military a lot less, and have a lot more actual influence in the world.

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u/mulligrubs 15h ago

She's being directed to act that way so she ignores the real problems in her country. We don't need a list, we all know what they are and it's not immigrants. Unfortunately, It'd take a Clockwork Orange chair session to convince her otherwise.

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u/Maleficent_Rent6713 14h ago

That’s actually not a bad idea

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u/Wooden_Cicada8880 10h ago

With how frustrated I am with my countryman, frankly that’s not a bad idea! Whose up to run a kidnapping ring to knock some sense into our village idiots?

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u/WingsOfBuffalo 14h ago

I have a good friend from Japan who was living in the US for a while. I remember having a conversation about being American and I said something like “if you decided to, you could be just as American as I am.”

And he was like “that’s amazing, because you would never be Japanese” lol

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u/damurphy72 10h ago

LOL, most largely mono-ethnic cultures are xenophobic to a greater degree than in the U.S. You are far more likely to get harassed by a self-entitled racist in the U.S. though, because racism is a major political tool for conservatives (and has been since before the Civil War) and Americans have forgotten how to mind their own fucking business.

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u/nodoubles22 9h ago

I agree with you about racism in America. I think you’re downplaying Japanese racism.

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u/icedteaandtacos 3h ago

Absolutely insane from that guy.

The USA is absolutely abhorrent and despicable. Japan’s entire society is built upon not liking other people who aren’t as “Japanese”.

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u/Nice_Basket3163 4h ago edited 4h ago

Racism is the fundamental bedrock of the U.S. which is a settler colonial state just like the zionist entity it sponsors. The notion that it is somehow equal or worse to Japan is laughable as people are not systematically terrorized, tortured, and murdered for being non-Japanese in Japan while the U.S. literally has a paramilitary organization to round up and murder people of color.

What you are suffering from is called brainwashing and indoctrination. To continue to believe in the United States and its lies as an adult is embarrassing. Please wake the fuck up.

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u/Cyclone_Eyes 11h ago

Excellent user name!

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u/BrushNo8178 5h ago

"if you decided to, you could be just as American as I am."

I have only been in America once but I guess that a Native American never would say that.

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u/nodoubles22 11h ago

He’s right. To this very day in Japan, “Japanese only” signs are common on the doors of bars and restaurants. And yet, they criticize us about our past sins like segregation etc.

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u/nodoubles22 9h ago

Strange that I’m getting downvoted for a completely true statement.

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u/Academic_Flatworm752 8h ago

It means they only speak Japanese. Not that only Japanese people are welcome. Interesting how you’re not aware.

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u/Loud-Policy 8h ago

You are confidently incorrect lol. Everyone gets the “you’re gaijen and you need to leave” X symbol when traveling through Japan. Not just at crowded or popular dinner spots either.

Japan is awesome and I‘m not at all sensitive to it but there is a LOT of racism happening in Japan

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u/Academic_Flatworm752 8h ago

I’ve dined in some of those establishments lol. They just don’t speak anything but Japanese so don’t want to deal with you if you don’t also.

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u/nodoubles22 8h ago

Interesting how you’re lying.

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u/Academic_Flatworm752 8h ago

I’m speaking from experience

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u/web_of_french_fries 9h ago

Americans criticize Japanese xenophobia while using secret police to kidnap and deport American citizens of the wrong color. It’s almost like criticizing other peoples’ wrongs is easier than addressing your own. Hmm. 

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u/nodoubles22 9h ago

The thing is, most Americans don’t support the use of ICE in this manner. This administration has record low approval ratings. These signs are not controversial in Japan.

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u/web_of_french_fries 9h ago

These practices being unpopular in America has no stopped them happening; how does it being unpopular make it more moral? There is vocal and powerful support of this as well. 

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u/nodoubles22 9h ago

People are trying hard to stop it. Most people disagree with it. Our political system just isn’t set up to allow quick response. In Japan, nobody thinks these signs are wrong.

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u/web_of_french_fries 9h ago

Support your claims with data or they’re just anecdotal. Given the amount of American (and other) tourism and economic stimulation, I sincerely doubt that these signs are as 1) widespread and 2) popularly supported as you claim. 

Secondly, consider how often practically any nonwhite minority is told to go back to their country, refused good service, etc. in America, if not outright subject to violence by the state or citizens. 

I don’t know why you seem so dead set on proving that it’s wrong for Japan to criticize the wrongs of the U.S. because they have poor practices of their own. The U.S. has done plenty of despicable things both historically and contemporarily, both abroad to others and at home to its own citizens. To claim it can’t be criticized by any country that is not a moral bastion (name one…?) means no constructive discussion could ever happen. For someone claiming these practices are unpopular and should be changed in the U.S., I would think you’d welcome criticism of them from others. 

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u/nodoubles22 9h ago

It’s a pet peeve of mine with Japan specifically. I worked at two US HQ offices for Japanese companies for 20 years. Japanese people are the most casually racist people I've ever spent time around. It was shocking. But their racism is a little different than the racism l am used to as an American. They don't exactly hate other races, but they absolutely think they are the master race, and the standard setters in every aspect of life and society.

I didn't experience many hateful jokes about white people or people of any other race, but I experienced an incredible amount of outright dismissals of anything that isn't "the Japanese way." And in vendor selection for all types of services, they will only do business with other Japanese companies. Office supplies, the mechanic who maintained and repaired the company vehicles, any and all partners and vendors had to be Japanese. There was no written rule, it was just understood.

When I learned that "Japanese only" signs are still a thing on the doors of restaurants and bars in Japan today, that was one of the least surprising things l ever heard.

I so badly wanted to ask them why, if they are so great and do everything the best, has their economy been floundering for decades? Why don't they perform better in the Olympics? Why, even though it is their best sport, do only a handful of Japanese baseball players succeed in Major League Baseball? Why do they have such high rates of suicide and alcoholism?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Japan is worse than the US or Europe. My point is that I know that everyone's shit stinks, including "mine." The Japanese are convinced that theirs only smells of roses.

I’m comfortable criticizing any country or culture because I’m willing to criticize my own. I hold everyone to that standard.

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u/VitriolBaiter9000 9h ago

are you dense

youre saying one country can criticize anothers morality while not being subject to criticism themselves

also morality is a human construct and does not actually exist, good and evil are societal concepts used to ensure human survival

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u/FTR_1077 13h ago

“if you decided to, you could be just as American as I am.”

"Just don't expect half of America to accept that"

/jk, I know is not even close to half.. but a big enough chunk that those people get elected to positions of power.

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u/evidentlynaught 15h ago

As long as they clean up every last bit of that shit, I don’t even care. I find giant glitter scattered at my local park every other week and it is disheartening. People blast plastic everywhere for a photo op and then walk away.

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u/man_eating_mt_rat 14h ago

All I could think was who puts this much effort into a proposal.

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u/ancilla1998 15h ago

That part of California WAS Mexico at one point. 

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u/foolonthe 15h ago

ALL** parts of California

Fifu

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 12h ago

All parts were claimed my Spain. In some parts the occupants would have vigorously disputed that claim, had they known about it.

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u/GhostSiX1Nine 14h ago

Right?

Texas, California, and New Mexico are the states with the most Spanish names. Here long before her Nazi family went into hiding here.

That lady is really ignorant.

https://giphy.com/gifs/l4FGJTu70VK7bMm9G

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u/dallyan 14h ago

I remember staying at a bnb in Austin years ago and the owner was Latino. We were all sitting for breakfast and an older white couple kept asking where he was from and he kept telling them that he had been there for generations. You could see they couldn’t understand how he could have brown skin and speak Spanish and NOT be an immigrant. He had to explain that Texas hadn’t always been a US state. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/Internal-Base8276 13h ago

We didn't cross the border; the border crossed us.

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u/Atllola 14h ago

Should’ve told them that his family has been there way longer than theirs.

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u/Academic_Flatworm752 8h ago

So the bnb had been there since 1845? That’s amazing

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u/dallyan 7h ago

*his family had been there for generations

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u/nietzsche_niche 15h ago

All of california was lol. All of texas too. doesnt stop some people tho

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u/PoopMcgee75 13h ago

A huge portion of Texas was Comancheria. The Mexicans were very happy to have white settlers form a barrier in Texas between them.

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u/DungPedalerDDSEsq 11h ago

The Alta. I still call it that.

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u/dak4f2 1h ago

For 27 whole years

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u/TheM0nkB0ughtLunch 14h ago

Yeah when Mexico was controlled by the Spanish

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u/spongeboy-me-bob1 11m ago

Mexico gained independence in 1821 and California wasn't ceded to America until 1848

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u/No-Box5805 16h ago

It was bc of the Mexican band & music

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u/lazylathe 15h ago

It used to be multicultural before Trump turned the tables on all immigrants or people with a different skin colour. Now speaking out against immigrants or people of colour is an accepted practice there now. It seems to be a certain group has changed the landscape of America for the foreseeable future...

What was celebrated as cultural diversity is now gone. Trump and all his followers are the most racist bunch of supposed leaders the world has seen for many decades.

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u/mowtowcow 11h ago

A quarter of the US was literally Mexico absorbed by the US. They were Mexicans then, and they are Mexicans now. Just so happens, they are also US Citizens!

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u/dak4f2 1h ago

Was Mexico for 27 years

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u/spongeboy-me-bob1 4m ago

The point is that the heritage and culture was there long before mexican independence and annexation

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u/ForHelp_PressAltF4 10h ago

I get your point. May I add that it shouldn't matter?  Respectful enjoyment of public works (parks, museums, etc) is their purpose and these public works are for respectful enjoyment by residents and visitors alike.

By their very nature, these public works are designed to bring peoples together around appreciation.

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u/dak4f2 1h ago

Respectful legally includes quiet enjoyment

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u/krazlix1 16h ago

As French I will never understand this BS, there is no Italian American or afro American there is only north American to me

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u/EpitomeOfAnEnigma 15h ago

The reason people tend to make the distinction is because within American culture, there are often subsets of culture that are directly affected by your family's ancestry. This is because the US heavily practiced segregation and racism for much of its 250 years of existence. This means that African Americans, Italian Americans, Korean Americans, Japanese Americans, Irish Americans, and so on and so forth, had specific experiences that people who may just call themselves "American" didn't have, even if they grew up on the same street.

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u/LoamyLoamisLoamy 14h ago

Canadians, Mexicans, and Americans are all the same to you?

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u/krazlix1 9h ago

Canadians are Canadians I don't wanna call people from usa "American" that seems even less right than north American

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u/Vegetable_Swimmer514 7h ago

But the country is called "america" so what else would you call them?

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u/Badboiscum 4h ago

I dunno, entitled dipshits? Not my fault your founding fathers lacked the creativity to come up with an actual name for your country.

It's like if I went overseas and founded my own country called Europe, and then got mad at people for calling themselves Europeans because they weren't born in my country.

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u/Hi_Im_Dawn 15h ago

Eh while I see what you mean to an extent. But you are wrong on the level that if someone from somewhere else say France in your case. Decided to move to America and become a citizen. They would be French-American not just American. Now if it’s a third or forth generation and beyond that was born on American soil then yeah imo they are just American. Though thats just me personally. But there are definitely Korean-American, Mexican-American, Canadian-American, Chinese-American and the list goes on. There’s a reason the us has been come to be known as the melting pot of the world.

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u/krazlix1 9h ago

Well i think you cannot be X without be born in it, so I incline to what you say in that situation

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u/Hi_Im_Dawn 9h ago

So if someone becomes a French citizen in your eyes they would never be whatever their from- French even if they adopt your language and culture but still keep portions of their own original cultural practices?
In my opinion thats just wrong but everyone is different.

I don’t personally believe myself to be Irish-American or polish-American even if I have ancestors who came over from both nations on ships ages ago. I personally only see myself as American because I’m like 3rd or 4th Generation born here. Depending on which side of my family you look at.

But there are plenty of American people who believe the opposite as you or I and they truly believe they are Irish or polish or German… whatever American simply because they have ancestors who immigrated from there.

Which is funny because when they finally go to visit their supposed ancestors homeland they get so flabbergasted when they get treated like an American tourist rather than a cousin visiting from the other side of the country lol

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u/crocogod 14h ago

"As Fremch I will never understand" you could've stopped there