r/SipsTea • • 9h ago

SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/burge4150 9h ago edited 3h ago

I think there's room in the market for a back to basics car company that takes out all this bs, goes back to crank windows and all that crap and sells new vehicles for an affordable cost with a good warranty.

It would probably crush today.

Edit: I got like 400 responses saying "slate" ok I get it you can stop

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u/AdSquare3489 9h ago

Look at Dacia in Europe, they are exactly that. Maybe not crank windows, not sure. 

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u/Bub_bele 8h ago

I‘d guess electrical windows are maybe even cheaper nowadays

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u/Turbulent_Gazelle530 8h ago

the reason crank windows are no longer even an option is because any changes to the cockpit require extensive testing of airbags and restraint systems in order to ensure that the handle sticking out of the door doesn't interfere. it's not cost effective to have both options.

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u/LIONLDN 8h ago

I didn't think of that, brilliant point, makes sense! 💯

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u/DeliciousIncident 3h ago

That's actually a magnificent observation. This is not only an indication of a keen eye, but a trained brilliant mind as well. 💯

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u/yay4chardonnay 7h ago

Plus they’d rather design cars so your eardrums are sucked out of your head when a passenger cracks a window.

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u/PiDigitsOfPi 7h ago

That has nothing to do with cranks vs electric though

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u/Electronic_Still2000 7h ago

At what speed is that an issue in your car? I know one of my cars when I was young and dumb would do that if I was going 90+mph on the highway, but just cracking a rear window while my drivers window was open fixed that. That really seems to be an issue with the car’s aerodynamics and speed, that doesn’t ever seem to happen unless a car is driving too fast or is boxy and poorly shaped.

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u/3-Midgets_In_A_Coat 7h ago

It’s going to happen with anything when you have the window cracked just the right amount.

It’s called Hemholtz Resonance. A small amount of air shears off and pumps into the car, which increases cabin pressure and then gets pushed back out the same window by the pressure change. This happens over and over and over until you do something to equalize pressure - like open another window.

Blow across the top of an open bottle and the same effect happens.

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u/ballsnbutt 56m ago

Flutes work on this principle

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u/ballsnbutt 57m ago

I drive rentals for a living. It depends on the vehicle. Mazda Speed 3 is SO bad with this, but a Civic will be fine. You can tell how bad your ears will pop by how warbly the air is when only one is cracked. I find the best mitigation is to have it barely cracked, or as you said, crack another window just a bit

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u/BrainSqueezins 7h ago

The logistics of stocking parts for both options makes it problematic, too.

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u/No_Plum_3737 7h ago

The upcoming no-frills Slate truck is doing hand windows as a statement - maybe it saves a few bucks maybe not

https://www.motortrend.com/news/slate-auto-truck-crank-windows

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u/Skittlebrau46 7h ago

It’s not only about cost. It’s simple. Less wires, less sensors, less switches, less fuses, less parts, less… everything.

Cost wasn’t their only design factor. It was about making things simpler, with less part counts, and less things that can go wrong.

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u/AbjectAppointment 5h ago

Lotus went from crank to electric on the Elise because it was lighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0jXhOmL7Xg

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u/usafonz 4h ago

unfortunately someone got rid of the ev tax incentive so they will cost damn near 30 grand. Not to mention no awd or 4x4.

nah im good.

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u/dazed-confused-1993 1h ago

Wait this truck is an EV but has hand cranked windows? What the actual fuck...

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u/ImaginaryFriends_ 1h ago edited 1h ago

Slate is a scam. It’s larping as back to basics. They’re not even giving you a radio in the base when it costs almost nothing to put one in, but then they can give you AC in the base price which is more expensive to manufacture? You can get a Ford Maverick for slightly more, with better quality and capability of a truck with access to dealers and repair centers that aren’t 700 miles away from you. It’s so much less of a headache. It’s what sucked about Tesla for years as they started. Not to forget residual values. People regardless of what they claim, do not keep their vehicles long. These niche manufacturers get killed on that, plus it’s an EV. Factor value into ownership and the state is more expensive to own than the maverick almost off the lot.

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u/gapball 57m ago

It boasts doing everything cheap and costs more than a brand new Ford Maverick so.... larp

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u/ballsnbutt 55m ago

It's literally an EV though. Fix one thing aesthetically to make a statement but throw 400 computers under the car to control the thing.

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u/watchutalkinbowt 7h ago edited 7h ago

Also if you're driving by yourself electric windows can be opened/closed without leaning/pulling over

iirc there was a car with an electric mirror on the far door, but the driver's one was manual (want to say it was a Merc)

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u/mobilecabinworks 8h ago

also changes to the assemble lines

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u/turtlebeachbum 7h ago

Jeep JL/JLU still have manual windows on their lowest trim model (Sport), unless they stopped in the last year or two, my 2020 JLU are manual.

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u/WhovianScaper 7h ago

In 2015 the Nissan Versa was available with crank windows and a stick shift. One of, if not the Most inexpensive car on the market at the time.

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u/Sausagethrower 7h ago

One of the other reasons is manufacturing costs, if you have a cheap winder version and a higher spec with electric you need different door cards, injection moulding tooling, training, warehouse space, mechanisms, suppliers/supply chain and hundreds of other things. If all models use the same part it’s much cheaper!

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u/Ok_Degree3037 6h ago

You can still get crank windows on Wranglers and work trucks.

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u/unfaehik 5h ago

Well, the Dacia Spring (their small electric model) has crank windows in its base configuration for front and back. The mid-price configuration has electric windows in the front and crank windows in the back. At least last years version did, haven’t looked at the newest one that was just released.