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SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/burge4150 9h ago edited 3h ago

I think there's room in the market for a back to basics car company that takes out all this bs, goes back to crank windows and all that crap and sells new vehicles for an affordable cost with a good warranty.

It would probably crush today.

Edit: I got like 400 responses saying "slate" ok I get it you can stop

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u/AdSquare3489 9h ago

Look at Dacia in Europe, they are exactly that. Maybe not crank windows, not sure. 

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u/Bub_bele 8h ago

I‘d guess electrical windows are maybe even cheaper nowadays

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u/Turbulent_Gazelle530 8h ago

the reason crank windows are no longer even an option is because any changes to the cockpit require extensive testing of airbags and restraint systems in order to ensure that the handle sticking out of the door doesn't interfere. it's not cost effective to have both options.

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u/LIONLDN 8h ago

I didn't think of that, brilliant point, makes sense! 💯

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u/DeliciousIncident 3h ago

That's actually a magnificent observation. This is not only an indication of a keen eye, but a trained brilliant mind as well. 💯

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u/yay4chardonnay 7h ago

Plus they’d rather design cars so your eardrums are sucked out of your head when a passenger cracks a window.

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u/PiDigitsOfPi 7h ago

That has nothing to do with cranks vs electric though

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u/Electronic_Still2000 7h ago

At what speed is that an issue in your car? I know one of my cars when I was young and dumb would do that if I was going 90+mph on the highway, but just cracking a rear window while my drivers window was open fixed that. That really seems to be an issue with the car’s aerodynamics and speed, that doesn’t ever seem to happen unless a car is driving too fast or is boxy and poorly shaped.

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u/3-Midgets_In_A_Coat 7h ago

It’s going to happen with anything when you have the window cracked just the right amount.

It’s called Hemholtz Resonance. A small amount of air shears off and pumps into the car, which increases cabin pressure and then gets pushed back out the same window by the pressure change. This happens over and over and over until you do something to equalize pressure - like open another window.

Blow across the top of an open bottle and the same effect happens.

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u/ballsnbutt 58m ago

Flutes work on this principle

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u/ballsnbutt 59m ago

I drive rentals for a living. It depends on the vehicle. Mazda Speed 3 is SO bad with this, but a Civic will be fine. You can tell how bad your ears will pop by how warbly the air is when only one is cracked. I find the best mitigation is to have it barely cracked, or as you said, crack another window just a bit

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u/BrainSqueezins 7h ago

The logistics of stocking parts for both options makes it problematic, too.

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u/No_Plum_3737 8h ago

The upcoming no-frills Slate truck is doing hand windows as a statement - maybe it saves a few bucks maybe not

https://www.motortrend.com/news/slate-auto-truck-crank-windows

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u/Skittlebrau46 7h ago

It’s not only about cost. It’s simple. Less wires, less sensors, less switches, less fuses, less parts, less… everything.

Cost wasn’t their only design factor. It was about making things simpler, with less part counts, and less things that can go wrong.

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u/AbjectAppointment 5h ago

Lotus went from crank to electric on the Elise because it was lighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0jXhOmL7Xg

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u/usafonz 4h ago

unfortunately someone got rid of the ev tax incentive so they will cost damn near 30 grand. Not to mention no awd or 4x4.

nah im good.

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u/dazed-confused-1993 1h ago

Wait this truck is an EV but has hand cranked windows? What the actual fuck...

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u/ImaginaryFriends_ 1h ago edited 1h ago

Slate is a scam. It’s larping as back to basics. They’re not even giving you a radio in the base when it costs almost nothing to put one in, but then they can give you AC in the base price which is more expensive to manufacture? You can get a Ford Maverick for slightly more, with better quality and capability of a truck with access to dealers and repair centers that aren’t 700 miles away from you. It’s so much less of a headache. It’s what sucked about Tesla for years as they started. Not to forget residual values. People regardless of what they claim, do not keep their vehicles long. These niche manufacturers get killed on that, plus it’s an EV. Factor value into ownership and the state is more expensive to own than the maverick almost off the lot.

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u/gapball 59m ago

It boasts doing everything cheap and costs more than a brand new Ford Maverick so.... larp

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u/ballsnbutt 57m ago

It's literally an EV though. Fix one thing aesthetically to make a statement but throw 400 computers under the car to control the thing.

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u/watchutalkinbowt 7h ago edited 7h ago

Also if you're driving by yourself electric windows can be opened/closed without leaning/pulling over

iirc there was a car with an electric mirror on the far door, but the driver's one was manual (want to say it was a Merc)

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u/mobilecabinworks 8h ago

also changes to the assemble lines

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u/turtlebeachbum 7h ago

Jeep JL/JLU still have manual windows on their lowest trim model (Sport), unless they stopped in the last year or two, my 2020 JLU are manual.

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u/WhovianScaper 7h ago

In 2015 the Nissan Versa was available with crank windows and a stick shift. One of, if not the Most inexpensive car on the market at the time.

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u/Sausagethrower 7h ago

One of the other reasons is manufacturing costs, if you have a cheap winder version and a higher spec with electric you need different door cards, injection moulding tooling, training, warehouse space, mechanisms, suppliers/supply chain and hundreds of other things. If all models use the same part it’s much cheaper!

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u/Ok_Degree3037 6h ago

You can still get crank windows on Wranglers and work trucks.

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u/unfaehik 5h ago

Well, the Dacia Spring (their small electric model) has crank windows in its base configuration for front and back. The mid-price configuration has electric windows in the front and crank windows in the back. At least last years version did, haven’t looked at the newest one that was just released.

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u/PioneerTurtle 8h ago

That's the point tho... a touchscreen is cheaper than an interface of buttons. You write some software and mass produce 1 screen. It's cheaper than the buttons

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u/Bub_bele 6h ago

sadly yes. I like buttons

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u/fatpat 4h ago

Exactly. Fancy schmancy tech can 'evolve' all it wants, but our bodies cannot. We still have hands and fingers. We like to touch and manipulate and move physical buttons, knobs, sliders, etc. especially when driving.

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u/DubiousBrushwagg 3h ago edited 3h ago

Tactile feedback is important if you want to work controls without having to look away from the road.

When you can navigate your dash and center console by feel, you won't have to look away. Touchscreens make that entirely impossible because there is no positional feedback for the brain unless you look. Once you're past the edge of the screen, everything feels the same.

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u/ballsnbutt 56m ago

"We'll just put ALL your controls om your steering wheel and make them shitty microwave touch buttons" 🙄😂

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u/Kevin_Xland 2h ago

Yup put in 1 screen and add tons of software to justify your price hikes. The software isn't really responsible for the price hikes it's just a nice excuse they can justify it with

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u/Dracomortua 8h ago

It would be very expensive to have a lower make of car with the hand crank in it. And the electrical crap is super cheap now, so you are certainly correct.

https://insideevs.com/features/761423/byd-seagull-drive-in-china/

It is weird that China can make a car for $8k USD. And Tesla, here in Canada, dropped their prices by $20k because it made very little sense to buy them here.

https://electrek.co/2025/07/11/tesla-slashes-prices-canada-despite-tariffs-sales-zero/

A lot going on here that i do not understand.

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u/techdevjp 2h ago

And Tesla, here in Canada, dropped their prices by $20k because it made very little sense to buy them here.

Canadians stopped buying swasticars for rather obvious reasons.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 8h ago

i actually have zero clue how an electric motor on a gear would be cheaper than a hand crank on a gear but possibly? maybe to manufacture the actual handle crank would cost money but still that would be the only thing that would possibly be original. motors are inexpensive and so is a switch but i genuinely cannot see how a hand crank could possibly cost more.

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u/MR-Freemon 8h ago

Hand cranks have to be quite durable seeing as they must not rip if children pull on them with full force, suitcases fall on them from the backseat or whatever. The electric motor needs to deliver the exact same fixed force every time. Electric motors bought in large quantities by a car manufacturer are basically a few cents each (might be exaggerated but the cost is literally nothing on the car scale) 

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u/flyinchipmunk5 7h ago

True but I mean still just a mechanical arm and gear set sounds way simpler than designing a whole motor bracket and where the switch goes. I do believe it’s probably so cheep it doesn’t matter but I’m struggling to see how it would be cheaper than a hand crank unless the crank itself is just that much more expensive.

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u/Bocklebee 5h ago edited 5h ago

It wouldn't be cheaper strictly in manufacturing costs of the final parts. But the upfront costs of potentially having to retool a line to make manual crank components, R&D to design or integrate/update a manual window system, as well as potentially design and manufacture a separate door trim, as well as crash impact testing for door panels and interior components would mean that they would have to sell a lot of manual crank windows to offset the initial upfront costs and the demand for manual windows isn't high enough to reliably recoup those costs, so manufactures have stopped offering it.

In terms of numbers it is likely in the neighborhood of $10 cheaper per window system in final manufacturing costs, and they would potentially be trying to recuperate hundreds of thousands or even millions in upfront costs.

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u/nitkonigdje 2h ago

You are overthinking this. The design is same for both options. It is just an issue of having parts installed or not.

The price difference from manufacturing pov is probably close enough that car companies are unwilling to offer lower priced option.

If it costs manufacturer $50 to have electric windows it probably makes no economic sense to offer cranks as an option.

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u/Bub_bele 6h ago

Standardisation. As you said motors like those used for windows are dirt cheap especially in numbers. The small pcb for the buttons costs next to nothing aswell. There is no standard provider of handcranks and the rest of the manual mechanism, atleast not anymore. So there’s definitely a lot of additional up-front cost for making the new handcranks instead of electric windows. But that’s just my guess.

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u/HarithBK 8h ago

not cheaper but cheap enough that the cost of having to have 2 SKUs isn't worth the savings of offering hand cranks.