r/China • • 4h ago

历史 | History Philip Short writes that there is "no reason to think" China under Chiang Kai-shek's successors would wish to act significantly differently from China under Mao's heirs. What do you make of this comparison?

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In the afterword to Mao: The Man Who Made China (I.B. Tauris, 2017), Philip Short writes the following about Mao's and Chiang Kai-shek's competing visions for China (pp. 673–674):

As for the conflicting visions of China’s future pursued by Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, one may legitimately wonder how much difference it would really have made, in the long sweep of history, if Chiang rather than Mao had won in 1949. Rana Mitter, an Oxford don whose thinking is representative of the younger generation of China scholars, has pointed out: ‘Both the nationalists and the communists wanted to establish a politically independent state, with a government that penetrated throughout society, and a population that was stable, healthy and economically productive ... However [neither] was seeking to establish what the West, and particularly the United States, would regard as a democracy: a liberal, multi-party regime with significant civil liberties.’ Indeed both explicitly rejected it. In a passage which remains relevant to American policy today, Bai Chongxi, the Guangxi warlord who in 1934 had allowed the Long Marchers to cross his territory to reach safety in the south-west, and who, ten years later, became one of Chiang’s key commanders, wrote in his memoirs in the late 1970s, long before there was talk of ‘regime change’ and ‘exporting democracy’ in Washington: ‘The big mistake that America often makes is to force their model of democracy on other countries’.

Mao’s victory was viewed at the time as a grave setback for America’s strategic goal of establishing a democratic or at least neutral China on the Soviet Union’s southern border. Yet the ‘loss’ of China to communism did not prevent the United States becoming the world’s dominant power. Nor did US support for Chiang’s rump state in Taiwan make it a democracy: that did not happen until long after the Generalissimo’s death. Had Chiang defeated Mao, would he have been able to unify and develop China as effectively as his communist rival? In Pankaj Mishra’s words: Would China without Mao have found the political basis for its current prosperity? That is open to debate. In any case, the challenge to the West posed by Xi Jinping’s China today is not communist but nationalist. There is no reason to think that a mainland China ruled by Chiang Kai-shek’s successors would wish to act significantly differently from that now ruled by Mao’s heirs.[71]

Note 71 (p. 800):

Jay Taylor has speculated that, were Chiang alive today, he would see the current Chinese leaders as ‘modern neo-Confucianists’ like himself, with the same goals for China that he would have adopted had he been in a position to do so (The Generalissimo, p. 592). The implication is that Mao’s successors have succeeded in implementing Chiang’s vision where the Generalissimo himself failed. If one accepts Taylor’s premise – which I find debatable – it can be interpreted either way: as showing that Chiang’s ideas have triumphed (‘lost the battle but won the war’); or as vindicating the system Mao founded which has put those ideas into effect (‘game, set and match’).

What do you make of Taylor's idea? If you accept it, does that suggest a triumph for Chiang's vision, a vindication of Mao's system, both, or neither?


r/China • • 19h ago

政治 | Politics If the rumors of Xi's health deteriorating are true, who would likely take his place in the event he suddenly becomes incapacitated?

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r/China • • 13h ago

问题 | General Question (Serious) Using google drive in china with a Laptop

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I was looking forward on going to china this summer but my business runs with google drive, I need to know or talk to someone that had my situation before so I can see if using eSIM or VPN works fine.


r/China • • 6h ago

语言 | Language Chinese Language

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How do Chinese people remember so many Chinese characters (Hanzi)?

In English, someone can misspell a word.

What if someone draws an incorrect Chinese character - like just 1 extra stroke?

What if someone forgot the Chinese characters they once knew?


r/China • • 7h ago

旅游 | Travel Tech Tour of Shenzhen/Guangzhou ?

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Heading to China in a few weeks. Everyone in the party of 3 is interested in tech - not surprising given we live in the Bay Area,

Anyone know of any tours or tour guides that can show us various aspects of Chinese tech?

TIA.


r/China • • 8h ago

问题 | General Question (Serious) What is this scam?

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I keep getting these emails sent to me, apparently based on my LinkedIn profile. What is their angle? I replied to one like this and it just went on and on.

Hi XXX,
I came across your profile on LinkedIn and hope you don’t mind me reaching out. My name is Aurelia Zheng. I’m originally from Chongqing and have been living in the U.S. for many years now. I’ve been running a business here for many years.

As my parents are getting older, I’ve started thinking more seriously about where they might feel comfortable living if they eventually move closer to me. I’m especially interested in quieter communities where healthcare, grocery shopping, transportation, and everyday life are convenient for older people.

I thought you might have a perspective that’s difficult to get from websites alone. If you were choosing a place for your own parents, what would matter most to you? Are there any communities in your area that you think are particularly comfortable for older people?

I know this is a little random, but I’d really appreciate any thoughts you’re willing to share. No worries at all if you’re busy. If I’m ever in your area, I’d be happy to buy you a coffee.
Best regards,

r/China • • 17h ago

旅游 | Travel Itinerary for a first time visitor

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Hey guys :)

I am planning on travelling to China for three weeks between October 15th, 2027, and November 5th, 2027. As I have to let my boss know by Wednesday when I want to take time off next year, I would love to know what you guys think of China during this time of year. Or should I go at a different time? I don't like heat all that much and I want to avoid tourist season.

My itinerary:
Shanghai: 5 nights (with a day trip to Suzhou) Zhangjiajie: 4 nights
Chongqing: 3 nights
XiAn: 3 nights
Beijing: 5 nights

As for my itinerary: do you guys think this is sensible, or is it too packed? My goal is to do a bit of everything: see the nature, visit some historical sights, go shopping, and see the cool city lights. I am not sure if adding Chongqing would be too ambitious... I am nervous that I will be spending all of my time on trains and planes.

Thank you so much for your help!


r/China • • 22h ago

旅游 | Travel China itinerary during CNY 2027: Dandong detour or Beijing?

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Hi everyone,

I’m planning a China trip from Feb 1–18, 2027, flying in and out of Shanghai. I’m aware this is right around Chinese New Year/Chunyun, so I’m wondering how realistic my itinerary is, especially regarding train travel.

I’m currently considering two options:

  • Shanghai → Dandong (North Korean border + Hushan Great Wall) → Shenyang → Shenzhen → Guangzhou → Shanghai
  • Shanghai → Beijing (Great Wall, preferably a less touristy section) → Shenzhen → Guangzhou → Shanghai

I’ve been to Beijing before, but only briefly. I’d like to travel mostly by high-speed train where practical.

Is the Dandong detour worth the considerable extra travel time, or would you recommend Option 2? And how worried should I be about getting train tickets during this period, particularly for the return from Guangzhou/Shenzhen to Shanghai?

Any suggestions for improving either route would be very welcome. Thanks!


r/China • • 4h ago

历史 | History Looking for book recommendations for a self-made “Introduction to Chinese History” lecture series

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I'm interested in putting together a personal lecture series on the history of China, mainly because I've noticed there are a lot of great university-level lecture series on YouTube for things like Indian history, European history, etc., but I haven't found quite as many good, comprehensive ones on Chinese history.

I'm not a scholar of Chinese history, so I'm not trying to make an ultra-academic course or pretend to be an expert. But I would like to do a reasonably serious job and base it on good, reputable scholarship rather than just putting together a bunch of Wikipedia-level material.

My initial idea is to make something along the lines of 10–15 lectures, around 30–60 minutes each, covering the broad history of China. Eventually I'd probably split it into something like:

  • Part I: Ancient/Imperial China
  • Part II: Modern China

For now, though, I mainly want to focus on ancient and imperial China, from the earliest periods through the end of the imperial system.

So I'm looking for recommendations for:

  1. Good general histories of China that could serve as the backbone of the course.
  2. Books on specific periods/dynasties that would be useful for going deeper where necessary.
  3. Any particularly good university lecture series, courses, documentaries, or other resources that you think are worth using.
  4. If there are any books that are particularly good for someone who wants a broad chronological overview without getting completely buried in academic detail, I'd especially appreciate those.

I'm basically trying to find the equivalent of a good “Chinese History 101” textbook/course that I can use as a starting point, then supplement with more specialized works when I get to individual dynasties.

I'd be especially interested in hearing what historians/China-history nerds would consider the best starting point, and also what books/resources I should avoid because they're outdated or unreliable.

Thanks!


r/China • • 14h ago

中国生活 | Life in China Trying to make new friends from SH,CN

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Im 17F living in Shanghai, puxi area currently taking a gap year. Born and raised here and I wanna talk to more ppl in order to practice my questionable English and just hang out. Just for information, im currently trying to get my IELTS cuz I’ll probably go Malaysia for my uni, it would be really nice if I can talk to people from SEA (also don’t worry abt accent I speak some singlish as well and no trouble talking to Malaysians)
If u r China Chinese very welcome also!!!!!

I play a bit games from steam, but mostly just mobile games like valorant mobile. When I really got nothing to do I doodle and can play piano/guitar. But I smoke so if u r concerned I might not be the one for u lol

Please be roughly my age, I wanna talk to more highschoolers/ exchange students, I would say I don’t have a big problem in communicating and im also willing to help u for Chinese stuff cuz im very independent myself haha (like how to go hospital all alone, sign up for memberships, where to find nice food etc)
DO NOT dm me if u r above 20, im not being rude, it just will turn out weird. :)


r/China • • 23h ago

咨询 | Seeking Advice (Serious) Foreign Master's grads in China: did you manage to stay and work, or did you have to go home?

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Hi everyone, hope you're all doing well.

I'm currently learning Mandarin at a language institute and will take the HSK 1 in January. My plan is to do a Master's in China, but before committing several years (and a serious amount of money) to it, I want to understand what really happens after graduation.

My core question: as a foreigner with a Master's from a Chinese university, can I realistically find a job and stay in China? Or are opportunities so scarce that most people end up going home feeling like the degree led nowhere?

So I'd love to hear how it works in real life:

  1. If you studied in China as a foreigner, what happened after you graduated? Did you stay, how long did the job hunt take, and how did you land your first offer?

  2. Which industries and roles are actually open to foreign grads right now, and what starting salary is realistic? Since I'm not a native English speaker, I assume teaching English is off the table. Is that right?

  3. What Chinese level do employers really expect? Is HSK 5 or 6 the real threshold, or does it depend on the role?

  4. How much do the university, the field of study and the city matter? Is it noticeably easier in Shanghai, Shenzhen or Guangzhou?

  5. Are companies generally willing to sponsor a fresh graduate's work permit, or do many of them (especially smaller ones) avoid the paperwork?

  6. If staying doesn't work out, how much is a Chinese Master's plus good Mandarin worth back home or elsewhere, for example with Chinese companies operating in North Africa or the Middle East?

Personal stories, including the ones that didn't go well, would help me far more than a general "it depends." And if you were in my shoes today, what would you do differently?

Thanks a lot for your time!


r/China • • 12h ago

历史 | History Ethnic groups with closest genetic proximity to han chinese

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My impression of non han ethnic groups that are closest genetic distance and overlapping to modern han chinese

1st Mongols: though Mongols or proto mongols were not chinese or had common ancestor as chinese due to probqble siberia north asia origins, years of invasions, raids and genetic mixing made them closely related to han chinese, especially northern ones

2nd manchus: Manchus and han chinese were closely related due to Qing conquest and racial mixing between three two and han settlement in China. Manchu were almost assimilated by han chinese when qing dynasty ended.

3rd koreans: Koreans were a controversial bunch , but cultural and political exchange made the two have very close overlaps. Might not have common ancestor but O haplogroup is there.

4th tibetian: same common ancestor as han chinese, sino tibetian, but they were isolated in pockets due to geography, so there was little mixing except qiang tribes and chinese.

5th vietnam; we invaded Vietnam and they had their alot of indepence, Yue tribes etc so we are somewhat related to them

6th japansese: we probably had a common ancestors with them, but they were isolated on their own island and fighting among themselves , so we had little mixing.

Least overlap and greatest distance, uyghurs.

If you disagree with my hypothesis, what ranking would you put other ethnic groups in genetic overlap and distance with han?


r/China • • 14h ago

国际关系 | Intl Relations How is China a global south country?

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From the looks of it, China is pretty developed, i'd say even more the United States. and USA is a global north country because of its high economic and developed state, but i see that there are still homeless people camping out in tents, many hoods underground still exists. and comparatively, i agree china also has poverty but it doesn't erase the fact that USA also has significant poverty. Why so?


r/China • • 17h ago

历史 | History 为什么中国不能像苏联、欧洲那样,不同省或者区域最终分解成不同的国家?

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r/China • • 6h ago

谈恋爱 | Dating and Relationships Dating scene for yong people

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How is the dating scene for foreigner in china ?
I coming from France and will study in guangzhou for 6 mouth.
How is the culture ? Are girl fine ? Any tips ?