r/vegan • u/Sincerely_Yours666 • 20h ago
Food Wine can be not vegan
Hello all!
Just wanted to share for those who didn’t know this.
Apparently, wine can be not vegan, as they can use gelatine for its production!
I learnt this during my winery visit.
So be careful and buy bottles which are labeled as vegan.
As for me, I had no idea that gelatine can be used even in wine production 🍷 😥
Edit:
I didn’t mean that ALL WINE IS NOT VEGAN, I meant that SOME WINE can be NOT VEGAN.
!! Can be not vegan≠cannot be vegan !!
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u/asomek vegan chef 19h ago
You should actually frame it the other way:
Only some wine is vegan. The majority of wine is not vegan.
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u/kennethsime 5h ago
Yeah my dyslexic ass read “wine can not be vegan” instead of “wine can be not vegan”.
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u/S2K2Partners 19h ago edited 19h ago
Actually, most 'cheaper' red wines are not vegan.
Personally, I use $75/bottle and under as my cutoff for not asking, usually I contact the producers to verify if over this $ amount and use an app such as Barnivore and a few others to find out if vegan produced or not.
Cheers
eta: there are foods many vegans eat, that are known to vegan without the label, same for wine, as such a quick email or phone call to confirm is the best reasonable route.
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 16h ago
That’s not how it works.
Wine is vegan based on whether it is fine wine or not, and what they use to fine the wine. The “fine” part is them using various things like casein, egg shells, isinglass, gelatin, or animal-free filtration methods as well to remove impurities and little chunks and specks from the wine. It is also said to kinda take away some flavor too. Unfine wine would not be filtered through these animal products.
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u/S2K2Partners 14h ago
Thank you for the education on wine and its' processing.
My bad for not going into more depth and detail, as you have, on how to know how wine is produced, fined and bottled.
Yet, I choose to let you educate the readers of this post on how it works and why it works and etc. as it is best coming from a top poster after all.
The penultimate question to wineries when one is trying to determine if their wine is vegan (friendly) or not: How and what is the process of fining your wine, if you do fine it?
Barnivore is a good source to determine if a wine is vegan or not, they or members ask these questions upfront and then re-verify a few years later if the information is still correct.
That's all I got for this... thank you
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u/InDaBauhaus vegan 9+ years 17h ago
what do you mean by the "$75 cutoff"? is it that it's too cheap of a wine for you to really care if it's vegan, so you just don't buy it without checking? what if it's good wine?
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u/S2K2Partners 14h ago
Most wines, IME, over $75 are not fined at all, they are bottled out of the vat.
Then again, I will email or call if it is a vintner I Am not familiar with to verify if the wine has been fined.
There are a few vintners who use non-animal products to fine their wine as well...
Cheers
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u/asomek vegan chef 19h ago
You sound insufferable.
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u/S2K2Partners 19h ago
Actually not, because I choose to verify that something is vegan before consuming or buying it?
If that is what you and the other down voters believe, so be it. I take my responsibility to know what I consume is in fact vegan seriously.
One thing I can guarantee is, no one will ever see a posting from me complaining about not knowing something that I personally purchased was not vegan.
Yes, there are some fraudsters out there, if I Am not sure, I take a hard pass on consumption, others do not and that can cause whine.
Cheers
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u/PeanutButtaRunna 18h ago
I buy wine for cellaring too and also email producers if I can’t find the information already available online. In my experience about 50% will proudly tell you their wines are all vegan and the rest tend not to respond (which I take as a no).
I think it’s important even with the ones who don’t respond it’s a really non confrontational subtle way to shown there is a demand for vegan wines and who knows maybe it plants a seed in their head.
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u/S2K2Partners 14h ago
I concur and as well, if I find that the vegan wine if good on several different levels I will buy a case and bring them to parties and as gifts for friends who are not as demanding on a wines processing as I Am... through no fault of their own, essentially.
I find that the bottles I have cellared have aged well and quite a few are ready to drink... unfortunately, I do not have many people who can appreciate the process and value in it... they drink to drink and even in a pinch Boone's Farm will work for them! LOL
Cheers
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u/Playful_Newspaper280 19h ago
I live in a. Wine producing area and while gelotine and fish was commonly used, more and more wine farms use an oxygen filtering process due to it being cheaper.
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u/PeanutButtaRunna 18h ago
Yes I had the same conversation with a wine producer friend who said that it saves them money to use bentonite over gelatine or fish, the only producers that don’t it comes down to “this is the way my father did it and his father before him etc etc” sentiment.
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u/Sincerely_Yours666 19h ago
That’s great to hear that it has been changing. The winery I have been to said that their all production is vegan too
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u/BoredSheep01 14h ago
Then why did you say wine can't be vegan?
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u/Sincerely_Yours666 14h ago
I didn’t say that it cannot be vegan.
I said it can be NOT VEGAN=possibility that it might be NOT VEGAN.
I didn’t say or mean that ALL wine is not vegan at all.6
u/BoredSheep01 14h ago
Oh my bad I totally misread that !
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u/late2thepauly 10h ago
Don’t beat yourself up. The title is weirdly worded.
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u/Sincerely_Yours666 1h ago edited 1h ago
Oh, I am SO sorry that English is not my first language and that I couldn’t please everyone here (including you) with the wording of the post! 🥰💕🙏
People on the internet will always have something to pick and will focus on wording rather than the actual meaning.
Instead of taking a moment to read carefully and understand the point, they would rather blame everyone else for their own lack of attention and then turn toxic in the comments.
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u/HaveyGoodyear 20h ago
They also sometimes use fish swim bladders as a kind of filter. Same for beer.
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u/qerecoxazade 19h ago
This one's largely misunderstood, and was more true a decade ago than it is today.
You're talking about isinglass. It's not a filter, it's a fining agent. Collagen carries a positive charge. And Isinglass is basically pure collagen. So when it's added to a product, negatively charged particles bind to it and drop out of solution.
A little less than a decade ago, the price of Isinglass started to go through the roof again (the preferred fish for Isinglass has changed a couple of times throughout history due to targeted overfishing, and it was happening again). Guinness, who traditionally uses Isinglass, spent a ton of time and money on fining agents to look for an analogue. They found a vegan source of collagen that performed BETTER than isinglass and was CHEAPER. In the last decade, vegan collagen has almost entirely replaced isinglass.
But even ignoring all of that, Isinglass went out of favor decades ago. It was a technique used by British and Irish breweries, and only really stuck around in breweries from those areas OR American breweries trying to market themselves as a traditional English/Scottish/Irish brewery. And these virtually vanished after the 90s craft beer crash.
Today, brewers use a lot of whirlflock (Irish moss) and Clarityfirm (an enzymatic fining agent). These are cheaper, more effective, require less volume, and are widely available from the same companies that sell us our yeast.
Wine is a little sketchier on the isinglass/gelatine front. But it's still something that's more concentrated in wineries hanging onto specific regional traditions. Egg whites and casein are sometimes used as well... But allergen labeling laws have made these more visible, and therefore less likely to be used.
I can also tell you from experience... Most vegan beer/wine will not be labeled as vegan. It costs extra money and time to put that label on, even when you've used no animal products in your setup. And it returns virtually zero value, sometimes even decreasing sales.
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u/SoupNoSandwich 19h ago
This is so interesting, thank you for sharing. I just go by labelling and barnivore, didn't realise so much had changed
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u/Inwre845 16h ago
Decreasing sales ? Do some consumers see "vegan" on a product and it turns them off ?
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u/purplishmonsters vegan 30+ years 16h ago
Yes, sadly it does. I have family members who would avoid eating fruit if it was labeled "vegan", not thinking about the fact that all fruit is vegan. They think vegan means it's weird.
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u/Ppossum_ 14h ago
Yeah, it's crazy to me when flesh eaters act like we are the ones with such a sad and limited diet when so many of them they don't know what food is if it's not meat covered in cheese.
I have seen so many people on the SAD who think I'm limiting myself so harshly, but they go out to any restaurant and order steak, wings, or a burger every time. They have no idea the diversity of food they are limiting themselves from, but think that just because they eat "whatever they want" they're eating with such freedom. They tell on themselves when the first thing they say is "If you don't eat animal products, then what do you eat?" As if 99% of foods that humans can safely eat aren't plants. It's genuinely really sad, no wonder so many Americans get heart disease and cancer. We didn't evolve to eat nothing but meat and cheese for every meal, but that's most of the standard American diet.
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u/Parlayv 15h ago
not all fruit is vegan. sometimes it can be coated with beeswax or lac. https://www.theguardian.com/food/2022/aug/22/forbidden-fruit-why-vegans-are-up-in-arms-over-tescos-oranges-and-lemons
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u/Ppossum_ 14h ago
All fruits are vegan, but fertilizers, pesticides, and coatings frequently uses on them often aren't. It's an important distinction because, out of that particular context, saying fruit isn't vegan sounds ridiculously silly.
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u/Ppossum_ 14h ago
Yes, people actually hold a ton of prejudice for vegans. Basically any time a person is choosing not to do an unjust thing in an unjust society, the people doing unjust things panic because their entire framework for excusing their evils is pretending they are necessary, and our very existence proves it unnecessary.
This goes for far more than veganism. For example, society tells women they need to get married and have babies or they will end up being lonely, crazy, cat ladies, but they can only sell that lie if all the older single women can't speak out about how happy they actually are with that choice. The very existence of happy, single, childfree women is a threat to their mental framework that getting married and having babies is necessary for women to be happy, so they villainize single childless women in hopes that people take their propaganda over the reality. (Not saying anything about the justness of having kids or getting married, btw, just that forcing women into an assigned role is unjust and unnecessary).
I could probably sit here and come up with a hundred examples, as it's an extremely common phenomenon. I don't know if it has a name exactly, so if anyone recognizes this as a named tactic, please let me know what you call it.
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u/Inwre845 13h ago
Ohh that's interesting. I didn't think there was that much prejudice against veganism (I'm a rather new vegan).
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 16h ago
I wish they would at least make it discoverable that it is vegan. Gimme an FAQ on your website, or let me email your company and get an actual genuine response and not an AI-generated one made up of nonsense. It shouldn’t be this hard to find out if these products were used in the fining process. And many of these producers will still say the spiel about it could be made with these various animal products such as… and then list the different things that are sometimes used. Making it feel too risky to go for it.
I honestly just reserved myself to getting the same two brands of boxed wine every time that are marked vegan, the only 2, or I get one at Trader Joe’s that I specifically asked them to start carrying because the other ones they did carry weren’t vegan apparently.
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u/qerecoxazade 15h ago
Been in the industry for 18 years, and I don't really know what you're talking about. I have personally called and emailed a ton of breweries to ask about lactose, and have always gotten an answer.
We have to treat dietary restrictions like allergies. Whether it's medical, religious, or moral. "Does contain" and "may contain" are used for a reason. If we give you the "may contain" spiel, that's your answer. It's the only one we can legally give you.
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 14h ago
In what industry? I’m talking about as a regular average consumer. When I go to the liquor store or the grocery store, it’s not easy to figure out which alcohols are vegan, and I don’t really like having to email them ahead of time and wait for answers. I also don’t trust companies to give answers about that stuff, because most of the time it is a random agent who is providing a random answer. Like I don’t go to Starbucks anymore, but someone asked if their matcha powder was vegan and got told by support that it was not, even though it literally is. There are also even alcohols listed on Barnivore that show conflicting history where they were confirmed vegan or not able to be confirmed vegan back and forth. Not to mention a lot of stuff just simply isn’t on Barnivore. It’s honestly easier to search up brands beforehand and go find them rather than look at brands and look up if they’re vegan. But I just never remember which brands are or aren’t. Plenty of them are not vegan though.
I’m not talking about beer personally btw, I don’t really drink beer because it makes me feel full before it makes me tipsy.
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u/qerecoxazade 10h ago
Alcohol production. I was a vintner for 5 years and transitioned over the brewing. Got my certified cicerone about 12 years back, and have done most of it as vegetarian or vegan (I didn't go from a carnists to a vegan overnight).
You said "then do an FAQ or something". I have absolutely taken those phone calls, and I have absolutely given open and honest answers. When I say "I don't know what you're talking about", I'm saying that I haven't met brewers who hide these answers or are unwilling to give them.
When you're getting off of ingredients and into fining agents (which are used on the scale of single digit parts per million and are filtered out or decanted off of), you start getting into territory that Kosher, celiacs, and many allergens aren't even worried about.
Breweries saying "does contain" or "may contain" is about all you can expect in a world where giving a SLIGHTLY inaccurate (intentional or not) answer can result in lawsuits. But if you can get a brewery on the phone (by calling the brewery, not the corporate customer service line), you will almost always get more detail than that.
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u/Ppossum_ 14h ago
Personally why I prefer "may share equipment with x,y,z" rather than may contain. It gives a better description, albeit a bit wordier.
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u/Unlucky-Raccoon-7507 vegan 1+ years 19h ago
depends on the country though. All beer that is brewed in germany is vegan thanks to the "purity-law" that specifies under what circumstances and with which ingredients beer is to be brewed, else it is not allowed to have the name beer
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u/alipercapita 18h ago
There is still filtering. All big commercial beers are filtered (apart from some special brews like Kellerbier or Weißbier) and the filter is not specified in the purity law. But usually, Kieselgur is used, which is vegan.
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u/qerecoxazade 17h ago
This one's tricky and has some nuance.
The Reinheitsgebot absolutely banned adding anything other than barley, hops, and water (with some distinct exceptions made for the Bavarian throne). This absolutely included fining agents (things added to the beer or tank to help flocculation).
But in 1993, the Reinheitsgebot was replaced with the Vorläufiges Biergesetz. This finally added yeast as an acceptable ingredient for beer (yeast wasn't discovered until after the Reinheitsgebot was written), changed the wording from barley to malt, specified that wheat and rye malts were to be used for ales while maintaining that lagers required barley malt, added additional ways in which beer can be treated, and brought tax code into compliance with EU standards.
While the Vorläufiges Biergesetz DID allow fining agents to be used under certain circumstances... There was not a culture of using finings, and the practice is still basically unheard of in Germany. Especially among breweries that have existed prior to '93.
Filtering agents, on the other hand (media which beer is passed through for filtration) are common. Falling off, but common. Centrifugal and membrane filtering are largely preferred, as they have zero risk of modifying flavor or contaminating the beer. Germany is one of the largest and most prestigious producers of centrifugal beer filtration systems.
But yes, there is technically risk of a filtering agent that is nonvegan. Most use diatomaceous earth (Kieselgur) or carbon. But theoretically, bone char can be used. This is virtually nonexistent now, as bone char filtration systems need replacement every 20 years or so... And carbon systems are cheaper, more effective, and last longer.
There is also technically a risk of finding nonvegan finings. But again, this practice was almost universally rejected by German brewers... And is still considered fraud if done to a beer labeled "brewed in compliance with the Reinheitsgebot of 1516".
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u/FoldAltruistic1063 20h ago
You can buy vegan wine
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u/Sincerely_Yours666 20h ago
Yes, there is a wine which is labeled as “vegan”. Just didn’t know before that it can be otherwise :(
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u/Feds_the_Freds vegan 7+ years 19h ago
they would probably not lable it otherwise 😅
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u/denerose vegan 20+ years 18h ago
While you’re absolutely right in this instance, I’ve seen carrot sticks labeled vegan so 🤷♀️
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u/Feds_the_Freds vegan 7+ years 17h ago
lol. Well, I don't know what fucked up thing, some companies do to their carrots, there are nonvegan bananas or apples. So I'm always glad for a label even if I didn't think it was necessary.
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u/denerose vegan 20+ years 10h ago
Fair point. The world is so broken. I feel for OP. Being vegan can feel like a constant journey of “omg they do what” and everyone else just acting like that’s fine or normal.
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u/DragonSlayerC 17h ago
No, companies will put anything on their products for marketing even if it makes no sense. I once saw "gluten free" whole milk, even though cow milk wouldn't ever have gluten in the first place.
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u/Feds_the_Freds vegan 7+ years 16h ago
true, but with vegan, I feel, a lot of companies try to only do it when necessary, because a lot of people are crazy like that, when they see vegan, they won't buy...
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u/Ppossum_ 14h ago
😅 definitely not always my experience. Gotta love when cruises and whatnot to go out of their way to label all the fruit as vegetarian. Still never ran into fruit that contains meat, but someone felt it was necessary to slap on there.
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u/Feds_the_Freds vegan 7+ years 11h ago
I mean, apples could be made shiny with shellac or bananas could be made to have a longer shelf live with chitosan. So, not all useless. Though, not sure, if they would actually check for that on a cruise...
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u/patrick5054 20h ago
Yes Op said that
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u/FoldAltruistic1063 20h ago
I disagree
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u/Shushani vegan 10+ years 20h ago
Then your reading comprehension is bad and there’s nothing more to say.
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u/GreasyExamination 19h ago
Disagree with what? The pretty basic fact that its written in the post?
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u/FoldAltruistic1063 19h ago
OP was talking about buying the bottles I'm talking about the wine, very different
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u/Unlucky-Raccoon-7507 vegan 1+ years 19h ago
Is there a label on the bottle or on the wine directly,? thats the only time OP talked about the bottles
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u/1954planteater 18h ago
The website barnivore tells what alcoholic beverages are vegan.
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 16h ago
I know this is a good resource and everyone recommends it, but I really wish people would be honest that it’s an incomplete resource. Many beverages on there have out of date info, and many aren’t even listed on there at all. Plus, the website is not the most user friendly to navigate, so you end up struggling on your phone checking a bunch of different things you see trying to figure out if any of them are vegan options. I honestly hate using it but there’s literally nothing like it
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u/wiggibow 14h ago
I don't think a single craft beer I've ever tried to look up has actually been listed on that site. It's fine for the standard nationally available mainstream offerings when it comes to beer, but any sort of limited/seasonal release or offering from a smaller brewery just isn't going to be there. For my drinking habits it's entirely useless lol
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 14h ago
Yeah I don’t even drink beer. I use it for wines and spirits, and they’re both pretty incomplete lists on Barnivore. It’s basically all based on whether someone else has bothered to investigate with the company and share it with Barnivore or not.
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u/bean___ 19h ago edited 19h ago
Gelatin, isinglass (swim bladder), and albumin (egg white) are all common fining agents in beer and wine.
Since it's used to clarify the wine and is then filtered out, it isn't in the finished product, so they're not required to use an allergy warning or otherwise state it was used in the process. At least it isn't where I live, it could be required in other regions.
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u/wiggibow 14h ago
I know nothing about wine, but these are exceedingly uncommon in beer nowadays. The vast, vast majority of beer is vegan, and the non-vegan beers are generally self-evident, i.e. milk stouts, milkshake styles, and adjuncts like honey and lactose are generally clearly labeled.
Always worth double checking of course, but I've found chances are very high that any random beer you grab off the shelf is going to be vegan.
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u/lepraphobia 20h ago
So frustrating, right?!
barnivore.com is a lifesaver
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u/Sincerely_Yours666 20h ago
It is very frustrating to find this stuff in products you didn’t expect to have anything unwanted!
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u/Serplantprotector 20h ago
Meanwhile Jack Daniels uses wool in their production process. Sucks since that used to be my easy standard drink out because everywhere serves it.
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u/Striking_Incident_95 19h ago
What the.......HOW? Lol how and why do they need wool to make bourbon?
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u/Key-Demand-2569 19h ago
It’s just a large wool pad in the filtration process.
Don’t mean “just” in the sense that it’s okay, but in the sense that it’s not anything overly bizarre. Believe the logic is that it’s a natural mechanical filter, and as the people involved aren’t vegan they don’t really care to go out of their way for other options I guess.
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u/GarbanzoBenne vegan 20+ years 19h ago
Yeah it's quite frustrating. I don't drink anymore, but many years ago I tried winemaking at home and I couldn't even find wine kits that didn't include the isinglass.
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u/Free-Lychee-3024 vegan 17h ago
Lots of vegans dont know about this! Im glad that you made this post, spreading info like this is always useful especially for the people who just started their journey.
I personally consume alcohol from time to time. I only like Estrella Galicia (beer from spain) and is listed as vegan in barnivore so im good lol
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u/siobhanenator vegan 9+ years 20h ago
Yup I didn't figure this out until about 2 years in. Barnivore.com is very helpful!
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u/Jade_Rainwalker vegan 10+ years 20h ago
There's vegan wine, lots of them actually. :) I hate alcohol so I don't drink it but yeah.
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u/DW171 19h ago
"Isinglass" is a a clarifier used in a lot of beer and wine, and it's made from fish bladder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isinglass
My local liquor store has a vegan section, and clearly marked products. I love it.
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u/TopPsychological1424 vegan 19h ago
Yep make sure you check the ingredients yourself. Many waiters in restaurants don’t know that most wines, beers and other alcoholic drinks aren’t vegan.
Same goes for some sugars. Especially the white cane sugar often uses bone char to filter and make the sugar lighter. Only learned this recently.
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u/TheBookoftheVoid 14h ago
Vegan wine is vegan though. The main issue used to be isinglass, but it's expensive and vegan friendly analogues are much more common now.
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u/eastercat vegan 20+ years 10h ago
I tend to assume wine isn’t vegan unless they say otherwise
It made it easy for me as a beer drinker to have barnivore
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u/dogenthusiastt vegan 7+ years 19h ago
I recently had a helpful waiter remind me that vermouth is technically wine and is often not vegan, so be careful with cocktails too!
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u/Musikapparaten 18h ago
Wine can be vegan I sell it. You can use gelatin and fish protein but you don’t have to. More and more wine is vegan not cause they want to but because of newer methods. It has a pretty minuscule impact but I agree with that it’s good to buy wine labeled vegan.
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u/MonkeyMagic1968 18h ago
I am delighted to find that Jameson, my drink of choice, is vegan according to
https://www.barnivore.com/products/2931-jameson-irish-whiskey
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u/lilithdesade vegan 20+ years 12h ago
Fwiw its most common with white wines. Most tend not to be vegan. Beer is sometimes brewed with lactose especially with stouts. Barivore is handy to check for vegan alcohol.
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u/NSA_Chatbot vegan 10+ years 9h ago
I can get drunker than my doctor would like, by checking out barnivore.
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u/SmallRoastBean 9h ago
Egg and milk products are sometimes used to clarify the wine too. Where I live they must include this on the label.
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u/cheesydoritos04 1h ago
Also some beers aren’t because of filtration, ever wondered why ales taste like fish piss? It’s funny seeing the look on a non vegans face when they realise why alcohol isn’t vegan…
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u/sunrise_d vegan 19h ago
Sometimes they use egg whites. In Bordeaux, France the famous pastry, canelé, was created using the leftover egg yolks.
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u/Curious-Coyote-3949 16h ago
That’s false. There’s a lot of vegan wine
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u/Then-Principle2302 vegan 8+ years 16h ago
OP said wine can be not vegan. Not wine cannot be vegan.
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u/missesbun 16h ago
Lots of wine is vegan, it’s not standard to use animal products in the process anymore. You can use barnivore.com to find vegan wines.
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u/Huge-Win-8248 vegan newbie 15h ago
Not only that, but some wine makers (only small wine makers) still use horses for ploughing. (Those are less likely to use gelatin or fish, though.)
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u/Spottybelle vegan 10+ years 13h ago
red wine is much worse than white for this in my experience but yes always fo a quick google or check the bottle for the v first. Beer too, guinness for example is not vegan
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u/guitarah_ 12h ago
A heads up that Guinness formerly was not vegan, but now most varieties are vegan: https://www.barnivore.com/beer/26/guinness
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u/Spottybelle vegan 10+ years 12h ago edited 12h ago
damn… wish i’d googled that before i left scotland 😂😅
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u/The-Mandolinist 13h ago
This is where punctuation can be helpful.
Wine can be: not vegan. To which I say: no shit, Sherlock. And: only some wine is vegan, and the best way to guarantee it is to buy wine that states it is “vegan” on the label.
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u/saultba 10h ago
thats not how colons work
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u/The-Mandolinist 2h ago
You’re not wrong. But it can add clarity to the sentence if used like that. I’m not claiming grammatical accuracy. I was trying to find a way of making the opening sentence of the post less confusing without changing the original wording.
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 16h ago
I mean the benefit is it makes me feel good and have a good time. No one said it was healthy, and no one asked either. We are aware of the risks, but if we’re of age to drink it, we don’t need some rando on the internet preaching in all caps about it being dangerous.
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u/LegitimateSundae8460 14h ago
That is not a benefit. Alcohol consumption in the short term impairs balance, coordination, memory, and decision-making; it can also cause rapid heart rate. In the long term it is linked to over 200 negative health effects including cancers (breast, colorectal, liver, esophageal, mouth, and throat), organ damage (by way of liver diseases, heart disease, high blood pressure, and stroke), neurological effects (brain damage, dementia, depression, anxiety, and increased suicide risk), and a weakened immune system.
Stop defending alcohol consumption.
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 14h ago
That is a benefit to me, it helps me relax and have fun. I am aware there are negative health effects. I never said otherwise. But they claimed there was no benefit, and there is a benefit, for some it can help them have a good time. Admitting that doesn’t suddenly ignore all the adverse effects from it.
Stop telling people not to drink lol. I’m not defending alcohol consumption by saying the benefit I get when consuming it. I am pointing out that y’all have no right to ridicule people with blanket statements in this space about their alcohol consumption habits, it’s not relevant to the subreddit and it’s none of your business.
Maybe you should go preach in health subreddits instead of here?
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u/DesertBlooz 18h ago
Since we're all vegan for the animals....
Try saving the human animal that is yourself and STOP CONSUMING ALCOHOL!!!
The amount of land used to produce alcohol's ingredients is the 2nd largest waste of agricultural efforts - after animal agriculture, of course.
There are no health benefits to alcohol!
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u/Sincerely_Yours666 18h ago
It’s the personal choice of everyone. If you don’t drink hard and if you don’t drink every day there is nothing wrong with drinking sometimes on events or whatever.
Of course not to the extent when you feel horrific the next day.
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