Ruined by Technology
Got into a dumb 10 minute argument about whether the ACL and Achilles are the same thing or not. My idiot friend forgot to crop his screenshot before sending it to me...š¤¦
Who the fuck even thinks a screenshot of ChatGPT is convincing? I someone would send something like this, where I'd really "huh?", I would just ask ChatGPT myself, and get the real answer. Does that shit actually work?
mostly this. I'm no expert in ANYTHING, but I've caught LLM's (are they still large language models?) in enough blatant errors and falsehoods about things that I know there's zero reason to believe any information coming from it. Worse, it'll be convincing even when catastrophically wrong.
And when theyāre wrong and you correct them, theyāre like oh Iām sorry I wonāt do that again, hereās the updated info and they probably changed something else to be wrong
My boss suggested I use ai to do some research. I was trying to find the primary source that defined where we were allowed to to take a test sample from on a steel part. It can be confusing - the customer spec sheet references a spec, that spec references another spec, that spec says that unless specified otherwise you should follow generic rules per some other spec, the generic spec splits things into categories that are a little ambiguous with regards to your current application, etc.
So fuck it, lets see where we get with ai.
"Okay if you're looking for info on producing (very specific part that only a couple companies make) I can certainly help you out! You can do it this way __ based on what it says in ___"
Ok great, where is that stated in the spec?
"Chapter _ page _ of the 2023 spec."
That's an old version, I need the reference from the 2026 spec
"Okay, in the 2026 spec the reference is on page _ instead"
No it's not. I have the book open in front of me.
"Whoops you're absolutely right, in fact the information you're looking for is not in this spec at all, good catch! If you're looking for information about __ try looking in ___"
Jesus christ lmao. So yeah I gave up at that point. The worst part is that it doesn't just tell you when it doesn't know something until you force it. Because it doesn't know anything, it's just regurgitating bullshit because people want a comfy answer whether or not it's correct.
Yeah I had a similar experience trying to find a primary source. It just made up a paper in a medical journal. I couldn't find it and when I asked the AI for details it was like "oh well I just made that up to illustrate my point".
"The worse part is that it doesn't just tell you when it doesn't know something until you force it."
Saw am interview from an archeologist who pointed out the same thing. The AI isn't applicable to their work because people do not tend to answer questions online with "I don't know "
That's exactly the problem with AI: it makes shit up. And I don't mean just that it makes things up when it doesn't know; it actually doesn't know anything, and it's just guessing every single time.
LLMs are famous for "hallucinations", but technically, every answer is a hallucination. Every answer is produced with the same predictive algorithm that says "this token should come next". Some of those hallucinations happen to contain accurate information, but they're not coded to say "I don't know". You can browbeat than into saying "I don't know" if you call them out on being wrong enough times, but if you don't do that, they continually try and fail to produce a correct answer.
There are a couple of obscure things I've tried to find multiple times over the years, before and after the advent of modern "AI". LLMs continually give me wrong answers to these queries, verifiably wrong answers. When I say "that's wrong", they simply generate another wrong answer, over and over. Each time the answer sounds plausible; it looks like a correct answer, and will often have references. But when I look deeper, it's a complete fabrication (just like those fake court cases cited in AI-generated legal briefs that have gotten idiot lawyers in deep trouble).
They are now transitioning slowly to being LMMs or Large Multi-modal models, in other words instead of interacting with just words/text tokens like LLMs these actually are trained on images, audio, code, and text tokens too
I've literally had ChatGPT tell me you should buy high and sell low in stocks to make money. As like the typical thing to do. Literally goes against all money making sense but I could not get it to break free of it's delusion.
It doesn't matter, they still generate output that fits the statistical distribution they have learned. They don't consult a declarative memory store and retrieve correct information.
Now perhaps someone will invent as way to have them do that, but training bigger neural networks on larger datasets doesn't do that.
I remember one argument I had on Reddit, where someone insisted that Quebec was the only fortified city in Canada, and posted ChatGPT quotes as proof. As someone who once had a summer job involving working in one of the forts that encircled and defended Halifax, I begged to differ.
I was writing back in the winter how upset I was by Rob Reinerās murder.
Chat stats saying āRob Reiner is alive and well. It may seem like bad things have happened but heās fineā.
Really fucked up.
You would fact check a chat gpt screenshot by asking chat gpt yourself? A screenshot of chat gpt isn't convincing because ai will lie to you even without prompting. Why wouldn't you look at actual sources?
You idiot friend literally discovered they were wrong and instead of admitting that they are in fact fallible, they doubled down and intentionally tried to deceive you....
I mean, I have friends who are dumb but are self aware about it, and honest when they make mistakes. I wouldn't trust factual information from them, but I would trust their social advice , and/or their intentions.
Exactly. People of all intelligence levels can be humble and willing to admit they're incorrect. I can't be friends with someone who is unwilling to admit they are wrong. I personally hate being wrong, but that motivates me to want to learn the truth. To me, pretending you're right after learning you aren't is just being a sore loser. I also can't be friends with sore losers. Of course the venn diagram of sore losers and people unable to admit being wrong is a circle.
I'd rather find out that I'm wrong if I'm wrong. How else do we learn? I can't be expected to hold all knowledge of the known universe, so yeah, sometimes I'm wrong.
Not knowing thereās a difference between the two doesnāt necessarily make the guy look ādumbā but trying to have google AI write fake information to convince OP otherwise is what makes him look stupid as fuck š
If anything I'd be a petty bitch and save the screenshot, then pull it out any time there's an argument again to shut them down.
Never again do they get to walk away from an argument with anything other than "you're a loser who makes up fake evidence when you're wrong, nothing you say has any value"
Okay so if it were a joke, what would you do? For me I think it's also a joke possibility and what I would do is screenshot the fake information but also include some sort of evidence that it was fake, so my buddy would know it's a joke or at least know it's not real and I could hit him with the joke. After all, sending a bunch of lies with no indication it's fake and a joke is mean/wrong.
Something just like the OP's picture would be what I sent. Snip of "info" plus the little blip admitting it's fake info.
In other words this is a fucking shitpost and it's a friend sending a joke to another friend. OP got a joke and is selling it on Reddit as serious for reddit points
Yeah sometimes targeted misinformation campaigns against friends are funny but you also need to give them a chance to realize they are being tricked. We once convinced a friend that a barn owl in a cabin we were staying in Colorado could lift up the roofing to attack people at night.
So, I once mis pronounce the word draught as (drot) the actual pronunciation is (draft). And after being called out by a friend on it I went to Wikipedia and changed the pronunciation and sent him a screenshot, it was immediately changed back but it was pretty funny when he was very confused. I told him what I did and he just called me dumb lol. This reminds me of it, AI seems to be just mainly a tool for idiots to sound educated.
draught annoys me so much man, i know how to say it, but i still read it as dr - aw - t every time i see it written because my brain automatically thinks its like drought but with an a
English is fucking stupid. I did this at a bar the day i turned 21 and the old bartenders confused face and then pouring action is locked in my brain forever.Ā
It's like "laughter" which is pronounced either lafter or larfter depending on accent.
Draught is similarly either draft or drarft. (Note: "draft" is its own word which people with the latter accent will read as "drarft". Hopefully they can figure out I mean it with an "a" like "ham")
Yep, the whole situation started because in world of war craft in the legion expansion they added a trinket called the "Draught of souls" that I needed as it was a BIS item. And I kept calling it "Drot of souls"
Ah OK. Transitional phase? In the UK, NZ, Australia they are both 'draught'. A 'draft'can be a preliminary version of an article or whatever. That said, Australia often dabbles in US usage
TBF, most 'aught' pronunciations are the awt sound, i.e. gh is silent - caught, daughter, naughty etc, but only a couple are aft sounds, like draught or laughter. Renaissance vowel shifts really messed English up. I tried to pronounce Mercedes as a kid, having only read it, not heard it. I... was not close.
Okay, but, my friend did this to me (before AI) and it was hilarious. He gaslighted me so hard and somehow had the time to edit the Wikipedia article that proved me correct so that I was wrong. He had me almost believing him until I checked the article on my phone and someone had immediately fixed it.
To be fair, he's got that older brother energy rather than the "always has to be right" personality.
Ans also kind of sad for me whenever I argue with people coz I am usually the first one to apologize and say my mistake when I realize I have made a mistake
I'm sorry OP, that's so fucking funny. I would hold off on letting them know about this until the next time you get in a dumb argument, then you can make fun of them for it forever.Ā
You're a stronger person than me, I'd be putting a red circle around that bottom part of the screenshot and sending it back so fast I'd injure my thumbs
I was tired of tearing my ACL every time I injured my thumb, so I had surgery and had a deep fascial release to disconnect the two anatomical features. They should look into it.
"Are you telling the truth John? Or is it like the time you asked AI to make fake screenshots when you couldn't admit the ACL and Achilles were two different things?" *mic drop*
I'd not stay friends with someone like this long enough to get into another dumb argument lol, the second they try to spread medical disinformation because they can't handle being wrong about something is the second the friendship ends.
I would never trust that dude to be able to get this. Or he would play dumb and you would need to declare wym with pulling out screenshots and hence losing all the momentum.
This guy gets red circled and āok bro šššāāed by me as hard as it gets instanteously.
She teaches AP US History and, over the past couple of years, she gets papers like this CONSTANTLY. She gives students 55s for work like this then parents will read the first couple of paragraphs and come in furious over the grade. She lets the parents scream, picks up the paper, and shows them the end of Chat GPT's response that their "genius" kid couldn't even be bothered to delete.
That's the lowest grade her district allows her to give.
It's become common for school districts to put a floor, somewhere between 50 and 65, on the lowest grade so it's never really impossible for a student to fail a class. Technically, one of her students could cut every single class, not take a single exam, nor turn in a single assignment and pass her class if the student did well on the AP exam which counts as the final.
Also I believe around 50 is considered a fail anyway. A zero usually means the assignment was absent, regardless of quality. At least that's how it was when I was young.
I went to a Catholic HS where anything below 75 was failing but 65 and below are commonly failing grades in public schools around me.
The point is that your average can never be so low that it's impossible for you to pass. When I was a student your average would be 0 if you took no exams and turned in no assignments going into your final and it would basically be impossible to pass the class. More commonly today, in that situation, your grad would be anywhere from a 50 to a 65 so a strong performance on a final could potentially let you pass.
I see it so much, where a bunch of people are riled up by extremely obvious bait.
I've seen hundreds of comments long threads about that screenshot of a post from The Flat Earth Society, a satire Facebook page, that says "The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe." Pretty much all of the commenters are always making fun of the supposed idiot flat earthers like it's a serious post.
Sometimes, you just gotta laugh along with the troll.
There is a difference with lame trolling and creating sarcasm thou. Too often people mix those concepts and pretend that Alanis Morissette was wrong about it.
Thatās what Iām saying. And everyone in the comments that doesnāt know these two is psycho analyzing them and saying this guy is the worst person on the planet
If only there was a way to distinguish the anterior cruciate LIGAMENT (ligaments connect bone to bone)
from the Achilles TENDON (tendons connect muscle to bone)
Being terminally online is such a plague.
You have zero clue what their friendship is like, how long they've known each other, whether the friend did it as a joke. Literally nothing. No context.
Just laugh at it and move on. You don't need to comment about ending friendships on comedy posts.
Yeah I'm genuinely not sure how people with this kind of mindset can actually operate in social situations in the real world. If I cut off someone every time they did something stupid like this I don't think I'd have any friends left
This person cares so much about winning an argument that they're willing to create fake information to support their now fully well knowingly wrong argument, to convince you of a wrong position. With respect, you need to tell this person to fuck off out of your life.
Is he joking? Because this kind of joke is an art form. But he needed to let it hang in the chat just long enough to infuriate you. He also needed to text you a zoomed in photo of the bottom and a concession that you are right before you have a chance to reply.
I'd cut this person out of my life ASAP. I don't care if you didn't know that the ACL and your Achilles tendon are two different things, but trying to lie to me using AI shows me how little you respect knowledge, honesty, and our relationship. I refuse to humor someone's ego when it is steeped in duplicity.
Wait. The Anterior Cruciate Ligament, you know, one of the main reasons your KNEES work... that's not the same as your achilles tendon, famously located on your HEEL?
I mean youāre Achilles tendon is behind your ankle and your ACL is in your knee, and if you connect your hipbone to your hand bone spin it all around thatās what itās all about
Two kinds of people in this world: the ones who want to be right so what they say isn't wrong, and the ones who want to be right because they can't admit when they're wrong.
The former can admit when they're wrong and will learn, the latter stay dumb fucks.
Yeah this is someone I would definitely not spend more time with. If someone is so petty as to do this, there are a lot of other things that they've likely done to gaslight/manipulate you. If this was me I would avoid contact with them till they can grow up.
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u/TheThiefMaster Aug 27 '26
"Does this fake medical info look convincing enough for your screenshot" š¤£