r/gaming • u/Asianboiforwhitedad • 10h ago

Kingdom Come Deliverance studio co-founder says a lot of RPGs are 'still games for teenagers,' and that he's 'tired of all the RPGs where you are this chosen one'

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/kingdom-come-deliverance-studio-co-founder-says-a-lot-of-rpgs-are-still-games-for-teenagers-and-that-hes-tired-of-all-the-rpgs-where-you-are-this-chosen-one/
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u/SpoofSide 9h ago

Yeah, do it like fallout 2, where you're the chosen one but no one gives a shit or they think you're a lunatic.

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u/NomadSoul22 9h ago

Or fallout NV you are just a courier and then you fuck everyone up

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u/jpfeifer22 6h ago

Fallout 3: "I have to find my dad."

Fallout 4: "I have to find my son."

Fallout New Vegas: "I'm fuckin' PISSED."

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u/Folca-5000 5h ago

and this is part of why NV is so beloved. you arent special or on an important quest to start with. shit luck happened and now you are out to make it everyone elses PROBLEM

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u/Taiyaki11 4h ago

The premise especially lends itself naturally to the player's motivations as well. There's no disconnect between the player's motives and the character's. You got shot. How important that is or isn't is yours to decide wether you beeline to finding the guy or screw around the world instead, it doesn't create an odd disconnect like 4 where the player maybe just wants to explore the world but the character is constantly worrying about their lost son and talking about how they need to find him right away.

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u/STRYKER3008 1h ago

I could only do an evil run of FNV if I never meet Boone. He's like the proto Kim Kitsuragi haha

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u/RoyBeer 1h ago

We had a small run as Goblins against our own to-be PCs during a D&D weekend to introduce them to ourselves in an entertaining way. It was pretty fun and I was kinda bummed when I was told to switch from my Goblin to a Human haha

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u/nothinfollowsme 3h ago

Bravo Todd!

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u/Magma_Axis 2h ago

So Revenge theme RPG are the hotness right now ?

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u/Llayanna 1h ago

..you do know how old New Vegas is, right? 

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u/Laser_Souls 1h ago

“God let me live another day and I’m making it everyone else’s problem”

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u/BicFleetwood 4h ago

Courier is like "God damn you and also everyone you've ever associated with or passed on the street."

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u/Raffle-Taffle 9h ago

What I love about New Vegas is how you will yourself into the main conflict after essentially becoming a legend. The person who survives being shot in the head traverses across a hostile landscape making a name for themselves (doing quests), kills the man who shot him, and becomes the first person to enter The Lucky 38 to have a personal audience with Mr. House.

I appreciate how all the factions want you on their side because they can see The Courier is someone who can get shit done.

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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 9h ago

Technically Ulysses was going to be THE courier, but you were special, I can't remember why, probably vague meta commentary.

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u/aeroeagleAC 9h ago

I think ulysses just refused and you were second choice if I remember correctly 

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u/Ondrion 9h ago

Ulysses sees your name as the backup choice and refuses the job because of it. Something to do with you being the courier who caused the divide of I remember correctly.

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u/MonaganX 7h ago

Yeah, he just wanted you to take the job because he thought it would kill you, he was half right I guess.

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u/I_eat_mud_ 8h ago

Yeah your character has amnesia about the Divide incident for some reason I can't remember

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u/ADrunkEevee 6h ago

Not amnesia, they just didn't know. For them it was a delivery, nothing more.

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u/UNC_Samurai 8h ago

Lonesome Road as a setting is fine, but Ulysses and the way they stapled the Courier’s backstory into the narrative left a lot to be desired.

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u/skrid54321 6h ago

It was definitely intended from the outset. I think the issue is no one else recognizes you, so it feels out of nowhere, because you have nothing of your old life. A few references in the main game would have helped a lot.

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u/RefrigeratorWide2894 5h ago

I think the story works better if you view it as Ulysses was the courier who brought the bomb to the divide and his PTSD refuses to let him acknowledge that. I don't think there's much in game to actually support this viewpoint but it's my headcannon

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u/ADrunkEevee 6h ago

I mean, all they really said is that the courier was a courier.

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u/Ison--J 7h ago

Some reason. The 9mm sized hole in your skull

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u/ADrunkEevee 6h ago

The courier does not have amnesia at any point

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u/big_duo3674 5h ago

Nah, no hole there anymore! Doc sewed your brain chunks back roughly where he thought they belonged and hit you with a stim pack, good as new...or close at least. Those memories were probably one of the chunks he put back in the wrong spot

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u/I_eat_mud_ 7h ago

Your character is still able to remember their childhood and shit based off dialogue choices, it's just lazy writing.

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u/Pepperh4m 6h ago

I mean, memory works in weird ways. There's been incidents just like that in real life where people only lost their more recent memories but retained the more formative ones.

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u/big_duo3674 5h ago

...yeah, but the brain was just like sewed back together with Doc Mitchell basically saying he guessed where some things went, then he hit you with a stim pack and all was well. No surprise some memories got lost, probably still on the ground in the graveyard, the pieces he missed

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u/versusChou 12m ago

I'm pretty sure your character remembers the Divide, but as a courier, you took many packages into the Divide and around. From what I understand, you didn't know that one of your packages to the Divide is what caused all the nukes to go off. From your POV, you worked normal delivery jobs all your life and one day not long after you did one to the Divide, you hear that something happened in the Divide and it's not accessible anymore. To you, it's just another thing that happened. New Canaan got wiped out later. According to the show, Novac basically becomes ruins. In the setting, a town suddenly collapsing or disappearing isn't really unheard of, and you have no reason to think your package caused it. And that's what pisses off Ulysses. He's mad that you don't even realize that your actions (innocent as they were) fundamentally altered the Mojave and his life. And that you've basically kept derping through life changing the world for better or for worse for everyone else without any real intentionality. The funny thing is, the show basically implies that nothing the Courier did really mattered, so Ulysses was wrong.

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u/BathB0mbShelter 5h ago

You got shot in the head

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u/ZMowlcher 6h ago

I rp he's lying

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u/Freak7factor 5h ago

Like regular mail