r/SipsTea • • 9h ago

SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 9h ago

Maybe a backup camera?

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u/xEliteMonkx 8h ago

Isn't a law that all cars manufacturers after 2016 require backup cameras? Or am I just hallucinating?

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u/mrRobertman 8h ago edited 7h ago

Yes, but it's 2018 not 2016.

EDIT: to clarify, this is the law in the US and Canada, but not elsewhere.

EDIT 2: here is the worldwide laws from Wikipedia:

Country/Region Deadline for compliance Note
United States May 1, 2018 Required for all vehicles under 10,000 pounds
Canada May 1, 2018 Required for all vehicles under 10,000 pounds (4536 kg)
Japan May 1, 2022
European Union July 6, 2022 Reversing camera or detection system is required.
Australia November 1, 2025 All new vehicles made from existing models will be required since 1 November 2027.

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u/RobotSpaceBear 7h ago

It's the law in the EU. We, too, are civilised, just like big brother North America.

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u/mrRobertman 7h ago

This feels like the rare example where US/Canada was ahead of the EU on safety laws.

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u/MGreymanN 4h ago

It's been awhile but the USA/Canada led the way with lighting, 3rd brake light and Canada mandating daylight running lamps back in the 80s!

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 3h ago

Sucks, my car's a 2016.

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u/StrengthDazzling8922 9h ago

I do appreciate the backup camera

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u/kylec00per 8h ago

I just got a car with a 360 camera and will say it's a game changer. Love my heads up display too lol.

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u/johnshall 8h ago

Or hear me out, just learn how to park. Its not that hard at all.

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u/livinbythebay 7h ago

Backup cameras werent introduced because of people bumping bollards, they were introduced because people kept backing over children that weren't visible in the mirrors or turning around.

I know a guy who has one useless arm because his mom backed over him as a kid.

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u/johnshall 7h ago

Fair point.

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u/kylec00per 8h ago

Yea, I parked just fine for the first 14 years I've been driving, its just a convenience. Do you still use manual drills too?

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u/MidnightDoom3r 8h ago

Ya it is a super nice feature. Makes back up much easier and safer. Plus you can park with inch accuracy.

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u/Responsible-Hold8587 8h ago

Yeah backup camera is a safety feature, not just for you, but for anything that might end up behind your car and isn't easily visible in the window

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u/natigin 5h ago

And yet somehow we managed without them for decades.

I’m not saying get rid of them, but making something mandatory just because it hypothetically makes things a bit safer can have unintended consequences, like unaffordablity

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u/atx-cs 5h ago

These camera are dirt cheap.

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u/natigin 5h ago

Sure, and I like mine a lot.

But when you keep adding cheap things, the overall product ends up being expensive, and expensive to repair. I’m arguing there should be an option for people who prefer to go without all the modern conveniences.

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u/Responsible-Hold8587 4h ago

Yeah we "somehow managed" without a lot of things in the past - seat belts, crumple zones, turn signals, airbags, etc. We also "somehow managed" to back over a lot of children in driveways

​"The agency's assessment of available safety data indicates that on average there are 267 fatalities and 15,000 injuries (9,000 of which are NHTSA-estimated incapacitating and non-incapacitating injuries) resulting from backover crashes per year. Of those, 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries are attributable to backover crashes involving light vehicles (passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses) under 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)..."

We mandate these things because the safety value to the driver and everybody around them is worth the cost.

If modern safety features are a real big issue for you, you're always welcome to buy used.

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u/natigin 3h ago

Are there statistics on how many fewer kids were struck in reverse due to the cameras? I’m sure they’re some but the camera doesn’t prevent someone from being careless

And yeah, some innovations are clearly necessary and welcome across the board. My point is that many are not worth pricing people out of transportation or making people struggle just to afford a safe mode of transportation. Keep the cameras if they do make a noticeable difference, but the idea is to make a car that is as bare bones as possible while still being safe and reliable.

A car doesn’t also have to be an elite tech item. It has to work.

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u/Responsible-Hold8587 3h ago edited 3h ago

It turns out there are statistics :)

https://www.kidsandcars.org/news/mandate-for-backup-cameras-in-new-vehicles-is-associated-with-near-50-reduction-in-severe-injuries

They found similar trends among both sets of data, with rates of events per year reduced to approximately a third. The proportion of injuries classified as “severe” decreased by nearly half, and the absolute number of publicly reported fatal cases decreased by 78%.

The average cost of adding a camera to a car with an infotainment system is about $40 and the cost of adding it to a car without that system is about $130.

So it adds about 0.5% to the cost of a $25,000 car.

A 78% reduction in fatal backup incidents on children seems pretty good to me, but I guess it's very troubling that new cars cost a little bit more.

Seems worth it to me and doesn't seem like it is pricing people out of cars.

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u/natigin 3h ago

Okay, that’s totally worth it then. Keep them in for sure, but it’s still possible to cut out most of the technology in a car, underpower the engine (relative to modern standards) and produce an affordable product

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u/crow-warden 2h ago

People literally got injured and died for decades. What are you even talking about?

It's arguments like this that make people think you all are kinda silly, you know.

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u/MavisBeacons_Sextape 8h ago

No. You will have a cockpit full of electrical gremlins and you will LIKE IT, damnit.

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u/furiant 7h ago

Fun fact for those unaware: in the United States, since May 1, 2018, all new cars, SUVs, trucks, crossovers, vans, etc. under 10,000 pounds are required to have a backup camera.

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u/pokingoking 4h ago

I was one of the unaware!

So does that mean that all cars post 2017 also have screens on the center dashboard to show the feed from the camera? Maybe that's a dumb question. I was just thinking that maybe the legal requirement for a screen also contributes to the explosion of all these new functionalities that most people don't even want.

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u/furiant 3h ago

Not necessarily! Some newer models have a dual purpose center rearview mirror where it's normally a mirror, but when you shift into reverse it suddenly becomes the backup camera. It's much more likely that there IS a screen, though the Slate has a small backup screen in the middle of the instrument cluster, as opposed to a screen attached to the "infotainment" area, since it doesn't have an infotainment center. And yes, that means it doesn't have a radio or speakers, though there are options to add speakers.

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u/Natniss 5h ago

TIL yanks say back up instead of reverse. I was so confused what the primary camera was that needed a back up 😂

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u/Officer-LimJahey 5h ago

Yeah, I was thinking backup what camera?

They also never use the handbrake because they call it an emergency break!

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u/bearpawxyz 4h ago

Lots of American cars don't even hand a handbrake lever anymore. It's just a pedal by your feet for the parking brake.

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u/fuelhandler 8h ago

The backup camera is literally the only piece of tech other than AC which is a must have for me.

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u/ChiGrayStone 7h ago

Backup cameras (and those 360 sensors) are one of the few examples of advancing technology making life better for everyone. Them being required by law is good government at work.

I agree with the infotainment systems. No need.

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 6h ago

Also the blind spot detectors on the mirrors

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u/Fakehiggins 7h ago

yeah, i need the camera so i can enjoy looking at the people i reverse into.

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u/Sad-Professor-4053 6h ago

My only problem with back up cameras is manufacturers using at as an excuse to have dogshit blind spots. Mine went out and while I was fixing it, I’m driving a small suv with the blind spots of a fucking box truck

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u/Sancticide 6h ago

It's not like she cares if she hits something anyways. It was clearly their fault for existing behind her.

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u/FlynnerMcGee 5h ago

It's amazing that having that camera in no way whatsoever has improved people's ability to reverse park their car.....or make it quicker for them....or to put the car in the middle of the parking space.

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u/BeerandSandals 4h ago

I hate the backup camera, most manufacturers kinda half-assed them for a decade and people RELY on them… which means they have no idea how to back up a car.

Mirrors are fine… but I think a backup camera is good, especially for kids.

I just think people rely on them for too much.

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u/bendguy123 7h ago

Do you need it? No. Look behind you car then get in and monitor your surroundings. Shut never used to exist. Its nice but not necessary

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u/LewdDarling 6h ago

Newer cars have worse visibility due to increasing crash safety standards, it's much harder to see out of new cars.

But even despite that this argument is stupid. Once you're seated in the car it's impossible to see if a small child or animal is behind your car. I guess you can get in and immediately take off while never taking your eyes off the mirrors but who does that?

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 6h ago

Sounds like a boomer going "i didnt need no seat belts".

Facts are facts

https://www.powershealth.org/about-us/newsroom/health-library/2025/09/26/backup-cameras-save-kids-lives-study-says

They save lives.

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u/bendguy123 6h ago

All kinds of advances save lives yet also create a complacency that the car will prevent shut feom happening. Safety standards are fine until there are so many we become the ones being controlled. Theres a balance to all of it

Edit: certainly not close to boomer class

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u/Critical_Concert_689 2h ago

Facts are facts.

If anyone actually cared about safety, remember that the number of children saved per backup camera is absolutely minuscule in comparison to total mortality due to car accidents.

And how can we prevent mortality due to car accidents? Lower speed limits. A slight reduction in speed limits across the board and significantly higher speeding penalties was estimated to save millions of lives.

Why didn't we do it? "Because it wasn't worth the cost."

No one gives a damn about saving lives. Not you. Not the State. Not the manufacturers. Not when it comes at the cost of inconvenience or profit.

Anyone who says a commercial feature is necessary for safety, but doesn't wonder why it's locked behind higher consumer costs needs to be investigated closely for shilling - or for creating policy that is performative-reactive, rather than actually helpful.

tl;dr: They are arguing a very valid point - and in doing so beg the question whether these features are actually necessary - and what hidden costs are associated with them.

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u/shizrak 9h ago

Neck injury?

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u/E1M1_DOOM 8h ago

Now that I have a backup camera, I sometimes catch myself accidentally looking back to pull out of a space and instantly think, "how the hell did I ever think this was a legitimate view of my surroundings?"

Backup cameras are amazing.

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u/shizrak 8h ago

Fair, I've only owned cars that had a good view out the back.

There are a lot out there that you can't see shit, and I forgot those, because I've never owned one.

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u/E1M1_DOOM 8h ago

That's a good point. There's a high likelihood that my car has a terrible view of the back specifically because the designers knew that there would be a backup camera.

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u/PaulblankPF 8h ago

I always just back in everywhere I go so to get out is always easy and backing in you have a lot of control to get in a tight spot. Not knocking the camera as if I pull in straight I will only use that to get out but I just prefer backing in everywhere.

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u/PmButtPics4ADrawing 7h ago

Yeah as someone who recently switched from a 2006 car to a 2023 the backup camera is easily my favorite upgrade. Vibes-based parking is not fun

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u/pokingoking 4h ago

You could have used your mirrors and eyes and not vibes, just fyi

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u/PmButtPics4ADrawing 4h ago

cars have blind spots fyi

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u/comradequicken 7h ago

No thanks