r/SipsTea • • 9h ago

SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 9h ago

Maybe a backup camera?

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u/Responsible-Hold8587 8h ago

Yeah backup camera is a safety feature, not just for you, but for anything that might end up behind your car and isn't easily visible in the window

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u/natigin 5h ago

And yet somehow we managed without them for decades.

I’m not saying get rid of them, but making something mandatory just because it hypothetically makes things a bit safer can have unintended consequences, like unaffordablity

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u/atx-cs 5h ago

These camera are dirt cheap.

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u/natigin 5h ago

Sure, and I like mine a lot.

But when you keep adding cheap things, the overall product ends up being expensive, and expensive to repair. I’m arguing there should be an option for people who prefer to go without all the modern conveniences.

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u/Responsible-Hold8587 4h ago

Yeah we "somehow managed" without a lot of things in the past - seat belts, crumple zones, turn signals, airbags, etc. We also "somehow managed" to back over a lot of children in driveways

​"The agency's assessment of available safety data indicates that on average there are 267 fatalities and 15,000 injuries (9,000 of which are NHTSA-estimated incapacitating and non-incapacitating injuries) resulting from backover crashes per year. Of those, 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries are attributable to backover crashes involving light vehicles (passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses) under 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)..."

We mandate these things because the safety value to the driver and everybody around them is worth the cost.

If modern safety features are a real big issue for you, you're always welcome to buy used.

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u/natigin 3h ago

Are there statistics on how many fewer kids were struck in reverse due to the cameras? I’m sure they’re some but the camera doesn’t prevent someone from being careless

And yeah, some innovations are clearly necessary and welcome across the board. My point is that many are not worth pricing people out of transportation or making people struggle just to afford a safe mode of transportation. Keep the cameras if they do make a noticeable difference, but the idea is to make a car that is as bare bones as possible while still being safe and reliable.

A car doesn’t also have to be an elite tech item. It has to work.

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u/Responsible-Hold8587 3h ago edited 3h ago

It turns out there are statistics :)

https://www.kidsandcars.org/news/mandate-for-backup-cameras-in-new-vehicles-is-associated-with-near-50-reduction-in-severe-injuries

They found similar trends among both sets of data, with rates of events per year reduced to approximately a third. The proportion of injuries classified as “severe” decreased by nearly half, and the absolute number of publicly reported fatal cases decreased by 78%.

The average cost of adding a camera to a car with an infotainment system is about $40 and the cost of adding it to a car without that system is about $130.

So it adds about 0.5% to the cost of a $25,000 car.

A 78% reduction in fatal backup incidents on children seems pretty good to me, but I guess it's very troubling that new cars cost a little bit more.

Seems worth it to me and doesn't seem like it is pricing people out of cars.

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u/natigin 3h ago

Okay, that’s totally worth it then. Keep them in for sure, but it’s still possible to cut out most of the technology in a car, underpower the engine (relative to modern standards) and produce an affordable product

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u/crow-warden 2h ago

People literally got injured and died for decades. What are you even talking about?

It's arguments like this that make people think you all are kinda silly, you know.