r/gaming • u/Asianboiforwhitedad • 10h ago

Kingdom Come Deliverance studio co-founder says a lot of RPGs are 'still games for teenagers,' and that he's 'tired of all the RPGs where you are this chosen one'

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/kingdom-come-deliverance-studio-co-founder-says-a-lot-of-rpgs-are-still-games-for-teenagers-and-that-hes-tired-of-all-the-rpgs-where-you-are-this-chosen-one/
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u/SpoofSide 9h ago

Yeah, do it like fallout 2, where you're the chosen one but no one gives a shit or they think you're a lunatic.

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u/btrust02 9h ago

Morrowind like this as well. Replaying it and it’s so refreshing

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u/MostyIncompetent 8h ago

Well, I mean, you kinda are since you are the Nerevar reborn. BUT, its done brilliantly. You are a nobody and the trials to become the Nerevar are subjective. Morrowind would've been better if you weren't Azura's champion, but outside of that. I do agree, that it's brilliantly done. You have to EARN the right to become Nerevar reborn.

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u/Unicorn_Colombo 8h ago edited 7h ago

Well, I mean, you kinda are since you are the Nerevar reborn.

Whether you are Nerevar Reborn is kept unclear.

You are guy who met all the requirements, out of some 8 previous dudes who didn't.

Not even Dagoth Ur is sure, he treats you as one because of the prophecy, but in the very second dialogue he asks you if you truly are, meaning he doesn't know

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u/mrgoobster 6h ago

By the time you get to Dagoth Ur, it doesn't really matter if you are or not. You've (probably) been acting like you are the Nerevarine, and that's what matters.

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u/BullTerrierTerror 6h ago

You MAY be the Nerevarine - that is made clear through the course of completing the Seven Trials. You even learn about the False Incarnates, people who competed none or some of the trials.

It’s a clever bit of writing.

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u/Squrton_Cummings 6h ago

"Am I actually the Nerevarine?"

"Maybe, maybe not, maybe go fuck yourself. S'wit."

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 8h ago

Morrowind is not like that. you are indoril nerevar reborn, the game literally starts with the daedric prince of fate and prophecy telling you that she chose you and will watch over you.

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u/SuperBackup9000 7h ago

You should probably read the parent comment. Morrowind is absolutely like that, because despite being the chosen one (if you allow yourself to be), no one really cares. Even the ones who do care still don’t even know if they should be caring

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 7h ago

people do care. it's why they start to manhunt you. why the emperor sent you. etc. the plot happens because you are the nerevarine.

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u/BullTerrierTerror 5h ago

No.

Azura has spoken to all the Failed Incarnates. She even guides their souls to the Cavern of the Incarnate. One of the Failed Incarnates mentions visions by Azura and even survived the Blight.

The Main Character was just the latest and only successful attempt and fulfilling the Nerevarine prophecy. IF the Main Character went that route.

There is always also alternate way of complete Main Quest which completely ignores the Nerevarine quest line. You just straight up kill a god, take his tools, then kill another god.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Cavern_of_the_Incarnate

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Failed_Incarnates

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 5h ago

Azura has spoken to all the Failed Incarnates. 

no she didn't. in fact the only "failed incarnate" to even mention azura is peakstar, the same one that claims she survived the blight (what that even means, because she still died so who knows if the blight actually developed enough to kill/affect her).

further every single one of the "failed incarnates" fail to meet the prophecy in full, as they're all born in morrowind/vvardenfell, meaning they are not outlanders (which the prophecy states is a requirement). so none of them could have been nerevarine.

in morrowind, you, the player, are the nerevarine. you, the player, are indoril nerevar reborn. you, the player, are the only incarnate, there were no other incarnates.

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u/xueloz 5h ago

False. It is left purposefully ambiguous whether the PC is the Nerevarine or not.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 4h ago

it is not.

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u/BullTerrierTerror 1h ago

When Dagoth asks you, you can respond:

Yes, I am moon and star returned

I am not even so sure myself if I am Nerevar

I am an imperial agent, and not Nerevar.

The point is, your fate isn’t predetermined.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 1h ago

yeah despite what you can say that doesn't stop what you objectively are.

I can say I'm a cat, but that's not true.

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u/avlapteff 4h ago edited 2h ago

There is no one true version of Nerevarine prophecy. Tribes and wise women had access to different parts of it. Some were fully lost even. Failed incarnates either had no clue about some aspects of the prophecy or chose to ignore them as unreliable. Who's to say which are true and which are not?

Not to mention that our character also doesn't fulfill an important mission attributed to Nerevarine by Ashlanders: banish the outlanders from Morrowind. It's not in the prophecies Nibani Mesa teaches you but it's part of the prophecy overall.

So in the end it's all about convincing right people/gods/universe that you are indeed Nerevarine enough. Azura is not some objective force outside the mystery, she's an active participant with an agenda like Vivec or the emperor. She recruits you just like Caius does.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 4h ago

the banishing of outlanders was made up by the ashlanders, it isn't a part of the original prophecy.

azura is literally the manifestation of fate and prophecy

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u/BullTerrierTerror 1h ago

She’s also a master manipulator and holds a grudge against the Tribunal. She’s extremely jealous, vein, and vengeful.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape 1h ago

you're the nerevarine. dunno what else to tell you.

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