I'm just still surprised by that Pelicot case in France. How was he able to find dozens of men to do that, for years, without someone asking questions, tipping someone off, or just thinking, "Wait a minute...?"
I’m depressed because I’m not surprised. Gang rape in college and the military is nothing new. And do you think those young men actually grow up into adults who finally understand consent?
From military bases like Fort Hood to Diddys yachts and Jeffery's Island....imagine all the underground stuff we don't know about. (Not like we do much about what we DO know about)
This is sort of what was the final nail in the coffin for me and my faith and church culture. I come from a background that admittedly hasn't had the massive global sex and pedophilia scandals of other churches (Greek Orthodox) but having experienced abuse my self and others in my family experiencing abuse...
it doesn't make sense how a God of love can exist and somewhere, right now a child is being hurt and no one is there to help them. Their pain will go forgotten and unwitnessed, the perfect time for God to step in... yet he doesn't. No one comes tk their rescue. They just keep getting hurt. If they survive, they often carry that pain in them the rest of their lives.
I am not religious but I hear all the time from devout religious voices claiming that God works through people.
Pretending that just because you are a good person means that your God is righteous God is so wild.
If pious and “good” people still give money to the Catholic Church to sustain an institution that has protected abusers then your god sucks and you don’t actually care and love everyone.
You love your privilege. (Meaning the people who turn a blind eye and claim that they aren’t giving their money to settle lawsuits they are giving it to the services that help people.) hilarious that you think you make a bit of difference with your intentions for your actions. When I refer to You I am directing it towards those who have these beliefs not the OG, the OP or the OOP.
And Jesus would be ashamed if he wasn’t a symbol of the institutional oppression that he is used as a symbol for you to feel good about yourself and sustain the system. The system isn’t broken, the system is people and the system is working as intended.
But thats the thing, they say God works through people when its people that help but when random chance worked in their favour, its a miracle or direct intervention.
Yep. They also love to uphold and push the narrative of these wonderful people like Mother Theresa who let God works through them to do good.
She gets praise for her diligent work with the poor and sick and proclaim her saintliness for helping those that others shun Willing ignoring and obscuring the reason these people need her help.
People need to really dig into Mother Theresa, she’s not a Saint for what she does, if anyone purposely shit on the floor and then claimed that they see an issue no one else is willing to fix while disguising the fact they were the one that shit on the floor and caused the issue. Well stepping up to clean it while simultaneously shutting in the floor while cleaning it is what she did.
I don't want to sound like a simp because I do generally agree about what you're saying (it's one of the reasons I've stayed out of organized religions and detest the Catholic Church as an organization), but I did a dive into Theresa years ago and found that a lot of the common internet speaking points were popularized by Christopher Hitchens (who is a figure pretty worth of scrutiny himself) and kinda warp the facts.
Like, people complain that she "refused medicine and told people pain would heal them"; but she was never intending to heal people in the first place. The places she set up weren't hospitals but places for people who were dying in the street to be able to die in dignity and some comfort. They weren't getting any medicine, they had simple painkillers like acetaminophen that they did indeed give people but they didn't have any morphine (and couldn't because of India's restriction on it).
Here's a BadHistory post that goes into it better than I can, with sources.
Oh no worries lol I didn't mean to change your outlook or anything just wanted to put that there cause I was surprised myself.
And sorry I didn't think at all it might be attacking you as a person, I genuinely did not mean to whatsoever. Religion is a really tough topic because it's such a personal thing and that's kinda why IMO when it gets organized it get so impersonal and controlling; and yeah the Catholic Church has done so many horrible things (I'm Irish, we've had places they basically imprisoned women and made them work, along with the usual sexual abuse and stuff) that you're not wrong being cynical when it comes to these things!
Also don't worry I didn't feel like you were attacking anyone in particular lol just wanted to comment because I see "Mother Theresa was actually bad" often enough. :D If anything I'm more anti-Christopher Hitchens (I think he was a self-important pseudo-intellectual and the best thing that happened was when he was waterboarded so he could admit it actually is torture). xD
The idea you're describing is also perfectly described and articulated in by the character Ivan in The Brothers Karamazov novel by Dostoevsky. One of the best books ever written, everyone should read it.
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u/eur26 3d ago
I'm just still surprised by that Pelicot case in France. How was he able to find dozens of men to do that, for years, without someone asking questions, tipping someone off, or just thinking, "Wait a minute...?"