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Discussion "It's all men until it's no men"

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u/M2Fream 3d ago

Its not all men but it could be any man.

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u/AppointmentNaive2811 3d ago

See - this is something that I think literally everyone can agree with.

Why isn't it just used from the get go?

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u/DocThel 3d ago

I think it's because this type of phrase and logic is easily used in the exact same way to speak negatively about racial minorities or other groups and is usually viewed negatively.

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u/theJonkler_Aslume 3d ago

But "all ___" doesn't

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u/Ch33k1-Br33k1 3d ago

The thing is that saying "everyone can agree on this" is sadly a way of thinking that does not work, and will not work on people who are constantly bitching about the "it's all men".

No they will not agree, because they do not understand either the concept of patriarchy or even sexism. If you go up to anyone's face and out of the blue you call them a rapist and murderer, they will be upset: now, we know it is not out of the blue, because we understand what it means, but this people don't.

As these people do not understand the concept of patriarchy, or the axis of gendered violence and how it works, they do not understand what "it's all men" mean and they won't simply agree. If you explain to some of these people how it works, they may understand, and then agree.

Of course, you could say "why would I explain someone so simple to a sexist?", and that would be an acceptable way of thinking. But if you really want to make a change, take your time explaining things, slow, with sources. "It's simple so they will agree" does not work, because they do not see the world the same way we do.

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u/Legal_Cranberry_2977 1d ago

Because they're intentionally provoking people to drive engagement. If everyone agreed that it's not all men but could be any man, nothing more would need to be said, and the conversation would die. This way it keeps the discussion going. It's disingenuous and provocative by design.

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u/bubblyH2OEmergency 2h ago

because the majority of men will have the abusing men’s backs.

see Cornell story for evidence of that

they had to write an essay, ffs

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u/ShitMcClit 2d ago

"Its not all blacks but it could by any black." Thats why. 

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u/AppointmentNaive2811 2d ago

So you prefer "It's all blacks"?

That really the stance you're taking?

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 3d ago

It’s not all men doing the act, but you have to be afraid of all men because only a few men will actually protect you from evil men

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u/Polkawillneverdie17 3d ago

This is a much more accurate phrasing and I completely agree with it.

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u/moosemuffin12 3d ago

I’ve always subscribed to “It’s not all men, but it’s always a man”

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u/Upstairs-Prompt2662 2d ago

Also not true. There are also female rapists.

Its not all men but its most often a man.

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u/TheBrn 3d ago

That's also bad because it's not true. Women also commit (sexual) assault

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u/Polkawillneverdie17 3d ago

What's always a man?

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u/moosemuffin12 3d ago edited 3d ago

The worst crimes

Edit: I genuinely thought that’s what it referred to. Wars/atrocities/mass shootings etc.

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u/theJonkler_Aslume 3d ago

100x better

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u/-Ragatha- 2d ago

its not all men, it can be anyone*

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u/dgreenmachine 3d ago

Say that instead lol, "could be any man" instead of "all men" are abusers.

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u/M2Fream 3d ago

But he also makes a good point that most men wont help you or call out another man

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u/dgreenmachine 3d ago edited 3d ago

I can agree with that but still not* say "all men". At least say something like "too many men". Its a rage bait slogan. 

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u/hiemsidus 3d ago

It’s not rage bait. You’re just using tiktok lingo to brush this complex issue over. It’s all contextual. If 1 in 3 men in the world (almost 1 billion) experienced SA from women, I would have to be an idiot to not understand them lamenting ‘always a woman, women this women that’. If I say I hate politicians, I don’t have sensitive people from all over the place telling me ‘not aaaalll politicians’.

I won’t say all men, I won’t say too many men, I’ll say MEN. Bc in a womans case, it’s always a man. Any non-lazy intellectual brain understands. The difference between you feel persecuted for allegations not even thrown at you and we ARE persecuted for actual cases dismissed on the daily.

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u/moosemuffin12 3d ago edited 3d ago

Your politician analogy doesn’t make any sense because half of the population aren’t born politicians.

Is this kind of content really progress, does it really change anybody’s minds? I think it’s more likely the only thing idiots like OP are doing is confirming whatever biases idiots in the comments already had. Thank you for your service, brave king

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u/hiemsidus 3d ago

Half of the population isn’t man. A lot are boys below 12. So even when you lessen that 4 billion male population by excusing the innocent boys, it makes the statistics worse. Cause of 1 in 3 women/girls experienced SA (of ghe reported cases atleast) then that’s around 800 million victims. It conversly means 800 million men. If there were 800 million guaranteed thieves, you would also be wary anyone around the corner, at work, at home, could be a potential thief.

And since I have to do the thinking in your place: politicians are in positions of power. Men are physically stronger which is why rape can even take place: a position of power abused. Not that difficult to figure yourself. Thank you for your disservice, lazy mind.

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u/moosemuffin12 3d ago edited 3d ago

I’m not sure you want to get into relating crime statistics with “being wary of people” rn

And spoiler alert: innocent boys grow up to be men

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u/hiemsidus 3d ago

Why wouldn’t anyone get into it? The more truth the merrier. Acting like men don’t commit most crimes, wars, SA, etc etc. Even at the expense of other men, not just women & children. Quit mansplaining & acting mysterious. Pull up objective numbers with extensive context and nuance. This is reddit not some insta comment section. You can add more info if you have any.

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u/moosemuffin12 3d ago

Because that’s the exact same tactic racists use against black people in America. Are you wary of black people for committing a disproportional amount of crimes compared to their population? Of course not, but that’s the truth. See how your “you would be wary of all men too” scenario kinda falls apart if you think about it that way?

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u/dgreenmachine 3d ago

You're making the assumption that its 1 man for every 1 woman who is SA'd. Way more likely that its a small number of men assaulting a large number of women.

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u/hiemsidus 3d ago

Ur being illogical saying I made that assumption when I did not articulate that. I literally said 1 in 3 women. That means it’s likely 1 in 3 men committing such atrocities. OF the reported cases. U fail to include gang SA. It’s a large number of men assaulting a large number of women. How is mathematical equation that difficult. Are you American? It’s a large number of thieves stealing from a large amount of victims.

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u/dgreenmachine 3d ago

I'll give an example so you can understand. Say 1/3 stores have been robbed. Does that mean 1/3 people have robbed a store? No obviously not. There are a small number of people doing all the robbing. In the same way a small number of men are doing the SA.

You keep throwing in insults because your argument makes no sense. Its really frustrating.

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u/hiemsidus 3d ago

Another point: if it’s 1 man for every 1 woman, the statistics would be 100%. Aka all women and all girls ever eventually report every boy & man.
This is more your ignorant math problem than your malice. So I’m taking that into account & excusing that.

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u/dgreenmachine 3d ago

What you are doing is called sexism. You are blaming the entire group that is men for the fault of a small number of perpetrators. I can agree that most men don't stand up around sexist jokes but when you say "all men" are to blame then why are you surprised when men who are allies are upset at you?

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u/hiemsidus 3d ago

Where the hell did u go so wrong to imagine I wrote ‘all men’ when I clearly said (2nd paragraph) I’ll say ‘MEN’. Always a man. Bruh you‘re literally informing my point. How the hell is literacy this bad?

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u/dgreenmachine 3d ago

Women are difficult. Not saying all women or too many women, but women. Theyre too difficult and if you feel persecuted for that then its on you as a woman for dismissing our lived experience.

See how bad that sounds? Thats not okay and neither is whatever you're doing.

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u/ExperimentalFruit 3d ago

It’s not all blacks but it could be any black

Watch me get banned for this but not everyone calling out men

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u/M2Fream 2d ago

Men arent a minority

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u/MorheimR0x 2d ago

Stupid argument. PoC's aren't hermaphrodites, mind you. Claiming men, claims men of all races.

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u/Ok-Memory-8073 3d ago

lol makes no sense

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u/Odd_Location_745 3d ago

Or any woman