r/SipsTea • • 10h ago

SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/djfishfingers 10h ago

If you're buying cars that die at 70k miles, you're either buying the wrong cars or don't take care of them. With the modern technology in engines, they don't die that fast anymore.

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u/sherzer7 10h ago

GM is having massive engine failures on the 6.2. Even the replacement engines are failing. Modern engines can be terribly designed

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u/djfishfingers 9h ago

Is that the normal though? I'm not saying 0 cars don't have engine failure by 70k miles. But it's absolutely not the expected life of a modern engine.

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u/Minute-Pomelo9302 9h ago

Plot twist: it is

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u/djfishfingers 9h ago

You just saying so doesn't making it true.

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u/16BitGenocide 5h ago

GM's 6.2L L87 is notoriously failure-prone. There's literally a recall covering potential catastrophic engine failure that affected almost 600k vehicles.

Sources-

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a73497654/nhtsa-investigation-general-motors-v8-failures/

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCRIT-25V274-6343.pdf

https://carbuzz.com/gm-l87-v8-engine-failure-nhtsa-investigation-august-2026/

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u/djfishfingers 5h ago

Sure. 600k vehicles. But one, it's a recall so you get your engine fixed/replaced FOR FREE. That means your car still lasts longer than 70k miles. Secondly, that's 600k out of millions of cars produced every year.

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u/16BitGenocide 5h ago

Didn't know those goalpost had recalled engines in them, that's neat.

Theseus's Silverado has entered the chat.

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u/djfishfingers 5h ago

It's not moving goalposts to say a car doesn't die at 70k miles because the company FIXES the issue that might cause it to fail.

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u/16BitGenocide 5h ago

Yeah, you are.

You're also saying that an engine that is known to catastrophically fail, but gets replaced under warranty somehow negates that initial catastrophic failure (I'm not 100% sure you understand what that phrase means).

You're confusing repairability with reliability. Nobody wants their fucking 90-125k SUV recalled. Losing your primary driver or family vehicle for several days to a week or more is a pretty big issue for most families. It's not an oil change, it's not an oopsy I scratched the paint, it's a fucking engine swap (and a post production engine swap at that). I've actually been through this before, and it took FOURTEEN service appointments to make it right.

Just because the cost is nothing, doesn't mean there isn't any inconvenience. If you're paying that much money for a top trim SUV, I don't think 'not wanting any recalls' is a high bar.

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u/djfishfingers 5h ago

My dude, in this scenario most people and their cars have not had a catastrophic failure. A small amount of the affected cars have and an recall was issued. As long as you're a responsible car owner, the issue/recall gets resolved before you get anywhere close to a catastrophic failure. And guess what? Every decent dealership in this country is going to give you a courtesy car for the time they have your car.

Is it somewhat inconvenient? Yeah. But none of that meets the definition of catastrophic failure. None of this suggests that most or a significant amount of cars manufactured "DIE at 70k miles".

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u/Minute-Pomelo9302 5h ago

Except the dealer service is pretty dogshit. And Stellantis product is no better.

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u/djfishfingers 5h ago

Every recall I've ever done with a GM detail has been perfectly adequate. YMMV.

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u/jereezy 7h ago

GM and Ford are both hot garbage. Chrysler DaimlerChrysler Stellantis is a total shitshow.

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u/thatsthey1 9h ago

Definitely an outlier situation. An engine dying under warranty just doesn’t happen on the regular these days

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u/sherzer7 9h ago

I’ll give some more examples, Cummins switched the push rod design in 2019 and it’s still a massive issue because of the poor design. Toyotas newest V6 has issues with the oil paths clogging because they are so small.

Theres a big change in the auto industry with engine design in the past 6 years. Thinner oils are blamed for bad engineering. This is happening to keep up with the latest CARB requirements. Auto industry isn’t going to make separate cars just to sell in CA so they all are held to their standards

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u/thatsthey1 8h ago

You are probably talking about 1% of all engines created during that period and two manufacturers GM and Toyota. Cars are more reliable and last longer than they ever have.

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u/sherzer7 7h ago

You can check NHTSA, there were a few bad years across the board for all manufacturers in the last 20 years but the last 5 have been really bad. 1% failure rate is terrible in manufacturing. GM 6.2 has a 3% which is extremely uncommon. A 1 in 33 chance to have an engine grenade it’s self off the lot is insane. Ford the past few years is notorious for updates bricking trucks. This was not an issue 10 years ago