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[Discussion] [Spoilers] Let's Cook: The Ultimate Reality Check on Arcuied scaling & The Beast Class Ceiling.

Spoiler Alert!!!

Nasuverse Full Power Archetype Earth (Arcueid Brunestead) vs Full Power Beasts is ONE SIDED! And the winner isn't who you may think.

I AM ABOUT TO DEPLOY A TACTICAL OBJECTION! To anyone saying that Camozatz is the weakest Beast you forget that Camozatz literally defeated a fully manifested ORT by himself. How? he literally ripped out its heart. He is the first being to Prove ORT IS NOT Unbeatable. Not Archetype Earth.

Also while we are at it Kukulcan, the Heart of ORT was the Second to defeat ORT cause she was literally its heart. In either Scenario Arcueid isn't doing jack to ORT.

Goietia, the demon god. Dude... Chaldea PLUS MULTIPLE GRAND SERVANTS PLUS Literally the Counter Force deployed EVERY SINGLE HEROIC SPIRIT at its disposal including high tier heroic spirits to just deal with Goietia's Automated defenses AND THEY STILL BARELY WON.

Even the counter force has a limit to what it can back her up with because the counterforce is nowhere near the raw output of Goietia's ring of light (that is stated to literally be the output of MILLIONS of Excaliburs. With this fire power it WAS EXPLICITLY STATED that Goietia can Punch a hole through the physical axes of the earth with his level of fire power. A.k.a punching a hole through the planet) because we see that it Absolutely struggled! let alone Kukulcan's Stellar Class Output inherited from not just being ORT's Heart but literally also being deified as a sun goddess by her people. It is planetary. And we know that literally the counter force has struggled with high tier threats before. For example versus goietia. It took the combined might of chaldea plus all the servants of the counter of force plus multiple Grand servants to BARELY DEFEAT HIM.

Tiamat, She is a primordial goddess, she is tied to the concept of life itself. Primordial means above the planet's age of man textures, which Arcueid operates on, all of Arcueid's feats in Tsukihime and yes even the Tsukihime Remake are bottlenecked by being in the Age of Man Timeline/Texture. This is Arcueid's Cap. It was required of the goddess alliance(top tier divine spirits like Archer Ishtar using powerful her Venus NP to punch through the Earth's Crust and volley to her sister Ereshkigal who used that opportunity to open the gates of the Mesopotamia Underworld Kur which placed Tiamat in a place of death and isolated her from the human world, Quetzalcoatl literally sacrificing her divinity to burn away WITH SOLAR FLAMES Tiamat's mud so that it doesn't literally end the world) PLUS GRAND CASTER MERLIN PLUS GRAND ASSASSIN HASSAN PLUS CHALDEA PLUS A FULLY MANIFESTED ARCHER GILGAMESH with his MAX ENUMA ELISH NOBLE PHANTASM TO STOP HER. AND IT WAS A TOUGH BATTLE REGARDLESS BECAUSE EVERY COORDINATION HAD TO BE ON POINT! AND THESE SERVANTS AREN'T DOING THIS TYPE OF CORDINATION ON THE REGULAR!

Tiamat has Inherent Immortality because she is the mother of all life on Earth. As long as a single living thing exists on the planet, Tiamat cannot die. Since Arcueid herself is a product of the planet's ecosystem, her very existence keeps Tiamat alive. Arcueid does not possess the "Concept of Death" ability like Grand Assassin First Hassan which was required to force a mortality glitch onto Tiamat (This took King Hassan giving up his Grand title to achieve). Tiamat’s Sea of Life (Nega-Genesis) would eventually drown the texture of the world, choking out Arcueid's backup source.

So my Canon is literally that the absolute top tiers of the verse. Are Beast class level. Ultimate ones fall under the Beast Class power level. Why? Here's the funny part you know Camozatz's the human turned bat god? He beat ORT one on one and he was a fully manifested Beast beating a fully manifested ORT!

And people say ORT is the final boss? Well listen man your invincible goat lost twice.

I believe if you scale properly without wanking her is that she is a top-tier Grand servant to low-end Beast Class.

People give No limits Fallacies (NLF) to her Marble Phantasm, her Immortality, ALL of her abilities! All the time!

Two words: Reading Comprehension!

For instance Arcueid trying to crush someone with the weight of the planet or the atmosphere literally does 0 damage. If you didn't realize, Everyone is ALREADY withstanding the gravity of the entire planet and the Weight of the atmosphere from the moment they were born.

Arcueid's power caps when you realize she controls the probability of localized events of the planet, she DOESN'T HAVE ABSOLUTE REALITY WARPING OF THE PLANET. There is literally no probability that the planet will ever collapse itself to form a black hole. Because it isn't a Star to begin with. You see my point? ZERO PROBABILITY.

If Arcueid tried to uplift a continent and throw it into orbit with marble Phantasm. She can't! There is absolutely no probability of that happening NATURALLY. Even if she did do it! She is essentially the guard dog of the counter force. NOT the counterforce itself. Gaia would ironically Stop her from literally ripping its skin off its surface and destroying the planet like disciplining a misbehaving child.

Her planetary back up isn't infinite. This is another major No Limits Fallacy. It's strictly a finite amount of mana the planet has. If the planet had an infinite amount of Mana then literally storylines such as the CCC universe wouldn't exist because the Planet literally DIED in that storyline. The entire series takes place on the moon.

You get my point? Reading Comprehension!

Speaking of CCC, Amateratsu is straight up confirmed to be stronger than her. Arcueid isn't as much of a powerhouse as usual because The Moon Cell is ABOVE planetary authority and top tier servants are likely more Powerful than her at this point because the Moon Cell favors The heroic spirit legends over Planetary Authority.

Arcuied ISN'T A SERVANT with Heroic Spirit levels of Fame and Legend or Myth. Amaterasu is straight up stated to be difficult for the Moon Cell to fully contain and she operates on a Solar System Scale. Literally Arcueid's only chance is using an NP that makes opponents scaled down to 1/16th of their power but it's only to be used ON the Moon AND Amaterasu likely wouldn't let her do such a Noble phantasm cause real fights aren't gacha or games. Even if Arcueid somehow landed her Noble Phantasm (NP). It only gives her 0.00001% of winning. So that literally means she gets slammed regardless...

And Amateratsu by the way... Is a BEAST Class entity! Totally proving my Point that Beast Class are the true top tiers from earlier. Grand Servants/Heroic Spirits are powerful but not as powerful as Beast class threats.

They are just the specialized Swiss army knife to exploit the Emotional or structural glitch or cracks to a Beasts defence. There is literally no Grand Servant that has gone up against a Beast Class entity alone and won. It's always a whole force against the Beats Class threat.

So Arcueid isn't the strongest. She seldom ever has in the big picture. She isn't as powerful as a fully manifested Beast Class threat and gets outclassed by entities like Camozatz, Kukulcan and Goietia and Man I would honestly say Chaldea as a whole too because Chaldea fought hard to defeat someone like Goietia. I think if you switch Goietia with Arcueid, Chaldea and all of Alaya would have an easier time to defeat her than they did with Goietia.

'And let's be entirely clear about her Remake Luminary form. When the text mentions a 'miniature star' or 'Event Storage,' it is talking about a LOCALIZED conceptual anomaly pinned to the Earth's surface texture. It is NOT a literal star from outer space. Because it is bound to the earthly Age of Man texture, it has hard limitations and finite energy rules. That is why Shiki Tohno was able to perceive its conceptual lines of death and sever her connection to the ley lines, proving her 'peak' is entirely manageable by earthly means. It is a texture trick, not cosmic omnipotence. Reading comprehension!'

When you look at all of this scale? Let's be honest. Do you realize that chaldea should have been wiped out multiple times over? But they miraculously are not wiped out.

And what's more is that Chaldea has Beast class servants. You realize what this means? Their dog days are over!

"Where do I stand on ORT's Web / The Cosmic Tree network from Lostbelt 7 when compared to these Earth-bound systems?" On an argument that says that it wasn't in its full power because it had been absorbed a fantasy tree yet? They just caught themselves in a logical blender baby. So they're basically saying that in order for this Alien Spider to be full power and needed an artificial power up that was separate from its own power? That's a logical fally because the bat guy fought ort in its raw, natural state. ort wasn't any weaker.

If someone wants to say that ort was weaker and first should absorb a fantasy Tree in order to First go up against the bat guy you can argue then by that same logic the bat guy should do that as well because he was technically weakened because he didn't have a fantasy tree. you see the logical fallacy behind that? We have seen Beast class entities such as Lostbelt  Morgan le fae literally use fantasy trees before so we know that if he had access to one could very likely absorb the power himself and then your back to square one he's boxing an upgraded ORT while being upgraded himself.

how do I think a fully mobilized, modern Chaldea scales against the Alien God (U-Olga Marie) if we look strictly at their raw energy output versus her cosmic authority? dawg ... Brother have I got something for you. You know that Kukulcan literally blindsided the alien god as well as the Chaldea ship because she was being PLAYFUL and didn't know her own strength. She literally knocked them like flies. U Olga fell and was heavily damaged but then Camozatz awoke and was protective of his domain. U Olga still having Olga's inner heroic heart forgot she was supposed to hate Chaldea and literally stepped in to shield them from Camozatz. Giving them time to find somewhere safe. Then after being mismatched by Camozatz and Kukulcan from earlier at the same time. Tezcatlipoca swooped in and brutally stole her heart to give to Daybit Sem Void.

This is the "she was reduced to 4% power and gets memory loss but then tags along comical with Chaldea" timeline people seem to ignore.

She was no-diffed in Lostbelt 7 🤣

Olga Marie's personality after being exposed to the CHALDEAS While alive became the interface for the alien world system. The only reason that she wanted to destroy the planet is because was programmed into her by the CHALDEAS or Alien World System. Everything else? was just Olga. The plan to destroy the planet was fundamentally going to fail. Because Olga is fundamentally the heroic director who wants to protect Chaldea because "that's what a director does" in her core. She's also petty, prideful, boastful and clumsy. And these are all traits that we see the supposed world-threatening alien god exhibiting. She isn't cold or calculating. Those traits are more associated with her father, which is why I think people get it confused.

Daybit Sem Void was also in Lost belt 7 and he is more of the calculating type so I think people may have associated her to be that way as well just by being in the same Lostbelt which is ridiculous.

Yet the beautiful thing is that there isn't a lack of hope in this realization. There is an abundance of it because later when Olga actually recovers her memory she doesn't go back to her old programming. He chooses to help Chaldea. She CHOOSES TO REMAIN OLGA.

Why do you think Chaldea has U-Olga among their ranks?

Look at the canonical E-Olgas! Chaldea weren't treating them as generic enemies. They were helping their director get put back together!

Each E Olga's are all driven by human emotion and not by anything alien. None of them are solely the alien World System.

I think I have debunked the No limits fallacies of the Archetype Earth/the Alien god/ ORT. What do you think?

Thanks for reading and Change My Mind.

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Canon mechanics:

1. Marble Phantasm cannot do the impossible (Zero Probability Cap).

2. Goietia literally melts through the Earth's physical axis with hundreds of millions of Excalibur-class beams.

3. Tiamat cannot die as long as Earth's life exists, making Archetype Earth's own existence Tiamat's shield.

4. Camozatz proved Types can have their hearts ripped out by a Beast in a raw 1v1.

Copy these points, share them on your own feeds, and use them to break the bubble. Let's finally raise the reading comprehension of the Nasuverse community. Pass the message along!

What if all the True Magics already have a user? What should the rest of the mages do? Is there any point in even trying to reach the Root? Is it even possible to obtain True Magic if it already has a user?

Let's say Zelretch achieved the Second Magic through one path to the Root, and you find a completely different one. Or is that impossible?

In that case, if all the True Magics are occupied, but you still reach the Root, what will you gain? Just a boost to your magic? Some kind of transcendental knowledge? Is it even worth it?

And if everything is as I said, what will the other mages do? Look for a way to create a hypothetical Sixth Magic? Or will they find another magical path that doesn't require reaching the Root?

Strange Fake Season 2 SpoilersMine would probably be Thia vs Enkidu, Thia was finally able to roam free and clash equally with Enkidu & made him call upon the Counter Force.