r/technology • u/otter_lion_1956 • 8d ago
Artificial Intelligence Palantir’s Co-Founder Thinks We Should Be Less Judgmental About That Deadly Iran School Strike
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/09/palantirs-co-founder-thinks-we-should-be-less-judgmental-about-that-deadly-iran-school-strike1.1k
u/Tricky_Rule_4565 8d ago
I wonder which company is responsible?
And this is the guy who thinks we shouldn’t pass any regulations and not slow AI
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u/Suecotero 8d ago edited 8d ago
Palantir deployed Maven at the DoD which used Grok to select the target.
Then someone at the DoD greenlit the strike based on the faulty intel assessment.
The DoD command chain involved should go to trial for war crimes. Killing hundreds of civilians (children!) through gross negligence is a war crime. Palantir and Grok should lose all government contracts and be fined for misleading the DoD and failing to deliver reliable targeting data as specified in their contract, including possible jail time for the involved corporate executives depending on how much they lied about the software's capabilities.
That's what should happen in a normal country, but the US isn't a normal country anymore.
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u/S_A_N_D_ 7d ago
Imagine Iran accidentally bombed a school in the US instead of an airbase?
The US put people in Guantanamo for not wearing uniforms/being recognised combatants when targeting US soldiers... Yet they won't prosecute their own for killing kids.
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u/Suecotero 7d ago
"It's OK when WE do it" is an attitude Russia and the US seem to have in common. Superpower brainrot, if you will.
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u/Morguard 8d ago
He who controls the AI will be the most powerful person on Earth. They want to turn themselves into Kings.
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u/JMurdock77 8d ago edited 8d ago
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
— Frank Herbert, Dune, published 1965
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u/gravtix 8d ago
We’re gonna need a Butlerian Jihad in real life.
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u/JMurdock77 8d ago
Wrong read. Herbert never envisioned a Skynet scenario; men controlled the thinking machines. The entire series is a warning that a retreat into luddism just changed the tool of control being exploited by the ruling elites. The problem was always the ruling elites. Baron Harkonnen would fit right in with the Epstein class.
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u/dat_GEM_lyf 8d ago
And this makes their comment invalid how?
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u/JMurdock77 8d ago edited 8d ago
I’m saying that approach doesn’t solve the problem on its own. These people aim to reduce us to feudalism, beneath them. Taking away one tool doesn’t fix that on its own.
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u/rkiive 8d ago
The butlerian jihad targetted the machines themselves and not the ones using them as tools of oppression.
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u/Badtrainwreck 8d ago
No one will ever be more powerful than a united working class, but the masses have to be aware that these people want to crown themselves kings
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u/Black-Shoe 8d ago
The working class needs to stop voting for billionaires to fix their problems.
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u/No_Cover_6217 8d ago
If the politicians themselves aren't billionaires, most of them are backed by billionaires to do their bidding.
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u/No_Cover_6217 8d ago
When your
worklabor no longer matters, what power do you have? Because we're barreling towards that reality.9
u/TootTootMF 8d ago
The good news is no human alive could ever hope to control a super intelligent AI.
The bad news is no human alive could ever hope to control a super intelligent AI.
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u/Tricky_Rule_4565 8d ago
I agree that the people who control the most AIs of the future will concentrate power to a ridiculous degree. There is no good future with AI. If we just open source it then it is inevitable that some wacko will try to use it for nefarious purposes and if we don’t we’re at the mercy of the US government or private companies.
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u/orcvader 8d ago
I hear you, but, hear me out.
These technobros want to embed themselves into government asap because they know the “AI revolution” is smoke and mirrors.
The fundamental technology behind LLM’s is out. It’s open source. You can run local models at home (if you have a powerful enough computer) today and pay $0 in tokens or usage fees.
They know this. Every day the gap between the dozens (maybe hundreds) of free LLM’s and the “frontier” cutting edge models from Anthropic, OpenAI, and others is closing - and fast.
Their company valuations are obviously unsustainable and at some point someone has to pay the piper.
Their hope is to have enough guaranteed government contracts and other “protections” before the consumer tech becomes so good that you don’t need a $8,000 computer at home to run models that are - for the average user - as good as ChatGPT (but more secure, more private, and more efficient).
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u/Diz7 8d ago
If it happened on American soil it would be "Never Forget".
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u/nebulous-blob 8d ago
America forgets more kids being killed in school shootings than were killed in this bombing all the time. A lot of school shootings don't even register as major news. If anything it would be more apathy for dead kids.
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u/NearEastMugwump 7d ago
Yes, but this mass killing would be committed by brown people!!!!! who aren't Christians!!!! That's worse!!!
(Automod, this is SARCASM.)
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u/lightsworn55 7d ago
Unironically thats the logic these people run on. Ive had some mf straight up saying he'd offer his daughters as Trumps concubines if he succeeded in deporting all the non whites 😂
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u/NearEastMugwump 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah, that guy is the one who needs to get deported. To the sun.
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u/Koopslovestogame 8d ago
Nah it’s a school.
Remember all the pre-school shootings and all the legislation that they introduced because everyone thought enough was enough?
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u/CelestialFury 7d ago
Yeah, after nothing happened when the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre occurred, that was the point when American voters showed they were okay with the mass killing of children and with the election of Trump, who was best friends with Epstein, Republican voters showed they don't care about pedophilia either.
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u/TurtleMode 7d ago
Plus it’s the kids fault for being in school, they should have been out working to help the economy!
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u/SapientTrashFire 7d ago
Yes, but A WHOLE DIFFERENT COUNTRY DOING A FULL WAR AGAINST US wasn't the culprit.
We have fully guaranteed a forever-enemy by doing what we did to Iran and given their leaders a genuine "never forget" movement to rally their people for as long as necessary.
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u/Odd-String29 7d ago
The US has killed more kids since 9/11 than the number of people that died in those attacks.
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u/Important-Factor-552 8d ago
Well America is uniquely shameless and evil.
From anyone else such behavior is abhorrent tho. They should know better. America invented lead gasoline. Americans can't be expected to understand basic humanity. It is an unfair attack on American heritage, which is most brain damage and ads.
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u/ZenX22 7d ago
To some degree I think it's a world power thing.
For example I live in the Netherlands which is a pretty "good" country these days but it certainly was not the case when we were a global colonial power.
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u/Novel-Reaction2939 8d ago
This pyschopath happens to be the worst kind of zionist, he's a Kahanist.
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u/One-Reflection-4826 8d ago
we're ruled by psychopaths.
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u/thisbechris 8d ago
Treasonous, pedophile, psychopaths.
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u/nd_annajones 8d ago
It's not even a conspiracy, it's literal reality happening before our eyes in real time. How many years of ruined sleep does it take before we can class-action these people for pain and suffering?
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u/coconutpiecrust 8d ago
Psychopaths are the only people who want to rule. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy, unfortunately.
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u/Mute2120 8d ago
“If you’re evil you’re not bad and therefore you're actually maybe kind of good because at least you're getting something done.” -Peter Thiel
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u/Spez_is-a-nazi 8d ago
“It could be the case that somebody made 99 really good choices and then one bad choice and it led to a horrible thing,”
Um, yes that’s literally how liability works if you don’t have enough wealth to shield you from the consequences of your actions. A pilot who lands 99 planes safely then comes in to work drunk and crashes the plane will very much be judged on that fact and not the 99 times he safely landed the plane.
Secondly where the hell are you getting the “good choices” from? Not a single thing done in this entire debacle has been a “good choice”
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u/StewPorkRice 8d ago
Yea.. I’m pretty sure if Iran bombed my daughters school I would not be “less judgemental”
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u/DurantaPhant7 7d ago
“One bad choice” is a hell of a way to justify murdering ~150 innocent children.
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u/08-bunny_man 7d ago
”It was terrible what happened to the children (..but if it hadn’t we’d prolly be speaking Russian)”
If I had tomahawked a girl school I’d stop what I’d be doing and question my judgement for the rest of my days. But this particular dude is rationalizing it to be normal and needed.
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u/dimechimes 8d ago
A 1% failure rate is completely unacceptable when it comes to killing humans.
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u/Spez_is-a-nazi 8d ago
And a bunch of other innocent people died in their other target selections too, those just weren’t as egregious as the school.
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u/SomberArtist2000 8d ago
"No one ever talks about the vast majority of my life when I didn't go on a murderous rampage killing spree!"
-Man at his own defense trial
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u/SaphironX 8d ago
Man I don’t care if someone made 9999 good choices; blowing up over 100 children remains an objectively bad choice.
A really fucking objectively bad choice.
Then again it’s Palantir and the guys running it are complete fucking lunatics.
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u/Darkheart001 8d ago
You don’t get credit for the times you didn’t murder school girls, it’s not like oh only 1 in 100 is ok. Real people died.
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u/bokmcdok 7d ago
Trying to remember the amount of times Ive accidentally murdered a bunch of children. I think it's zero. I think.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion 7d ago
Especially when you consider step 1 is "So you have a stable peace treaty with a country but everyone keeps talking about how you rape children so you need to make headlines about something else" and step 101 is "and now there's a global gas shortage and diesel fuel runs out and regular gas is headed towards $6/gallon."
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u/EastHillWill 8d ago
Read the article in case this was taken out of context but nope, shockingly the Palantir dude is just a POS. Suggesting that Iran tricked us into hitting the school is really something. Fuck this guy and everyone like him
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u/Spez_is-a-nazi 8d ago
Which is a tacit admission that their AI is absolute crap, but he certainly won’t think through the implications of his statement.
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u/interwebzdotnet 8d ago
Palantir doesn't have their own AI in terms of an LLM. They use GPT and Claude mostly.
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u/chooseusermochi 8d ago
Jon Lonsdale, paypal mafia. He is just as much of a complete fucker as elon and thiel. Don't let him hide. Who would have thought that dumb ebay company would fuck up the entire world.
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u/dirtyword 8d ago
He is going out of his way to minimize children’s deaths. It would be really simple, as a public figure, to say: it was absolutely a tragedy, and wrong. Costs him nothing. The only reason not to say that is because he doesn’t care about those children’s lives, in his heart.
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u/zebrasareneat 8d ago
Hmm. Maybe I will be less judgemental about those planes that hit those buildings. America must have just tricked them into hitting the buildings.
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u/compuwiza1 8d ago
He can go to hell.
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u/NorridAU 8d ago
Like that is tangible. Put him in The Hague now.
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u/doomscrollah 8d ago
There is a reason why the Trump administration is trying to dismantle the ICC in The Hague ( https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvnl0elz47o)
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u/thisbechris 8d ago
I heard someone say once, “they can go to hell with gasoline drawers on.” I think that fits here.
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u/Fantastic-Swim6230 7d ago
Wasn't there a study that came out awhile ago that stated that a high number of CEOs were sociopaths?
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u/Angreek 8d ago
I’m American and I’m beyond offended that my tax dollars are being used to terrorize other cultures for corporation profit over anything that enhances my actual life. Fuck the US govt
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u/No-Double-Trouble 7d ago
Voting out AIPAC candidate is first step. If you can do that small step, it will open a big horizon for improving our country.
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u/DejongBCN 8d ago
Unbelievable you can say things like this publicly today.
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u/SmokedAlex 8d ago
Sadly, it has become totally normalized. It is disgusting.
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u/Aaaabbbbccccccccc 8d ago
If you just declare the crime publicly while committing it, apparently that’s a “one neat trick” certain people have found works.
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u/theDarkDescent 7d ago
Very important asterisk, *if you’re incredibly rich, white, and male
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u/camthedestroyer 8d ago
The wealthy and powerful have always been able to do that.
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u/polarparadoxical 8d ago
A rich guy with six kids is saying we should be less judgemental about mistakes that result in the deaths of others peoples children because it might affect his bottom line.
Asshole.
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u/xppet 7d ago
In a fair and just world, the person responsible would have been prosecuted and punished, but we don't live in one. Now, we are left dealing with leaders who can look at such a tragedy and simply say, 'so what?'
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u/Top5hottest 7d ago
But isn’t that the point. With AI making our decisions.. there is nobody to hold responsible. We are all free of accountability in the world of the future!
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u/JMurdock77 8d ago
SEVEN TIMES UVALDE. SEVEN.
If anything, we aren’t angry enough. And we can’t exclusively heap the blame on the AI, as much as they want to hold it up as a layer of deniability. Men chose this war. Men pulled the trigger. Men must be held accountable.
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u/BulbusDumbledork 8d ago
the tomahawk missiles hit each of the buildings centre mass. deliberate, precise strikes. they hit the school building; a medical clinic; a kids playground and cardiology centre; a second kids play area; a shop nezt to the play area; and an auditorium in the educational complex. the strike was done in the middle of the day on saturday, which is a school/working day in iran.
these strikes occurred over two separate waves, with a gap of an hour between them. local news already identified the school as such after the first strikes, with people rushing to the scene to help before the second wave hit.
the school had previously been part of the neighbouring irgc compound but was fully separated by 2015. palantir and the pentagon want you to believe the ai accidentally used pre-2015 data. but the geography of the two lots had changed materially since then, including some of the buildings that were precisely hit only opening long after the school was fully converted.
curiously, the compound with all these kids' facilities that were destroyed had other civilian buildings not primarily designed for use by kids, such as a cafe and a car wash. these buildings were not struck.
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u/Grumpy_Tanuki 7d ago
"these strikes occurred over two separate waves, with a gap of an hour"
Ah. I didn't know this, nor that they used 7 missles.
And I usually read all the headlines in my country and if I do not know something it's probably because they made their best efforts to hide it.
Obviusly the strategy to hit in a second wave is to maximixe casualities in first responders.
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u/bokmcdok 7d ago
They sent a SECOND wave?
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u/JMurdock77 7d ago
Parents of those children were getting urgent calls from staff at the school to come and pick their children up after the first strike. They moved everyone into the central prayer room, which they thought was more sheltered, to try and keep them safe. The second strike on the building then killed them all.
Gave enough time for everyone involved except those who pulled the trigger to suffer some psychological torment first.
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u/m3R000 8d ago
Well now I'm 100% sure palantir was involved in that strike one way or another
These people are so freaking evil beyond any human comprehension
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u/Mute2120 8d ago edited 8d ago
Peter Thiel: “If you’re evil you’re not bad and therefore you're actually maybe kind of good because at least you're getting something done.”
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u/DunkTheLunk23 7d ago
So if that same thing happened to his child, he’d keep that same energy…right?
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u/spudmonkey 7d ago
He has several daughters about the right age. Imagine if some random country blew up his kids....
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u/newfor_2026 7d ago
fuck these people. it's absurd they're saying these things and no one does anything about them.
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u/whichwitch9 8d ago
And I think he can go fuck himself with a rusty knife.
We can think whatever we want
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u/Jertimmer 7d ago
State of America:
Kill 123 children: ah, forget about it, shit happens
Kill 1 CEO: hunt that motherfucker down!
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u/SomeIdea_UK 7d ago
No. I think we should be more judgmental about these shitty human beings who value their bank balances more than the lives of 120 little girls.
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u/Timelord1000 7d ago
Yet more proof that no one should be allowed to become a billionaire/trillionaire and that wealth and/or success in business is no proxy for intelligence and/or the ability/right to govern the masses and/or make policies affecting others.
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u/MorbidDusk 8d ago
“They’re getting global sympathy by getting us to hit things,” Lonsdale went on.
What a depraved psycho. Iran didn't "get you to hit things". You shouldn't have been in that country to begin with. You and everyone involved in starting this war has blood on their hands.
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u/Common_North_5267 7d ago
"They’re getting global sympathy by getting us to hit things,” - Joe Lonsdale
In what demented world do these people live? This was an unprovoked war where the US are the aggressor, how are they "getting us to hit things" ?
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u/jmur3040 8d ago
Imagine saying this if it was your child who died in the strike. Like there was zero reason for this to happen. It would take no convincing for me to decide the United States shouldn’t exist anymore if my child was in that strike.
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u/Zestyclose-Height-36 8d ago
the are manufacturing terrorists to leverage more money for the department of war.
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u/snarf_victory 8d ago
none of his stated reasons would hold up in a high school-level debate.
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u/RedFrostraven 7d ago
"Come on, it's not like the children were white!"
-This guy, literally, and everyone who thinks he should not rot in prison.
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u/ptwonline 7d ago
Tech bros not exactly fighting hard to shake that sociopath label they have received.
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u/yawningintothevoid 7d ago
We are complicit in war crimes. Our government is complicit in war crimes. Palantir is complicit in war crimes.
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u/Timelord1000 7d ago
Taxation without representation means “we” are not responsible. Palantir, this administration and the individuals in Congress who support this are responsible. We must not let them hide behind a fake/non-existent public consensus to skirt accountability.
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u/YaBoiFarfour 7d ago
“It could be the case that somebody made 99 really good choices and then one bad choice and it led to a horrible thing,” Lonsdale told Reuters Global Defense Editor Joe Brock on Friday, in a talk aimed at investors. He also argued that Iran might have deliberately lured the US military into the AI-assisted targeting of two Tomahawk missiles at an elementary school on the first day of the the Trump administration’s war in Iran. The attack killed more than 150 people, most of whom were children.
I’m sorry this is unacceptable in my countries military. I strive for us to be better and do not accept this.
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u/Holzkohlen 7d ago
Hitler says we should be less judgemental about world war 2
Totally normal thing to say
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u/samurai77 8d ago
Everyday these tech bros say things that are more and more unhinged and show we don't need them at all!
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u/Ranessin 7d ago
Less judgmental than nobody going to jail or being banned from government contracts over hundreds of dead children?
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u/astroaxolotl720 7d ago
And I think that’s a depraved statement to make that demonstrates how the tech bro billionaires think lol
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u/Striking-Performer66 7d ago edited 7d ago
These rich fucks just keep proving how out of touch with reality they are. Cause if it was his kids scholl....
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u/PantaReiNapalmm 7d ago
such people will kill your children for few dollars more. They have no soul, no dignity, no heart, only bottomless avidity
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u/Capable_Delay4802 8d ago
Joe Londsdale is a moron. Not cause of his politics, he’s just an idiot who got lucky. Who cares what this guy says.
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u/Igarlicbread 8d ago
That doesn't rid them if their accountability, lot of idiots in power as of today.
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u/Ramoncin 7d ago
Yeah, it was no big deal. They were children of terrorists, and brown to boot.
But if the enemies of the USA pulled something like this, Fox News would still broadcasting memorial services and adding "Remember the school!" crawls to the bottom of the screen.
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u/Designer_Hat_6387 8d ago
every single person who died in that school is of more value to society than this piece of shit, may he rot in hell, as he deserves
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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 7d ago
Your technology murdered schoolgirls. I think we're not being judgemental enough. They should be in the dock at The Hague being tried for crimes against humanity.
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u/PhillNeRD 7d ago
A first strike by the most advanced professional military on earth knew what they were doing. It was calculated. It was a straight war crime. They want to blame AI. But we all know they knew what they were doing.
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u/ldssggrdssgds 8d ago
How's about this as a response: Merica shouldn't have started this in the first place.
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u/Ambitious_South_2825 8d ago
I can't say a whole lot about this other than I desperately hope this person meets the most unfortunate end.
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u/ReasonableDefault 8d ago
We hit a School:
Palantir: OOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!
It was a School in Iran:
Palantir: PHEWWWWWWWW
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u/ELLinversionista 8d ago
I fuckin hate how the human lives value is based on where they were born. These are girls for fucks sake. If the same thing happened to a school in the united states, the impact would be so different. But why???
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u/ReasonableDefault 8d ago
I think renaming from the Department of Defense, to the Department of War, pretty much sums up the attitude behind things like this. These incident are considered collateral damage in "war", and countries use the term when it justifies these kind of things.
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u/LightningRaven 8d ago edited 7d ago
You mean the US terrorist attack that murdered 100+ children? Or the subsequent war crime that killed the first responders to the terrorist attack? Or the third war crime that killed the second responders?
All so that oil companies can keep their profits high and Trump can manipulate the market to enrich his pedophile friends.
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u/Andreus 7d ago
I think we should be more judgemental. I think every current and former employee of Palantir along with every investor in Palantir should be jailed for life, and anyone who defended Palantir on the internet should be forced to write and read out a humiliating public apology or also go to jail for life.
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u/da8BitKid 8d ago
That's his perspective, got respect it. He's a sociopath with no shame. Act accordingly.
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u/TheLesserWeeviI 8d ago
The USA has never been particularly concerned about the safety of schoolchildren.
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u/PhazePyre 8d ago
Let me pose a hypothetical. If Iran struck the school his daughters, and possibly son attend. Would he say people should be less judgmental and forgiving of the people who struck the school with a missile? Or would he be rightfully angry?
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u/mister_obvious_2nd 7d ago
"Our crappy product made some grave error that resulted in the death of 150 schoolgirls but I think you guys should be less judgmental about that."
This guy..
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u/Eyesthelimit 7d ago
They did zero intelligence gathering on these initial targets. I believe the information was 10 years old. It was labeled a school on Google Maps and no one thought to follow up on that clue.
The US murdered those girls. Trump and BB murdered them. That’s the only take away that matters.
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u/RhoOfFeh 7d ago
It sounds like maybe he is starting to recognize that if and when people rise up, he's going to be one of the first in line.
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u/Striking_Assist_7715 7d ago
It really takes an evil demonic psychopath to be a C level executive doesn't it.
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u/No-Wonder1139 7d ago
You double tapped a school just for fun. Everyone involved should be in prison at a minimum. Not whining about being judged for it.
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u/AccomplishedBrain309 7d ago
And more judgemental about the software that caused it to happen. No freepasses for ai caused crimes. Hold the corporations accountable.
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u/VarietyMage 8d ago
Okay, I'll be less judgemental about that, and be MORE judgemental about HIM.
Fucking psychopathic asshole.
#BanPalantir
#ErasePalantir
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u/Piglet6482 8d ago
Yeah, you commit one little war crime and people just get so mad. Get out of here, loser.
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u/kstargate-425 8d ago
Of course they do since it was their software in the Maven project that chose that school as a target based off decades old information that Google maps knew about