r/politics • u/Anoth3rDude • 10h ago
Registration Wall Trump backtracks and begs Republicans to vote by mail as Democrats’ odds of taking Congress improve
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-backtracks-and-begs-republicans-to-vote-by-mail-as-democrats-odds-of-taking-congress-improve/1.2k
u/curiousthoughts20 America 10h ago
Trump never had any motivations other than staying in power, getting what he wants, and having people complement him
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u/transient_thought_CA 9h ago
A big motivator this time was to stay out of prison. Had Merrick Garland actually launched comprehensive investigations into Trump immediately after being confirmed, this entire administration could have been avoided.
I also believe that the only reason Musk helped Trump was to enact DOGE, as he and his companies were all under investigation for numerous labor and ethics violations.
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u/TaterForming 9h ago
I also believe that the only reason Musk helped Trump was to enact DOGE, as he and his companies were all under investigation for numerous labor and ethics violations.
Musk straight out tweeted that a Kamala win would mean a lot more "unfair" investigations into his companies.
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u/wasted-degrees 9h ago
Theres something fundamentally wrong with our economic and political landscape when we find ourselves electing rich people whose only goal with the office is to keep themselves out of prison.
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u/PowerDump_69 8h ago
Blame Reagan for this blurred line between corporations and government, he's the one that weakened that once strong border.
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u/Ryansit 9h ago
He’s so rich he never would have gone to prison either way
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u/ForwardBodybuilder18 8h ago
Yeah but he might have lost a little bit of the rich and made his workers lose a little bit of their poor and that is totally unacceptable. Far better to spend a couple of hundred million and make a couple of hundred billion. Things like money, quality of life, rights, security and happiness are like cake - for everyone else means less for him and that absolutely will not stand. /s
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u/bang_the_drums 1h ago
it's insane how blatantly corrupt this whole administration has been from the very beginning. Trump literally called it his revenge tour. Yet rational, reasonable people are still flabbergasted that he's an awful piece of shit every day.
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u/kpg_on_ao3 8h ago
His strategy was sound and probably the best. It's just time wasn't on his side. He took office March 2021 and immediately started arresting low-level people to work his way up.
This is how crime syndicate investigations work. Whether he moved fast enough is not for me to say, but to suggest he should've started investigating the guy at the top immediately is a bit ignorant. (It also assumes this wasn't done in secret from the start.) A year later he did hire Jack Smith to investigate Trump openly.
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u/randomnighmare I voted 7h ago
And there was that judge that basically stalled/slow walked Smith's case. SCOUTS ruling that president's has immunity, and Trump winning the 2024 election.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle 4h ago
Yep, Cannon did everything she could to shield Trump. She continues to do so by blocking the release of part 2 of Smith's report.
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u/Michael_G_Bordin 4h ago
SCOTUS did not rule a president has immunity. People need to stop saying this, because it's not at all what their ruling said or did. They ruled that a president cannot be indicted for things which were official acts (which is not as nebulous as people think), and cannot be indicted while in office (something about distracting them). They did not say whether or not Trump inciting an insurrection was or was not an official act. They remanded the case for a lower court to decide that, and then the DOJ dropped the case because Trump won the election.
The thing is, the president (and all elected officials) have always been immune from civil and criminal action based solely on carrying out their official duties. The Court didn't invent that out of thin air or pull it from their asses. All they did was say some weak-ass shit about "outer-bounds of duty" and send it to lower courts to sort out based on the facts of the case. Don't mistake me, it was a shit opinion by SCOTUS, but it didn't do what people keep saying it did. If a president shoots a person, that's obviously not an official duty, and they can be prosecuted for it (though it would have to wait until they're out of office).
This reminds me of how people say Citizens United made corporations people. That happened in the 70s, all Citizens said was that you can't limit private, for-profit corporations from electioneering (which overturned a case in the early 90s which said you can limit them via legislation). It's still a shit decision, but not for the reasons pop culture would have you believe. This actually happens a lot with Supreme Court cases, because they often explain things in excruciating detail and reporters aren't legal readers so they miss the citations.
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u/HelpersWannaHelp 6h ago
Um, under Garland Trump was indicted with something like 90 felony charges, in several states. Did you forget that? Or is your complaint about the speed, he should have snapped his fingers and made it happen like in the movies?
If only judges didn’t allow every attempt to delay. Trials were scheduled you know. If only voters didn’t vote for a convicted felon. He was in fact convicted with several felonies, again judge never bothered to sentence him. Why not blame the real reasons we are in this mess?
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u/VanceKelley Canada 5h ago
Had Merrick Garland actually launched comprehensive investigations into Trump immediately after being confirmed, this entire administration could have been avoided.
Also, if at least a third of eligible voters had voted against trump in 2024 then he would probably be in prison today. Regardless of the failings of Garland, the American people could still have held trump accountable. 69% of them instead decided to let trump have immunity from the rule of law.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 1h ago
One small, SMALL thing to Merrick Garland's credit is that it was incompetence not malicious compliance. Merrick immediately went about proving Trump's complicity in the January 6th riots by attempting to make a financial link between him and the rioters. Paying for their bus tickets, equipment, and organizing. The problem was that he didn't realize that Trump PAYS FOR NOTHING and a bunch of other people (like Charlie Kirk) did the organizing with most of the people involved there voluntarily. So it was months wasted on chasing a invalid avenue of investigation.
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u/sweetieberryy 9h ago
Years of sowing distrust in mail-in voting ended up creating a massive structural disadvantage for his own party. Reversing course right before the election proves how brutal the math actually is when you deliberately handicap early voting turnout.
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u/seriouslythisshit 7h ago
You now have a delightful mix of MAGAts that are so sickened by how badly Trump has screwed them and lied, particularly on Epstein, skyrocketing COL and the war, that they will just sit this one out. Then you have the dolts that are so stupid that they believe that he is their living god king, who only wants what is best for them, and is the smartest person on the planet. Those Amoeba level intelligence cult members have had the danger of mail in voting pounded into their gerbil brains for many years now, by Trump AND their handlers on Fox News, and will not change course at this point. They will just ignore the fact that the sweaty mango they worship has flipped his script.
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u/downtofinance Canada 9h ago
Staying outta prison was also a huge motiviation
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u/Educational_Race6342 9h ago
No prison for him. Vance will pardon
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u/transient_thought_CA 9h ago
Yeah, that whole Pardon power needs to be re-evaluated.
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u/FellowHumanNo404 7h ago
I see no reason that a temporarily elected leader should have unilateral power to commute a federally convicted criminal’s sentence.
Particularly when the pardoner personally benefited from the crime.
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u/slackfrop 9h ago
He truly doesn’t give a half a shit about this country. It’s just some piece of ass to him.
When the women won the World Cup in 2019 I remember feeling a lot of pride; but then it hit me that I was at such a deficit for national pride, it was really something I hadn’t realized I was missing. And we’re a 1,000 miles past that now.
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u/Willthisaccountlas 7h ago
Trump doesn't care about anyone beyond perhaps immediate family and even that is debatable. He doesn't see other people as real with their own agency, just as things to be used and discarded.
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u/pourtide 3h ago
Try being female in MAGAT America. The troglodytes are no longer hiding in the woodwork. They are trying to herd us back "into our place"
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u/HappySyntax 9h ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the people around him serve him fake news reports and fake activities to trick him into these dumb statements
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u/FunInteraction5596 6h ago
Fuck, I hate being that guy but I’m sure you meant compliment.
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u/PandaJesus 4h ago
He’d have to be, because Trump doesn’t want people to complement him. Trump believes he is the bestest and smartest person, so nobody could complement what he brings to the table.
He does, however, love to be complimented.
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u/amprather 10h ago
Someone final told his dumb ass that it is HIS voters that vote by mail.
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u/kstargate-425 9h ago
It probably also has to do with the SCOTUS-6 Shadow Docket ruling allowing him to use his database collecting voter data and then using it with the USPS even though they cant
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u/azraels_ghost 8h ago
And HIM, he last voted by mail.
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u/seriouslythisshit 7h ago
He regularly votes by mail. Kings do not concern themselves with the law. He sees no irony in ranting like a horse's ass for years, about how evil mail -in voting is, and should NEVER be allowed, then holding his mail ballot up, with that stupid grin, while his "wife" looks on in disdain. He votes as a king does, and the little people are to do what he declares.
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u/wildwolfay5 9h ago
Meh fucking the mail-in system has been a priority for a long time. I'm guessing he see's (wait, is that a word? Sees? Saw? Seeing? Meh) the polls and put him into panic "BUT PEOPLE NEED TO KEEP US IN POWER!!!"
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u/Shadraqk 5h ago
It’s an attempt to create the chaos he needs. Flood to broken mail system.
It doesn’t matter who they vote for chaos will create an alternate to counting votes and sets the stage for 2028.
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u/ChipDangerCockoroo 9h ago
A big factor that baffles me about their whole anti vote by mail stuff is that so much of their base is older.
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u/threehundredthousand California 9h ago
Trump used as it as vague reason the election was stolen. In Trump fashion, he must double down no matter what. He did the same with the COVID vaccine. He was somehow antivax and also trying to claim credit for the vaccine.
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u/Indubitalist 5h ago
Yep, it was all ego on this one. He said it was stolen, he in-part blamed mail ballots, therefore he must hold to that rationale, except for when his ego is at risk of being hurt in a worse way by something contradicting that rationale, which would be “him losing” this election.
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u/sanslumiere 9h ago
Similar to the logic of attacking masks and vaccines when older people most vulnerable to COVID are a big part of their voter base.
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u/JayR_97 United Kingdom 7h ago edited 6h ago
Same with the voter ID stuff they keep trying to push. You really think your average MAGA voter whos never left their home state has a passport? Could very easily backfire on them and end up helping Democrats.
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u/ChipDangerCockoroo 6h ago
Similarly with voter id they’d be disenfranchising married women who changed their last name compared to their birth cert if they don’t have a passport…
Democratic married women are significantly more likely to keep their last name after marriage.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 7h ago
they have all of elon's data (most of which was taken from government agencies via doge) on every voter now, they can selectively lose ballots for democrats while fast tracking those for republicans now
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u/MilaKunisWatermelon 6h ago
Your vote is anonymous. There is nothing that ties your vote to your name.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 6h ago
there's 17 other dimensions to determine if someone is likely to vote democratic or not. they don't have to know with 100% certainty. less than 5% of people register for the other party so they can vote in primaries despite not voting for that party in the presidential election, so just by knowing party registration of someone you know with very high accuracy if they'll vote republican or not, for example. there are many other data points that can give high accuracy all by themselves and when tied together they know very likely how each individual votes. someone who posts right wing propaganda on twitter all day every day they know to let their ballot go through the fast track, that's the type of data they have now. they have all our health data, they know to throw all trans people's ballots in the trash. they know rural voters vote one way 90% of the time, they can just fast track every single one and sure, you're right, 10% of them will end up being able to vote when they would rather they didn't but it doesn't matter statistically. you already know all of this though and want to give people false hope that the government isn't already doing this, as if we don't already see their gerrymandering and removal of voting sites in democratic areas and removal of post offices in democratic areas, they have the data to do far more targeted things internally at this point with the help of all the data they have. ai helps but isn't even necessary, just having the data which they now have is all they needed and you know it
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u/Vladivostokorbust 4h ago
they know how precincts vote - plus many states allow registering "unaffiliated" and you can vote in either primary in any given year (just not both) they know which primary you voted in but they don't know who you voted for. that's all they need if they don't know your party registration
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u/Practical_Chemtrail 3h ago
You are technically correct but the reality is that in order for your vote to be truly anonymous you would need to totally disengaged from any any all signals or behaviors that serve as a proxy.
For instance, where you live, what your income is, your education, your level of engagement with specific social media. The kinds of ads you engage with. Then we get more detailed, with regards to analysis of your digital presence and levels of engagement or disengagement with certain topics.
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u/ChipDangerCockoroo 6h ago
I need to believe that justice will come for Elon at some point. He has so much blood on his hands.
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u/Vladivostokorbust 4h ago
what has history taught us about evil rich men - how often do they get what is coming to them, or do we only remember the ones that experienced retribution?
world history is not my strong suit - I would love to know that it's on the side of good
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u/fultonchain 5h ago
This may well be the case. I expect losing a few percent registered Dem ballots for a few close races would be all it takes to preserve the GOP majority.
I'm optimistic that the Blue wave thinking is realistic, but without an unprecedented turn out and proactive state houses it may not be enough. Maintaining the status quo is always the easier route and if '24 proves anything it's that Americans are apathetic and lazy.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 8h ago
And rural
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u/ChipDangerCockoroo 6h ago
And they wanna defund the post office…obsessed with why the POST OFFICE isn’t profitable. Mfs…the first place getting dropped from cheap public package and letter delivery is your supporters houses in the middle of nowhere cuz yall are afraid of cities.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 6h ago
The USPS was profitable before Bush sabotaged it
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u/Theferael_me Europe 9h ago
I wonder if the private polling isn't even worse than the public data shows.
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u/a_little_hazel_nuts 9h ago
Alot of elections are won with a 1%-5% margin. The way it's looking, Trump is losing 1 in 5 people. It's bad. Trump won because he picked up alot of Latino voters and young voters and Republicans need to pick up voters to win. All those people they picked up are leaving and then anybody with their own ability to think are leaving the cult. Most people are very irritated at grocery stores, gas stations, job market, or housing market. The Republicans have nothing to run on besides culture war BS and it's very revealing.
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u/SomeDumbGamer 9h ago
Yup. This is it. There’s no middle left for the republicans to grab anymore.
People are either 100% maga or they’re just not going to vote if they hate democrats. But the people that got Trump elected are not going to vote republican this time.
The fact they’re spending as much as they are in Texas and places like Kansas should tell you something anyways.
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u/seriouslythisshit 7h ago
Yea, Texas is one thing, but when you need to show up in Kansas as Republican election operatives, set the money cannon to millions and let it rip, you are really, really deep in shit. Hopefully, fatal, "It will take a generation to recover from this" level of fucked.
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u/kent1146 5h ago
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed. And we deserve it.
-- Lindsay Graham, May 3, 2016.
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u/FantasticBicycle37 7h ago
young voters
This is the interesting one. Basically they were too young to remember his first presidency, and so all of the lies were new to them
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u/Tyrath Massachusetts 5h ago
For a generation glued to the screen, they certainly failed to use those screens to learn anything of the recent past.
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u/obliviious 4h ago
I pay attention now, but I definitely didn't have a clue what was going on at 16 (this was 20 years ago btw)
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u/_kraftdinner 4h ago
I think part of the reason they were more willing to vote for him than last time is that when they were teenagers, Trump was the president. So they just think, that at some level, his behavior is normal for a president. Which honestly thinking about the kids who now think this is how the world is might be one of the things that makes me the most sad.
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u/stealthscrape 7h ago
Yes, but he explicitly said all of this would be fixed after the midterms as long as republicans won. What are we supposed to do, not trust him?
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u/20_mile 3h ago
Trump is losing 1 in 5 people
If Trump is losing 1 in 5 voters--let's say they aren't even voting Democrat, but that they just don't vote at all--that's a generational bloodbath.
I'm disappointed (not really, I'll be traveling!) I won't be in the US for election week, but hopefully I'll find some people to watch the election results come in.
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u/Student___Driver 2h ago
Latino voters in the last cycle are the most glaring and stupid version of a group of people voting against their own interests. trump is a racist, that’s not even debatable. Stupid af.
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u/1000thusername Massachusetts 9h ago
Agree I am thinking (hoping) that there is a significant subset who would never say to a pollster or other person out loud that they are voting D and who either will or will just not go out to vote at all. That they’re worried about saving face in their “social circle” (using the term loosely because dayum…) and double speaking to anyone who asks while not intending to follow through.
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u/Teranyll 9h ago
I really wonder how large that group is. You know it exists, for sure, but I couldn't take a guess at how large or small. My hope's there too that it's significant
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u/Uncreative-Name 3h ago
I see this type of comment a lot and I don't really know anything that happens behind the scenes, but is there any reason private polling would be more accurate than AP or Gallup?
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u/escapefromelba 10h ago
Bullshit vote by mail is fraud - GOP voters should boycott the polls altogether to protest voter fraud.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 10h ago
Agreed! Follow the Democrat example and have them protest by not voting! That will teach them!
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u/Sufficient_Matter585 9h ago
Hear hear. I wish all Republicans would support this measure to boycott all polling stations and stay at home.
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u/thecreep 9h ago
lol, its amazing that few of them will catch the hypocrisy and clear lie that was told.
"Voting by mail is fraud"
"Ok"
Now, vote by mail"
"Ok"
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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 9h ago
They’re the same people who chanted “stop the count” for one state and “stop the steal” in another state on the night of the 2020 election. Somehow they’re well adept at keeping two opposing ideas in their heads at all times.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 8h ago
Well, he's said the quiet part out loud and told them to cheat so...
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u/Kincherk 9h ago
My guess is this is too late. Non MAGA who voted for Trump disagree with how he's run the economy and they hate the war. Voting by mail won't change that.
I'm not saying Dems are gonna win the Senate. But these hail Mary moves by trump are simply not going to change the minds of people who are feeling less secure every day as they spend ever increasing amounts of their paychecks on gas, groceries and utilities.
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u/kshell11724 9h ago
Same with his handling of COVID. Like youre just gonna get your own voting base killed with all this misinformation dawg. Its insane how dumb he his lol
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 8h ago
Part of why he lost 2020 is he lost the voters on the margins that carried him in 2016 due to Covid deaths.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 2h ago
Idiot.
Votes by mail but claims voting by mail is totally corrupt and should be ended. Fights hard with USPS to implement significant late stage ballot handling changes just before the election.
Now? "Please vote by mail if you have to!"
This man is a hypocritical absurdity.
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u/Sea-Jackfruit411 9h ago
He can't even keep his narrative straight but it won't matter because he called Elon in to "fix" it for him, like he did back in 2024.
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u/WallaceCreed 4h ago
People can’t get their brains to accept that Trump and Musk stole the presidency even when they’ve admitted it. Everyone will be all shocked when the midterms are merely a blue splash.
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u/InfinityComplexxx 9h ago
It's genuinely hard to believe anyone is dumb enough to support this man. Like truly.
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u/HapticSloughton 4h ago
Just a reminder for the MAGA that still want to claim voting by mail is something created specifically to keep Trump out of office:
Trump himself used voting by mail.
We've had voting by mail since the Civil War. It's not new.
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u/tcoh1s 7h ago
Holy. Fuck.
How does ANYONE still support this fucking chump?
He’s been saying mail in voting is cheating and needs to be stopped for years and years.
And suddenly he’s begging for mail in voting?!
How is this not completely transparent to his fucking cult?
God this shit is getting so old.
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u/Bzr21 9h ago
He should just come out and say it - that he only want Democrats prohibited from voting by mail - or voting at all for that matter ..
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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 9h ago
tbf republicans do just come out and say that It just doesn’t matter when they do as everyone still insists on taking them as a serious political party.
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u/1000thusername Massachusetts 9h ago
And let me guess he’s got a truck full of pre-completed ballots somewhere to mail in/drop off “as a public service”.
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u/Hobotronacus 9h ago
I still think they're going to try to rig this thing any way they can. EVERYONE needs to vote. I hate to steal their catchphrase, but it has to be too big to rig.
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u/Fresh_Cabinet5048 1h ago
Countries that have compulsory voting (more like automatic voting enrolment) dont have this issue... Australia has polling booths everywhere on an election weekend for example. And postal voting...
Maybe the USA should look at that whole idea..
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u/Ill_Bicycle_7423 1h ago
Pretty much any form of voting reform (or political reform at all) is impossible without uprising in the US because neither the Democrats nor Republicans will support anything that might weaken their grip on the system.
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u/woffdaddy New Mexico 45m ago
Republicans will do everything in their power to keep that from ever happening. they dont need to increase turn out, in fact, they tend to win when the middle stays home because democrats out number them.
Democrats wont push for that because they would be punished by their base for forcing them to do something.
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u/Fair-Craft8059 9h ago
he just says things
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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 9h ago
One of the few positives of being ruled by a severely demented mad king is that he has so many different schemes going on that he can’t remember what hes supposed to do for what. Unfortunately his handlers behind the scenes usually do a good job keeping him on their tasks but he seems like hes getting way worse lately so maybe they’re unable to control him either now?
Yay? 🇺🇸
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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 Canada 9h ago
Well, that's certainly a more effective method of making people not trust mail in ballots.
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u/mishma2005 9h ago
Trump is a cornered rat watching the cat waiting patiently for him. He will do, say and threaten everything to maintain his power. Oh, I hope America gives him the shellacking he so desperately needs
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u/Glad-Read-1952 7h ago
He wants republicans to vote by mail at the same time he’s trying to suppress The democrats
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u/JplusL2020 3h ago
This moron has backtracked on basically everything he's said and done this entire term.
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u/Psephological 9h ago
Not that I have much hope in the traitor state anymore, but if the Dems start taking the institutions back, you need to fuck these people up. The leaders need to die in prison and every single rank and file MAGA collabo needs to be keeping their head down for the rest of their lives and never speaking about politics again.
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u/thiefofalways1313 8h ago
I can’t wait for a day when there isn’t 100 different news stories of something crooked and stupid the President of the U.S. does or says.
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u/SuddenRadio6221 7h ago
If he can control which mail gets delivered, he'd prefer mail in ballots for everyone.
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u/cwatson214 6h ago
This is probably due to realizing how many republicans vote by mail, but the cynic in me thinks this is just cover for when they steal another election - "see, we told them to vote!" as they disenfranchise reliably blue areas using USPS
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u/Think-Willingness823 6h ago
Dear God, please pardon our sins in electing the stupidest human to lead us. We wholly admit our sins and will not vote for any republican again. We will wait for the true savior a (democrat) not the false prophet, to deliver us from evil.
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u/Ok_Drawer_6325 5h ago
That’s should be an advertisement for democrats. Clips of Trump saying don’t vote by mail.
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u/DodgyAntifaSoupcan 4h ago
Trump is so fucking stupid and spontaneous, it’s embarrassing to call myself an American.
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u/SandersonEye 4h ago
Elon just told him he can’t cook the machines the same way this time so now he’s doubling back
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u/realSwizey 2h ago
Oh no no no, it’s too fraudulent like he said, too much cheating and such right?
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u/guttanzer 1h ago
Amazing.
Not only does he wear clown shoes, he needs custom Velcro ones because he can’t tie knots. In another month or two he’s going to need light ups so his staff can find him when he wanders off.
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u/givin_u_the_high_hat 8h ago
He just realized they aren’t motivated to actually go to the polls right now.
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u/AmazingRefrigerator4 8h ago
Even if he tells them to, will the USPS be able to undo their Tucker fast enough? Or will Repubmican ballots just not arrive in time?
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u/Downtown_Mission_469 7h ago
Not even the name of the Republican Party remains!
Too much Win. Whaaa...!!
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u/MyModemIsSlow 7h ago
But.. But.. What will happen with National Unconstitutional Surveillance, Grifting the American People, and gRAPE?
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u/BabyGodx42069 6h ago
What a pathetic loser, what do the Epstein files say about Bubba? I've heard some rumors but I wanted to compare those to the files.
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u/SourceOriginal2332 4h ago
Why would he care if he can just rig it ? I was told he stole this election and we would never vote again under the one true king God Emperor of the World Trump
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u/restore_democracy 4h ago
Makes sense, he said voting by mail is fraud and they’re all about committing fraud.
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u/AlternativePizza3391 4h ago
I'm sure he has a plan to try and steal the election and when it fails he will have his goons storm the building again.
Dems need to prepare for this and the moment it's declared they win, send the military to protect the buildings
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u/Lollipopsaurus 3h ago
This really feels like an open admission that any and all policy related to mail voting will be mostly enforced in "blue" areas.
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u/Due-Signature-5076 3h ago
Giving the democrats a majority vote for the midterms would be a god sent for the world at large.
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u/hexcodehero 2h ago
Everyone believes Dems are gonna win this. We’re up like something insane, 15 points in the generic?
Gurantee we will BARELY scrape by, if we even win at all. I love in NYC and vote every election. And am constantly let down by less educated people all over red states who have been falling for the same BS propaganda their entire lives. It’s so fucking infuriating and makes me resent all of those people. Why are me and all my friends so on top of it yet the people who matter in swings states are just honestly not smart or savvy politically. I’m so fucking tired.
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u/bleakestholiday 1h ago
This man is likely the biggest loser and piece of shit to ever exist—Fuck Trump and his fascist turncoat supporters. Modern Nazis.
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