National Guardsman arrested in DC for carrying pistol without permit
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/oklahoma-national-guard-arrested-firearm/1.3k
u/Pangolin_cowboy_hats 2d ago
As if some random 1SG wasn’t already pissed off enough about this dumb shit
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u/DeezNutsInYoFace2 2d ago
I’m an older vet don’t think they’re a thing anymore but the E4 Mafia would be in your shit more than a DS and they weren’t scared of anything and rolled deep.
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u/toggiz_the_elder 2d ago
E4 mafia in my time (2000s) was more about avoiding doing any work.
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u/Weak_Swimmer 2d ago
You talking about the sham shield!? Yup, busy. Can't make formations or PT. Don't worry I'll do it on my free timr.
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u/DeezNutsInYoFace2 2d ago
Army infantry was different. They had free range. They’d do room inspections in the middle of the night. You’d have 6 of them in your shit for no reason at any moment. They’d have you out on the blacktop for hours smoking you until you throw up all while 1sg was watching.
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u/Pangolin_cowboy_hats 2d ago
Times like this I miss being doc on the line
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u/BearWrangler 2d ago
shoutout line medics for looking at our assholes, hooking us up with IVs in the barracks after a night of heavy drinking, and always having emergency cigs for the platoon
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u/Mr_Nerdcoffee 1d ago
I always have and always will have my grunts’ backs, any day and any time, every last fucking one of them until I’m in the dirt. Even if they’re being a whiny fucking cunt.
(POGs will have to visit during sick call hours and bring an offering)
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u/Big_Mr_Bubbles 1d ago
One of the best Docs I've ever had could run an IV blackout drunk. Perfect sticks every time. Then she'd do herself. I kinda miss the barracks parties. Forty to fifty people drunk as fuck with IV bags taped to their arms.
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u/MudWallHoller 2d ago
The side-eye and mistrust (while on watch) from your E-4 friends when you make E-5 is real, lol. I miss it then I remember that I don't.
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u/Thornwalker_ 2d ago
So I'm not military, but have enjoyed listening to the audiobooks 'the expeditionary force' and he references the E4 Mafia (which they explain ) but it's kinda funny it's a real thing. I feel like the author definitely understood the military on a deep level.
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u/paraspooder 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's not hard to not carry around a pistol if you're not supposed to be carrying a pistol. This person's chain of command is about to have a field day.
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u/TorrenceMightingale 2d ago
DC is a good place for one. Will likely be quite educational and relevant to their service.
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u/thrownaway99345 2d ago
It said he was pulled over for expired tags and told police he had a pistol in the vehicle I honestly didn't know you couldn't have a pistol in your vehicle in DC without a permit. I imagine getting a concealed carry permit in DC would be difficult for most so how would someone who wants a pistol for their home get it there?
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 2d ago
I believe there is a federal law that allows you to transport firearms in a vehicle through areas that may have restrictive gun laws but you have to carry them in a specific way (unloaded, in a secured part of the vehicle not accessible via the passenger compartment like the trunk, or in a locked container if there isn't a separate trunk space), etc.
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u/shoulda-known-better 2d ago
Yea in DC it has to be in trunk fully unloaded and ammo has to be stored away from the gun.... If no trunk the gun needs to be unloaded and fully locked up in a hard locked secure box away from ammo
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u/Fallouttgrrl 2d ago
I'm pretty sure it's state by state actually, and sometimes county by county
In Texas, where I grew up, some places the glove box was "not on your person" but some places it was, sometimes the trunk, sometimes your whole person included the car.
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u/jacgren 2d ago
It's federal, part of the Firearm Owner Protection Act to allow safe passage through states where your ownership of firearms would be illegal. It outlines how they're to be transported (with the usual grey areas involved with US firearm legislation) so that theoretically you can't be charged for illegal possession or carry in an "unfriendly" state.
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u/Fallouttgrrl 2d ago
That only applies when you are traveling from a state where you legally can carry to a state where you can legally carry, as part of transit
If you are not traveling from A to B across states, it defaults to local regulations
You have to know your specific location's rules so you can safely get from your home to a range. Cops can and will fuck you if they choose to do so.
DC is not a state and he was not transiting between states. Cops could and did fuck him
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u/fury420 2d ago
I'm reminded of the Americans driving from the lower 48 to Alaska through Canada, who don't consider that they need to follow Canadian firearms laws while doing so... and we have some serious restrictions.
An unauthorized handgun + some ammo is a serious offence that can get you a decade or more behind bars.
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u/turikk 2d ago
I wonder if they get away with things due the logistical ass that is traveling to Alaska by car.
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 2d ago
You're right that each state has specific laws about transporting firearms, but I am referring to the Federal Owner Protection Act!
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u/Fallouttgrrl 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes, the Federal interstate provision
The Safe Passage Provision (18 U.S.C. § 926A) of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) allows law-abiding gun owners to transport firearms legally across restrictive states, provided the travel is continuous and the weapons are properly stored
§926A. Interstate transportation of firearms Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
Edit: to be clear
He was stationed in DC, and the firearm is a personal weapon he can legally carry in Oklahoma, not an issued weapon
He was not transiting between locations and did not have the registration to carry the weapon in the destination location - DC
If he had been transiting from a place he could carry to a place he could carry, he might have been fine or he might have been hassled and had to have the courts clear it up
As it is, he just fucked up
The question of how much he fucked up is possibly determined by where he had the pistol and ammunition
If it was on his person or within reach of him from the driver's seat - which given his ignorance is pretty likely - he truly fucked up
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 2d ago
Yeah I should have been more clear that I was referring specifically to transporting a firearm in a vehicle through DC. (From the comment I responded to, "I didn't know you couldn't have a pistol in your vehicle in DC without a permit" I was thinking of an example where this would be possible). But I should have been more clear and I apologize for any confusion!
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u/shoulda-known-better 2d ago
That's across state lines.... This was coming from a point to a different point in DC
It needed to be in locked in the trunk or locked gun safe farthest spot away from reach, stored separately from ammo, and completely unloaded...
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 1d ago
I was specifically referring to a comment that someone was unaware a weapon could be possessed by a person in DC without a permit, and I cited FOPA as an example of such a situation. I think that's a little more clear in my initial comment, although I realize I should have been more clear that I wasn't invoking it as a defense of the NG member.
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u/Informal_Distance 1d ago
I believe there is a federal law that allows you to transport firearms in a vehicle through areas that may have restrictive gun laws but you have to carry them in a specific way
States abuse the fuck out of the wording in that law though. If you stop for gas you’re probably fine but if you stop for gas and a meal then you’re no longer “traveling through” and they can hit you for not following state laws.
If all he had was a pistol in the car that he was otherwise legally allowed to carry in his home state I’m willing to bet this is a mountain out of a mole hill.
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u/NealCaffreyx9 2d ago
It’s not impossible. Actually a lot easier than NYC & Boston. You take 2 8hr classes (sat & sun), take a test - pass, go to the shooting range - score a certain number of rounds on target, and then submit your fingerprints at the DCPD and wait ~60 days. The difficult part was transferring guns. No gun stores in DC so you have to buy in VA/online and transfer them to the DCPD for ~$100 transfer fee - they’ll also take any >10 round mags. So not impossible, just expensive. Source: did it in 2020/2021
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 2d ago
This is not entirely correct (although it probably was in 2020/21). There are now two FFLs in DC and both have online stores (although you can buy from MD or VA; shotguns and rifles you can buy and collect from out of DC FFl once MPD approves registration). You still go through MPD for licensing, but you now collect directly from the FFL.
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u/NealCaffreyx9 2d ago
Ok then that’s a massive improvement
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 2d ago
Well just wait until you experience the joys of their online registration portal and issuance of registration cards!
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u/style752 16h ago
Correction, only one FFL, as G&D is now defunct.
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 15h ago
Ughhhh, is that confirmed? I've done all my transfers through G&D -- just had pickup a few weeks ago, actually! Feeling like I dodged a mess.
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u/style752 9h ago
According to everything I've read and heard myself from local gun stores, yeah, they're closing up. DCSA is handling it pretty well, honestly -- but they shouldn't be one's only option for transferring handguns.
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u/Malnurtured_Snay 9h ago
That's a bummer. I agree -- it would be nice to be able to do the transfer through a MD or VA FFL like with long guns!
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u/No-Plenty1982 2d ago
thank god DC has these anti poor precautions in place
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u/NealCaffreyx9 2d ago
True. But Boston literally won’t give you one unless you’re a lawyer or politician lol
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u/No-Plenty1982 2d ago
NYC is even crazier, if you dont have a pistol permit you cant even hold a pistol at the store/if you do cant let someone who doesnt even touch it.
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u/AnimalBolide 2d ago
Is that an actual law or a store rule?
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u/jacgren 2d ago
It's state law, the NY carry permit and pistol permit are the same, so in the entire state you can't touch a handgun without a permit unless it's during very specific things like sanctioned classes. NYC adds even more restrictions on top of those.
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u/Washington_Dad__ 2d ago
A field day? You mean more paperwork and headaches because of this dumbass. Commanders don’t relish spending their time on this stuff.
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u/GreatGrapeApes 2d ago
No, field day, like tug of war, relay races, obstacle course, water balloon toss, egg and spoon, and so on. It's a hoot!
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u/ObligationMurky8716 2d ago
No, field day, like swabbing the decks from stem to stern!
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u/accidental_Ocelot 2d ago
Wouldn't it be "from bow to stern"?
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u/Kinetic_Strike 2d ago
No. The saying is from stem to stern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_(watercraft)
The forward part of the bow is called the "stem" or "forestem". Traditionally, the stem was a timber (or metal) post into which side planks (or plates) were joined.
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u/GrowlyBear2 2d ago
Always check gun laws before leaving your state. I mean check gun laws for your state too, but don't just assume every state has reciprocity because relatively few do.
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u/HomicidalHushPuppy 2d ago edited 1d ago
relatively few do
Loads of states have reciprocity, but everybody [should] know the big no-nos: DC, NY, MD, CA, [edit:] and NJ
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u/Inflatable90sChair 2d ago
IL as well. You have 24 hours to pass thru the state with any banned gun or its a felony.
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u/HomicidalHushPuppy 1d ago
"Just passing through"
When I helped my brother move, we took a number of guns through IL, but had to stop at the border to stow our carry guns.
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u/realestateqs22 2d ago
I would say NJ is worse than MD
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u/HomicidalHushPuppy 2d ago
Add that to the list (I used to be a gun nut, not anymore, so it skipped my mind)
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u/EX0PIL0T 2d ago
My state is ass backwards with gun legislation because Ronald Reagan was afraid of black people
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u/Overly_Long_Reviews 2d ago edited 2d ago
And this includes those covered under LEOSA (Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act). Which has been significantly and controversially expanded in scope in the last few years. It's a lot more permissive now when it comes to firearms and ammunition, but magazines aren't covered under the carry privileges. It's not a free pass to carry wherever and however you want.
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u/realestateqs22 2d ago
It IMHO shouldn't exist in the first place. Off duty Leo should have to deal with it just like everyone else is forced to.
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u/Overly_Long_Reviews 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's why it's so controversial. Because between state level LEO exemptions and the Federal LEOSA, it isolates cops from the worst of state level gun laws. They don't have to deal with the stuff that the rest of us have to. It's also arguably been used as a way to manipulate cops into voting certain ways because of the recent expansion of who is eligible.
The carve outs and LEOSA have led to a badge for sale market. Because you don't need to be full time LEO to be covered under LEOSA or use agency letterhead to purchase demo guns and restricted items. You'll see a lot of former-military turned civilian shooting instructors get hired on as reserve or auxiliary police officers at some backwater agency and use it as a way to more easily source NFA items, get around magazine capacity limits, easier access to things like NODs and IR illuminators, and bypass state level concealed carry laws. Notable examples being Larry Vickers and Chuck Pressburg. Vickers was using agency letterhead to illegally import automatic weapons and is facing a possibly lengthy federal prison sentence for arms trafficking. Pressburg, the "Roland" who came up with the "Roland Special" got drunk and shot his brother-in-law, he tried to badge his way out of the shooting. Pressburg is based in Eugene Oregon. The agency he managed to make a deal with to have him on their books as a reserve police officer is in the middle of nowhere New Mexico. In a town with a population of less than 400 people. The same agency that eventually got shut down because they were selling badges to various right-wing figures so they could enjoy the LEOSA privileges.
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u/daluzy 2d ago
Don't forget New Jersey with it's hollow point ammo ban, you know, for safety and stuff. LEOSA cannot help with this one either.
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u/Overly_Long_Reviews 2d ago edited 2d ago
Not true anymore. New Jersey does allow for hollow point ammunition for those caring under LEOSA, they lost that court case. The New Jersey situation was interesting because it only applied to retired LEOs, but those provisions were struck down by a federal judge. And some states do have specific LEOSA exceptions to state level laws that normally don't fall under LEOSA, others do not.
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u/bigbigdummie 2d ago
And this shouldn’t be. It’s a Civil Right, for crying out loud. Your rights don’t end at the state line!
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u/Peter_Panarchy 2d ago
Civil liberty, not civil right. Doesn't make a difference with the point you're making, but the terms do have different meanings.
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u/SerialSection 1d ago
That's bullshit. 1st amendment and 2nd amendment have been called civil rights far longer than people making new distinctions about liberty vs right.
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u/Popular_Wrangler9422 2d ago
Calling our states united is a joke. We are 50 third world countries in a trench coat. Just look how stupid a silly thing like weed is from state to state. Some places is $20 ounces. Some places it's completely illegal even Cbd.
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u/Right_Helicopter_758 2d ago
Third world countries is a bit of a stretch..
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 2d ago
We're everything from yachts and mansions to homeless orphans. And a third of us are so blind to reality that we think we'll be the ones to get the yachts and mansions if we believe hard enough.
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u/severed13 2d ago
And another third are so apathetic that they don't mind going down with the ship.
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u/mkmeade 2d ago
I’m always concerned when I read comments like this. People tend to forget the “well regulated” part and just think it means there shouldn’t be gun laws.
Also, your Constitutional rights don’t end at the state line, but the state you’re entering has the authority to create licensing requirements, per the Supreme Court.
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u/Inflatable90sChair 2d ago
And yet a few states outright ban half the gun market...or say what kind of ammo you can buy, outright banning certian calibers, magazine sizes, etc.
People would flip the fuck out if a state said you need to register with us what religion you are and were gonna ban any that arent christian or catholic.
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u/bigbigdummie 2d ago
“Well-regulated” refers to the militia, not the People. It means, in proper working order.
Licensing regimes are not presumptively Constitutional. They must be consistent with the history and tradition of firearms regulation, also per the Supreme Court.
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u/Any-Ostrich48 1d ago edited 1d ago
then maybe you should, I dunno, DO RESEARCH ON WHAT 'WELL-REGULATED' AND 'MILITIA' ACTUALLY MEANT WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN? 😒
1) "The militia" was understood to mean "every able-bodied man of fighting age". Don't believe me? Look up the Militia Act of 1792. Hell, it STILL has a legal definition even now- it's all able-bodied males aged 17 to under 45 who are U.S. citizens or have declared an intention to become citizens, as well as female citizens who are members of the National Guard. 2) "well-regulated" meant "in good working order".
"Regulation" as you define it is antithetical to the very purpose for creating the 2A in the first place.
Seems like YOU need to do some learning... Maybe start with reading:
• the Articles of Confederation
• the Declaration of Independence
• the Federalist Papers
• the Antifederalist Papers
• the writings and letters of Madison, Adams, Franklin, and Jefferson
• the records and transcriptions of all the debates and interviews that were had.The exact intent of the Framers and their reasons and justifications for them are layed out QUITE clearly. The only people who try this "but but but well-regulated militia" shtick are the ignorant and the intellectually dishonest.
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u/mrh99 1d ago
How many rounds could a gun from 1792 fire per minute?
The framers also didn’t give women the right to vote, so we shouldn’t have changed that either! /s
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u/GreenHorror4252 2d ago
Always check gun laws before leaving your state. I mean check gun laws for your state too, but don't just assume every state has reciprocity because relatively few do.
It's amazing how many "law abiding citizens" don't bother to check the laws.
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u/AudibleNod 2d ago
The charges came after a Metropolitan Police Department officer pulled Noonan over on Monday for registration that expired in May. During the traffic stop, Noonan informed officers that he had a firearm in his car.
The Broken Windows theory of policing in action. Stop someone for expired tags, nab a felony.
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 2d ago
Way back in the early 90s, I went to buy some weed. As I was leaving my buddy mentioned I had a tail light out and said "never break more than one law at a time."
If you don't want to catch a felony for having a gun you shouldn't have, try not to commit other crimes while you're carrying it.
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u/Greifvogel1993 2d ago
Exactly how a friend of mine got busted. Pulled over in a freshly smoked in car for illegal tint on the headlights that he was pulled over and given a warning for a month or two prior.
It was just an adhesive film he could have pulled off at any time.22
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u/NealCaffreyx9 2d ago
1000% most of the highway drug busts are due to speeding. Set your cruise control and camp in the right lane.
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 2d ago
Yup. I've watched enough sergeant curtis videos to know how that shit plays out.
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u/PieHole_Poker 2d ago
And for the love of God don't slam on your brakes when you see a highway patrolman parked in the median!!!!
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u/scrovak 2d ago
That's not broken windows theory at all.
Broken windows theory is that by allowing things like broken windows to occur in areas, it creates an environment where that is seen as acceptable, and facilitates increasing kevels of crime and misbehavior. The idea is that if you police the small shit like graffiti, loitering, vandalism, etc you can prevent an area from devolving into greater levels of criminal activity.
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u/Drak_is_Right 2d ago
How many injuries, deaths, and total damages a year comes from drivers that have let their registration and insurance lapse and shouldnt legally be driivng?
Honestly we arent strict enough about repeat offenders in this category.
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u/Bigred2989- 2d ago
I remember a case a decade ago where a woman from Philadelphia, PA accidentally drove into NJ and got pulled over. She'd just gotten her CCP and told the cop she was carrying, and was promptly arrested because NJ doesn't have reciprocity with PA. She lost her nursing job and only avoided jail because the NRA and other groups made a huge stink.
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u/Significant_Donut967 2d ago
Ooof recall formation and go lol. These guys are about to have a long weekend.
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u/thisisredlitre 2d ago
DC magazine limits were overturned in the last 12 months and Pirro's office wont press that charge anyway is why the second charge was dropped. MPD dont even ask for magazine size when you register anymore.
Also, this is who is being sent to "help police" DC. A bunch of volunteer idiots who don't know a fucking thing.
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u/TheMoves 2d ago
Them ever asking for magazine size when registering a firearm is hilarious because magazines are disposable and not an actual part of the gun. A Glock 19 that currently has a 10 round mag inside of it has a 10 round capacity, that same gun can easily have a 15, 17, or 33 round magazine without changing anything about the actual gun whatsoever. I know the people who set up these registration systems aren't always the brightest, but holy shit lol
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u/Grimwaldo82 2d ago
I think you mean interchangeable, not disposable. The magazine is meant to be used over and over again.
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u/TheMoves 2d ago
It's kinda both, eventually over time when you shoot enough, magazines will wear out and ultimately need spring or complete replacing. My point was that the magazine (in the case of removable box magazines obviously) is not truly part of the gun itself
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u/thisisredlitre 2d ago
Not often but sometimes it is. Like with an M1 Garand or a Keltec PR57. Not to detract from your point tho bc idk anyone who would carry either for ccw
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u/stewpedassle 2d ago
Them ever asking for magazine size when registering a firearm is hilarious because magazines are disposable and not an actual part of the gun.... I know the people who set up these registration systems aren't always the brightest, but holy shit lol
Kinda funny that you say all this while missing the actual point of a question like this. It allows them to ensure honest people don't break the law, and it gives them a way to pile on charges (and potentially increase the severity thereof) for dishonest people who are later caught even if it's unrelated (say being pulled over for an expired tag and finding the illegal component).
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u/NealCaffreyx9 2d ago
I’m not sure if this is still the case, but before you HAD to transfer your newly purchased firearm to the DCPD (can’t purchase a pistol in person across state lines & there were no gun stores in DC to transfer online orders) for ~$100 each gun. They would then inspect the gun, make sure it’s not a banned firearm, and dispose (steal) any mags >10rds
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u/JustafanIV 2d ago
Right, but as soon as the gun is transferred you can just cross the bridge into VA and buy the 33 round magazine since magazines are not a federally regulated item.
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u/thisisredlitre 2d ago
Transfers start at $120 or $125 for first of a group in DC now but they go through FFLs
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u/NealCaffreyx9 2d ago
Jesus. I guess on one side that’s a plus, but we’re talking about >20% of the overall firearm price (@ $600 otd).
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u/thisisredlitre 2d ago
Yeah its silly. One of the two ffl's brings down additional transfers to $75 if you do more than one at a time but that's it.
You can get a C&R tho and transfer appropriate things to yourself (following all the rules of registration etc)
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u/PluginAlong 2d ago
The problem comes in when you're caught with a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. Just because your car go go 100 mph doesn't make speed limits stupid.
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u/TheMoves 2d ago
Sure but you can buy magazines separately from the gun, you could easily only have a 10 rounder at the time you register the gun and then the next day you buy a 33 rounder. The question itself is useless, you get punished when caught with the extended magazine regardless
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u/synth_mania 2d ago
The army is good at being a military force, bad at being a domestic police force. I know the guard has an exception from the law that bans the government from using most other branches like this, but even so, outside of a dire need for police reinforcement, such as widespread looting and rioting, this feels like a misappropriation of taxpayer resources.
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u/thisisredlitre 2d ago
It is 100% a tactic to intimidate the local community now and a preamble for their greater designs, imo.
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u/KorgothBarbaria 2d ago
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-William Adama
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u/1046737 2d ago
Using the National Guard is a total anachronism from a different era, one where we didn't have 130,000 Federal law enforcement officers who are going to be more highly trained and equipped than your average Guardsman for things that don't involve artillery and fighter jets. But its a total political signal (that all governors use!), if you don't call out the Guard then your opponent will accuse you of doing nothing.
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u/synth_mania 2d ago edited 2d ago
Your average guardsman is likely trained well in putting bullets down range at human shaped objects, and operating their MOS's military equipment. Not policing.
I agree.
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u/PluginAlong 2d ago
I believe it's still pending appeal and not finalized yet. Just because Pirro has said she won't be prosecuting these offenses now doesn't mean she/Trump won't change their mind or that the next administration won't start prosecuting these offenses. The advice on r/dcguns from lawyers has been to hold off until it's completely settled.
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u/JoseSaldana6512 2d ago
Also Pirro might prosecute to try and raise the abysmal conviction rate she has.
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u/stewpedassle 2d ago
The SOL for carrying like this is likely 6 years. Though it is also a case that I wouldn't take before the present SCOTUS.
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u/sveeger 2d ago
Interesting comment on the article points out this might get thrown out because he’s on orders and therefore exempt from expired registration. Which makes anything found during the stop irrelevant.
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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 2d ago
Unless he had a giant sign on his car saying he was a guardsman on orders the stop would be valid and apparently he told em he had a gun, so I dunno that they'll toss it.
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u/DrPhunktacular 2d ago
An apparently expired registration is a reasonable, articulable suspicion for a stop, even if the registration turns out to not be expired. The stop is good.
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u/FRONTowardsEnemy 2d ago
Interesting to see which Command this will fall to. Thinking this may be a little higher up the Chain then a simple Company grade AR-15. I would guess it goes to the first commanding general in the chain of command. Also, his Battle Buddy failed him.
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u/TenguKaiju 2d ago
Why does the story keep changing? It’s come up in my feed 4 times and different outlets keep saying different things. First, the gun was on his person, then it was in his trunk, then it was in the glovebox, then it was inside the center console. What the fuck?
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u/groovyinutah 2d ago
A perfect example of how our 2nd amendment rights really aren't...
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u/GreenSmokeRing 2d ago
Oops! Felony = no more guns!
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u/vikinick 2d ago
My guess is he'll probably plea it down to some form of misdemeanor
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u/AugustOfChaos 2d ago
Probably a misdemeanor, but regardless that will be the least of his worries. UCMJ will be the fun part.
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u/Kooky-Law-5823 2d ago
Pretty sure it's generally a misdemeanor. As long as they're legally allowed to have the gun. They even have to give you your gun back.
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u/rbevans 2d ago
Isn’t that the whole reason why the Guard is there, because of all the gun violence
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u/The_Whipping_Post 1d ago
No. DC crime has been declining for awhile. The 3,000 National Guardsman, an entire brigade of soldiers, are in DC because...
They haven't made clear why
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u/Away_Wheel_9518 2d ago
Just another jurisdiction that hates the constitution.
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u/GreenHorror4252 2d ago
The guy in the white house sure does, and I guess he lives in this jurisdiction.
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u/Realistic-Raisin2812 2d ago
Anyone carrying a Canik should be arrested.
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u/verschee 2d ago
Guy was only 22, we all make mistakes. When I was 22 I bought a Springfield XD
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u/Haxxtastic 2d ago
How does a member of the National Guard NOT get provided a pistol permit?
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u/DarkDuo 2d ago
Because they’re only allowed to carry it while on patrol, he wasn’t on patrol, he was driving his personal car during his off time with his own personal weapon registered out of state
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u/85AW11 2d ago
...does Oklahoma even have registration for personally owned weapons?
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u/levinbravo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Exactly ZERO of the uniformed services “provide” service members authorization to carry privately-owned weapons, on or off duty. And there’s not a chance in hell his chain of command told him it was ok.
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u/thisvideoiswrong 1d ago
There are multiple levels to that.
One, he's not DC National Guard. He's from a far away rural red state, brought in specifically to terrorize the local population and kill anyone he's told to. Trump has talked about how much he admires the Tianannmen Square massacre, and a key part of it was bringing in soldiers from far away who wouldn't see the people they were killing as their neighbors. So DC would be foolish to bend over backwards to accomodate him.
Two, the military doesn't want soldiers carrying personal guns anyway. They don't get to just wander around with their government issued guns either. You can get a gun from the armory when you're ordered to do so for a specific purpose, at all other times it stays locked away. It's much too dangerous to just let people have guns on a military base, the violent crime rate would go way up, as would the number of negligent discharges, so they don't allow that. So they'd have no interest in helping him get the permit either.
So, any kind of authority that he might ask for help with getting a pistol permit is going to respond, "not a chance in hell." And will have very good reason to do so on general principle. The fact that this guy specifically seems to be a moron only adds to that.
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u/Dragonrider023 2d ago edited 1d ago
Many states doesn't require a permit for pistol. Only like 10 states requires permit and almost all of them don't have reciprocity laws. Bureaucracy at its finest.
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u/Blueboygonewhite 2d ago
We gotta throw this guy in jail, what a danger. A deployed solider with a gun. That was close! Thanks DC police for keeping us safe.
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u/Jogger_Dodger 2d ago
He's military deployed to D.C. to carry a firearm for Christ's fucking sake. Oh not that one, sorry
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u/Chucknastical 1d ago
Yes. In DC, the laws say you can carry firearms in an official capacity as a law enforcement officer or member of the military where you have codes of conduct, rules of engagement, and civilian oversight boards and what not but need special permits when you want to carry in case you need to shoot people independent of any oversight and based on your own personal judgement.
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u/ClintBruno 1d ago
So you think the national guard should be deployed to an American city just because kRiMe and people breaking laws.....but they don't have to follow those laws.
You people think you're slick huh
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u/No-Duck4828 2d ago
And all of the honorable members of our military are supporting him against this injustice and unlawful treatment
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u/Andalyn7 1d ago
Oklahoma doesn’t have a firearm registry, so not sure what “registered in Oklahoma” means, if he did in fact say that.
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u/SacamanoRobert 16h ago
That's funny because I saw a bumper sticker that said "my gun permit is the 2nd amendment." Maybe the national guardsman should mention that in court.
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u/1877KlownsForKids 2d ago
Just in time for weekend safety briefing!