r/nba • u/jabronified • May 27 '26
Highlight [Highlight] Jared McCain appears to make elbow contact with Harper's throat area, then backs it up on him and falls to the floor. Foul on Harper
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u/Double-Astronaut-372 May 27 '26
Now this is reffing
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u/Forte_12 Spurs May 27 '26
OKC fans are calling it physical 90s basketball 😂
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u/peachesgp Celtics May 27 '26
If somebody flopped like McCain does here in the 90s, somebody probably would have thrown hands and there's a pretty good chance it would have been one of his teammates.
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u/Mender0fRoads Supersonics May 27 '26
I get why the NBA clamped down on fighting after the Malice at the Palace, but IMO the lack of fighting is a major reason we have so much flopping and petty grabbing shit these days. Players used to be able to kinda keep each other in check when the refs didn’t. If it boiled over too much, fights broke out, but there were pre-fight measures that existed, too.
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u/Fletch71011 Bulls May 27 '26
Laimbeer probably would have killed half of OKCs roster by now. You used to have to really earn fouls.
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u/Prayray Rockets May 27 '26
Laimbeer would have fit in perfectly on the Thunder. He would do stuff like this all the time. If he had to play against them, he’d just try to one up them on both the physical play and the flopping.
Rick Mahorn, however…
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u/floridabeach9 May 27 '26
they really need to fall on the floppers even an elbow to the gut to brace a fall wont feel good
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u/GreedoInASpeedo May 27 '26
I was saying this last night. Make em regret that shit. Shai wants to fall into you? Let him fall into the elbow, shoulder, knee etc. They crumple like wet paper under you? Use their body as the floor to get up.
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u/JealousOpening2185 May 27 '26
Bro plopped down like he was about to hit pushups
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u/RoscoeSantangelo 76ers May 27 '26
This is literally straight out of the RDC skit they just posted lmao
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u/pr0crast1nater Lakers May 27 '26
RDCworld must have watched Thunder practice for real lmao. Their video ended up being super accurate for game 5.
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u/7thpixel Warriors May 27 '26
I'm going to hate watch the 30 for 30 on this team and how they practiced for this.
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u/J-tron23 Timberwolves May 27 '26
Okc culture 101
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u/geoduckSF Warriors May 27 '26
Do they train players on pulling this shit? Did McCain do this kind of stuff in Philly?
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u/22cmSoftInColdWater May 27 '26
Was thinking the same thing, they must train that stuff a lot. Gaming the rules really is their culture
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u/mongster03_ Knicks May 27 '26
Don't forget about the time they couldn't stand successful Black people, so they bombed their own city and killed everyone
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u/brianqueso May 27 '26
Are we taking the opportunity to shit on Oklahoma in general? I'm here to shit on Oklahoma in general. Most oppressive-ass victimhood in history.
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u/Dramatic-Tell- May 27 '26
Don't forget how they had successful black people and Oklahoma responded by bombing American citizens and committing a mass murder. And burning down the whole area.
Fuck Oklahoma. Fuck ass state.
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u/cire1184 Lakers May 27 '26
If anyone actually doesn't believe. I'm surprised it hasn't been wiped off by trump admin.
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u/8thriiise Hornets May 27 '26
Love the energy here. Much love to Greenwood, Archer and Pine.
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u/Fiendish-DoctorWu :sp8-1: Super 8 May 27 '26
Their musical isn't even that good
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u/NOLA2Cincy Lakers May 27 '26
And their university still proudly uses Sooners as their mascot. Pretty low.
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u/iDEN1ED Celtics May 27 '26
Except the rule is that this is an offensive foul. They changed it after CP3 did this a bunch. But the refs are so ass they just still give it to OKC. Glad I haven’t watched any of this series it’s unbearable watching OKC and the whistle they get
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u/dontdoit89735 Bulls May 27 '26
It really seems like they spend more time doing this kind of stuff than actually playing basketball at practice.
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u/Cosmo_Seinfeld May 27 '26
Okc culture 101
Are these guys the floppingest team in history? Also how dirty are they? Worse than the Pistons in the Bad Boys ers?
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u/ATXBeermaker Spurs May 27 '26
Thunder fans: “wHy DoEs EvErYoNe HaTe ThIs TeAm?!?!!!?”
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u/twomsixer May 27 '26
Then try to defend it saying every player/team flops and foul baits. Which is true to an extent, but they’re completely delusional if they really can’t tell the difference in severity.
I can at least respect a response that recognizes and takes ownership of what they’re doing, but defends it with “hey, whatever it takes to win, and it’s working”. Denying it just means they’re so far biased that nothing else they say has any credibility.
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u/ATXBeermaker Spurs May 27 '26
There is a difference between accentuating legitimate fouls to get a ref's attention and flopping when there is otherwise no foul. This is something OKC fans clearly fail to comprehend.
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u/psx-_- [HOU] Moochie Norris May 27 '26 edited May 28 '26
In this case, not only was it “otherwise no foul”, but it was also not a basketball play at all.
Your standard insurance adjuster can usually tell when someone backs it up on purpose for insurance fraud.
The intentional ignorance and assumed innocence of these actions in the rule book is 100% a good thing to have as a rule book, but taking advantage of it against the spirit is just damaging.
From there, breaking the spirit of the rule, you have people that feign ignorance of this phenomenon with any number of logical fallacies (mainly that it is prevalent), but you also create a “most effective tactic” against that spirit of the rules.
Even outside the augmentations of the rules that gets adhered to due to traditions of the game, there is also augmentation of the rules with these “ghost rules” where you are within the letter but outside the spirit.
There is a similar phenomenon in Golf right now as there was a removal of penalty when grounding a club in a “hazard (which no longer exists and has been redefined)”. As you are now allowed to touch your club “non-intentionally”, it has opened the door for people just saying they didn’t mean to. This same subjective ruling now also exists for a moving ball in play as well. Golf relies on self reporting, and tour players have openly confessed that you can just say you didn’t mean to.
Weird existence between letter and spirit.
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u/808Kuro Knicks May 27 '26
It’s crazy because he wasn’t doing this in Philly at all. It’s only when he joined the Thunder this started to happen
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u/LegendaryThunderFish Knicks May 27 '26
Same shit with hartenstein, completely different guy when he was on the Knicks
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u/WoweeZoweeDeluxe Spurs May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26
I was wondering about that, because I don't recall any of this in NY with him
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u/_gmanual_ Knicks May 27 '26
seeing him mean-mugging every time someone on his current team gets fouled* done been driving me a bit insane, recently.
I'm almost wanting him to win this series to see him try that ish at the garden. homeslice will get laughed out of the city.
and bonked on the head by OG.
*definitionofafoulisentirelywhatevertheextenderproclaimsittobethankyouforyourattentiontothismatter.
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u/ATXBeermaker Spurs May 27 '26
Coaching.
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u/_taugrim_ Warriors May 27 '26
Obligatory post of RDCworld1 video on OKC's practice after G4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77OU2f54MCY48
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u/The_NGUYENNER [DEN] Jamal Murray May 27 '26
Such gold. I love how much this has permeated into general culture. And at the same time you have OKC fans still convinced this is some niche opinion lol
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u/whatsthataboutguy May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26
Totally realistic fall...
He threw his legs back as soon as he felt the defender's hand.
What a joke. Hope OKC looses it all and the nba starts calling these flops next season. I have also seen the Spurs adopt this but not at the same level. Needs to stop or it's completely unwatchable
Edit: typo
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u/peachesgp Celtics May 27 '26
The league needs to crack down on this nonsense for the health of the league.
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u/fairlife42g May 27 '26
We need betting sites to put props on how often a player falls. Then the league will care.
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u/_Damien_X Spurs May 27 '26
OKC is going to make me a Knick’s fan next week. Gross. 🤢
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u/621_ Lakers May 27 '26
Bruh why he drop down like that
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u/Bubbly_Disaster_1328 Knicks May 27 '26
He plays for the Thunder. He didn't do this in Philly.
Caruso didnt' do this in LA or Chicago.
interesting hmmm
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u/imstupidandugly Knicks May 27 '26
It’s 100% coached into these guys. You feel any bit of contact? Throw yourself on the ground.
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u/PlasticSprinkles4677 May 27 '26
Are we hooping or flopping?!?
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u/TheAfroGod SHOOT 2023s HOUSTON TEXAS!! GO ROCKETS!! May 27 '26
Uh, hooping?
GET OUT OF MY GYM RIGHT NOW
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u/Kertia May 27 '26
Flop drills.
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u/weeman2525 Spurs May 27 '26
I'm not even trying to be a hater, but it's like they actually practice this shit. I've never seen a team play this brand of basketball.
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u/Silver-Elephant8279 May 27 '26
Has to be. There's a pathetic flop from IHart during the regular season where Gobert didn't even touch him. Not even Doris Burke understands where the contact was.
Would not be surprised if the narrative was too focused on it being just SGA for people to notice the rest.
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u/Winnes0ta :sp8-1: Super 8 May 27 '26
The fact they reviewed that for 5 minutes and still called it a technical was absurd. And of course Gobert got suspended later in the year for accumulating techs because of this.
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u/nigaraze Warriors May 27 '26
Holy shit this is the kind of stuff that makes you want to throw the remote at the TV and I’m just a neutral
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u/formershitpeasant Spurs May 27 '26
Imagine the effect it has on the mental of opposing teams..
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u/Plenty-North-2340 May 27 '26
Flopping wins championships!
Wait until the whole league catches on! (NBA is doomed if this keeps getting rewarded)
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u/liamjon29 Australia May 27 '26
I hope every team does it next year. Make every game unwatchable. People stop going to games. Revenue goes down. Maybe then they'll actually care and start calling flops technical fouls like they're supposed to.
I would love to see Spurs vs OKC reffed by FIBA refs. It would take less than a quarter for the starters to be ejected and then we'd get to watch a good game of basketball between the 2 benches
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u/MrFishAndLoaves Pelicans May 27 '26
Plumlee did nothing wrong
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u/floridabeach9 May 27 '26
refs dont mind flops, and they dont mind hard playoff fouls.
lets bring back the hard playoff fouls.
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u/xjohnkdoex May 27 '26
That what I’m saying. If they’re gonna call bullshit fouls based on okc performance then foul the shit out of them as long as you are going for the ball.
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u/Outrageous-Dig-8853 Wizards May 27 '26
Literally hit his chest and he threw his head back.
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u/Groundhog_fog May 27 '26
If you don't like that, you don't like NBA basketball
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u/HolyHotDang Grizzlies May 27 '26
To be fair, none of us like this except Thunder fans. I’d be so miserable if I had to actively root for and try to rationalize this.
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u/FubuFranklin May 28 '26
Dude it's delusions at this point. I have buddies from Oklahoma. It's unbearable. Have you ever argued with someone from Oklahoma? It's like talking to a brick wall, but the brick wall is stupid.
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u/oneson9192 May 27 '26
I don’t watch the NBA but this just popped up in my feed. Yikes.
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u/geoduckSF Warriors May 27 '26
This is how the nba hopes to make new fans apparently.
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May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26
They practice flopping 100%, everybody on this team is way too good at it.
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u/LakersAreForever Lakers May 27 '26
WTF kind of basketball move was that?? Never seen no shit like that dude just throws it back on his opponent and then flops
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u/Reticent_Fly Raptors May 27 '26
He didn't even really throw his back into him. There was barely any back contact to be had with how quick he flopped down to kick his legs back. He just anticipated contact and hit the deck...
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u/LakersAreForever Lakers May 27 '26
By throw it back I meant him throwing his ass back
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u/AreolaTickler May 27 '26
Yeah if you fall you probably don’t kick your legs back like that m. Okc if you’re seeing this please make your flopping drills more realistic
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u/zincinzincout 76ers May 27 '26
Trae Young and Brunson at least used to feel contact from behind and leap straight up and launch a shot at the backboard
This is shameless from McCain :/
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u/sentientbasketball11 Knicks May 27 '26
OKC so awful to watch that we got 76ers fans defending Jalen Brunson
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u/IPissExcellentThrows 76ers May 28 '26
I am sad to say that I will be heavily rooting for the Knicks if the Thunder advance. I fucking hate the Knicks, but take away Brunson's flopping and he's still a fantastic player and the Knicks are an excellent team. Plus Kat's whistle is ass.
I can't say the same for this Thunder team. Had no business even making the finals last year. Should've lost in 5 once they made it. Don't deserve to win this series. And if they beat you, I'll be shocked if they actually deserve to.
I hate the Knicks because I'm a Sixers fan. I hate the Thunder because I'm human.
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u/Pettifoggerist Bulls May 27 '26
This move has been around a long time, and I associate it with Chris Paul, but this is an egregious version of it.
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u/J-tron23 Timberwolves May 27 '26
Yup it took a challenge to literally show OKC fans but they still look the other way.
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u/justmefishes NBA May 27 '26
They have the dumbest crowd I've ever seen. They act outraged any time a call is overturned even if the replays (which they also show in the arena) clearly show it's the right call. And they chanted "flopper" to Wemby at the FT line because the San Antonio crowd did that to SGA previously, apparently not sentient enough to appreciate the difference.
It's really like 5 year old cognition: If something bad happens to me, regardless of the circumstances, "it's not fair!!" If someone rightly calls me out on something I'm doing wrong, "no, you!!"
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u/gwords16 Knicks May 27 '26
Isn’t Oklahoma dead last out of all the US in education? The whole “dumbest crowd” thing kind of explains a lot.
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u/TomatoBuster01 Warriors May 27 '26
No way they don't. You don't get to be that good in this corny art without spending so much time perfecting those shits.
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u/Mechant247 May 27 '26
This is quite obviously a bad flop though, his legs fly backwards and he makes it blatantly obvious what he’s trying to do. Problem is that they still reward it!
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u/sixwax May 27 '26
This group of professional athletes falls down more consistently than any I've ever seen.
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u/Boss_Os 76ers May 27 '26
Their flop drills got them looking like Sweet Dee's wacky waving inflatable tube guy dance
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u/fOrEvErEvA8550 76ers May 27 '26
Absolutely pathetic.
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u/2112Lerxst Raptors May 27 '26
I don't know if the league realizes it or not, but if this shit goes unpunished or even rewarded there is a chance you get a whole generation of fans turning away from the league.
It's already happened with some people only watching college due to how sloppy a lot of the fundamentals are officiated in the NBA, but this is an entirely new level. We can excuse a carry or travel as not important, but turning what used to be hard aggressive playoff battles into whiny flop fests fundamentally undermines the reason we watch sports in the first place.
No one gets an emotional attachment to teams or players who don't seem like they are battling, pushing through adversity etc.
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u/BeamsFuelJetSteel Timberwolves May 27 '26
Or you get the Plumblee followup, where he made sure McCain actually got hit in the back.
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u/byrel Rockets May 27 '26
i mean people longing for a return to 90s basketball will just have teams with a few enforcers that are going to come in and just feed hard fouls
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u/IWouldLikeAName Bulls May 27 '26
I'm the only guy at my job watching the playoffs lmao half the dudes don't care anyone the older ones are just watching college ball like you said
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u/Willyr0 Nets May 27 '26
Okc running flop drills in practice but the big issue this season was tanking
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u/Affectionate_Reply78 May 27 '26
Maybe they secretly engaged with the Italian national soccer team for lessons.
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u/noni3k Suns May 27 '26
How can you not hate this team.
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u/FantasticFox1641 Lakers May 27 '26
I had OKC flairs yesterday trying to tell me that the Heatles and KD warriors were equally hated. Maybe they were hated but atleast they were entertaining to watch. Who the hell wants to watch this?
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u/colorful_theater Knicks May 27 '26
They were hated because they had all time hall of famers and some top 5 players playing together in their primes and running through the league which, at the time was seen as weak because old heads wanted to see these all time greats go at each other, not join up.
This OKC team is hated because they make the game look weak af. OKC fans don't know ball.
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u/asagO2 May 27 '26
Also the Heatles and KD warriors were fun to watch at least, the thunder are genuinely unwatchable
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u/DavidForADay May 27 '26
This is the actual difference.
You could watch "The Decision" and "The Hardest Road" and still enjoy basketball.
Watching OKC is painful.
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u/27Yosh Lakers May 27 '26
I'd rather lose seeing Dwade to LeBron lobs and Curry 3s than by SGA FTAs
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u/IWouldLikeAName Bulls May 27 '26
You could hate watch the heatles and you'd see an all time great performance by lebron in 2012. You could hate watch the KD warriors and you'd have at least 1 of 3 dudes scoring like 30 in a half lol.
You tune into the thunder? 30% Shai looking smooth as hell 70% him flailing around.
It's just ugly to watch and not even in a gritty way.
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u/itssensei Cavaliers May 27 '26
OKC fans seem to think we just rally to hate the champs.
It’s just not true, I think the last time I felt this way has to go back to the 2007 Suns Spurs series LOL.
When Celtics won, I was like damn the team is mad balanced. When Denver and GSW won, I thought Jokic and Curry were playing out of their minds. When Bucks won, admittedly I thought they had an easy path, but I still thought Giannis showed why he’s at the top.
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u/DefNotAnAlter May 27 '26
Yeah they were hated last year BEFORE they won anything. Usually people like to support small market underdogs, but it's actually insane how much they foul on defence, and after a series Thunder fans will post FT differentials like they weren't the team trying to foul every possession
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u/Cudi_buddy Kings May 27 '26
Exactly. They were just too damned talented. They didn’t have to resort to bush league shit like this to win. Thunder are bitches
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u/GuyWithNoSwagger Bulls May 27 '26
They don’t know anything, they’re last in education for a reason
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u/27Yosh Lakers May 27 '26
Think of how dumb the median sports fan is, then combine that with Oklahoma education
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u/McGinnis_921 Minneapolis Lakers May 27 '26
Those Heat and Warriors teams were hated for a completely different reason mainly because they were stacked rosters.
Meanwhile the reason why OKC is mostly hated outside of their fanbase is because their style of play (constant flopping and diving) is disgusting. In my opinion, this type of hatred is worse and more despicable.
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u/justmefishes NBA May 27 '26
Bingo. It's like if you're playing pickup hoops and the 3 clearly best players insist on playing together-- lame as fuck, but whatever, let's get on with the game. What would be infinitely worse is if one team keeps calling bullshit fouls whenever they miss a shot, but plays linebacker defense on the other end and get defensive any time you call a foul against them.
The first situation is an unfairly stacked pickup game, whereas in the second you don't even have a real game of basketball in the first place. In the real world, acting like that is going to cause a fight and the game just won't continue. In the NBA, that behavior is somehow supported and rewarded night after night by the referees.
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u/Stonebagdiesel Pacers May 27 '26
I’ve been wondering about this myself, I remember hating those teams because it felt like they “cheated” in assembling these super teams. But at the end of the day they played “ethical” hoops. Looking back at those teams without the emotions of the time, the highlights are a blast to watch.
But this okc team feels like they are ruining the sport. They are just so locked into taking advantage of the rulebooks blind spots, something that every team does to an extent but it’s the Thunders X factor. Just flat out bad sportsmanship.
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u/AppropriateArt280 Spurs May 27 '26
I hated GSW cuz they had all the cheat codes. This team is just unwatchable.
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u/maak_d May 27 '26
I don't watch a lot of basketball but I turned the game on last night and caught this play live. The call is insane. I expected the announcers to react and point out that nothing about that was a foul caused by the defense. But I guess they're too used to it?
OKC had 5 plays that were some variation of this in the hour I spent watching. Then I turned it off because it was not interesting or entertaining in any way.
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u/J-tron23 Timberwolves May 27 '26
And that's why over time if they dont fix this the NBA numbers/ratings will drop. A great insight from a casual perspective and very telling where the league is going if they dont course correct.
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u/Call555JackChop Suns May 27 '26
How can you not hate the entire state of Oklahoma
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u/YerrrKnicks Knicks May 27 '26
People always look for ways to defend OKC's flopping but there's literally no way to defend this.
In the position that he was in, if Harper actually put enough force into McCain to knock him over he would've toppled forward and not been able to kick his feet out like he did due to the pressure applied.
In this however, as soon as Harper touches him he kicks his feet backwards and they end up under Harper while he makes no forward momentum and just falls straight down.
This shit is disgusting. They 100% practice flopping as a team.
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u/kb24fgm41 Lakers May 27 '26
That is awful
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u/CaptainCap39 Lakers May 27 '26
Worst basketball I've ever watched in my life
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u/Abraheezee Lakers May 27 '26
For reals. And the fact that league keeps letting this happen is criminal. Like they literally could fix this overnight if they wanted to over one Zoom meeting with all the refs. But they don’t. Because they want to preserve the storyline.
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u/CaptainCap39 Lakers May 27 '26
They're insisting that SGA is some generational talent when all I've been seeing is he's a generational flopper. Shits ridiculous.
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u/Humble_Bumble_Me Lakers May 27 '26
I wonder how much of their off-season training is about getting calls
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u/Muted-Woodpecker-469 May 27 '26
I thought they reviewed elbows or any contact to the neck or face?
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u/ad51603 Cavaliers May 27 '26
He hit him in the upper chest area. Doesn't meet the criteria
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u/greenday61892 Celtics May 27 '26
At what point do teams just decide, "hey if we're gonna get called for any attempt at defense why not at least earn the fouls" and just start super hard fouling them
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u/DJMagicHandz Celtics May 27 '26
This is the shit we're complaining about OKC fans.
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u/Dudemanbrah84 May 27 '26
It’s so hard to watch the NBA anymore
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u/denverblazer Trail Blazers May 27 '26
Truly. It's actually angering and at times and other times makes me rather sad because I grew up watching and loving 80s-90s bball. Really sucks.
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u/ripkin05 Hornets May 27 '26
And thanks to nelson changing how they count their ratings they get to say "highest ratings in the history of the NBA" while leaving out the fact that every T.V show on every channel is doing the same since they now count 1 t.v being on as 5 people watching instead of the 2 it used to be.
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u/Relevant_Bag7550 Knicks May 27 '26
SGA did that same move with Champaigne. Thats gotta be in their playbook lol
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u/unlikedemon Spurs May 27 '26
And people were criticizing Castle for saying OKC play physical defense but when Spurs play the same way they don’t get to because of calls. I know Castle did dumb fouls but his statement is still true.
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u/Fair_Pie_5927 Lakers May 27 '26
Leagues been fucked for years shoutout Adam Silver
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u/I_Set_3_Alarms Celtics May 27 '26
I ain’t watching Game 6, Thunder are just so unenjoyable to watch.
If Spurs force a Game 7 I’ll watch and join the rest of the world in rooting against the Thunder
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u/fgbh Lakers May 27 '26
See, OKC.. You got me agreeing with a Celtic fan!!
That is the damage you've done to the Basketball world!
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u/japalian May 27 '26
I swear all the nba is these days is rage-baiting engagement with fans through controversial officiating. Joke of an entertainment product.
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u/Chrisdkn619 Lakers May 27 '26
What kinda forward flop was that?! OKC isn't earning many fans outside of OKC with this shit
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u/yosisoy NBA May 27 '26
That's called the chest, if you get elbowed in the throat you don't keep running
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u/IReallyLikeAvocadoes 76ers May 27 '26
McCain did not play like this here. Insane coaching to actually engrain flopping into the fabric of this team's playstyle.
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u/archenlander Rockets May 27 '26
To destroy the game of basketball just so this dog water team can win is such a travesty man
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u/75Almanac May 27 '26
I honestly tried to watch this game last night, I did. But it being a Tony Brothers Special and after this play I was done.
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u/marionsunshine Bulls May 27 '26
Pathetic officiating all quarter, half, game, series, season, 4 year window?
Just brutal. The flopping needs to be called a tech.
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u/who-needs-a-username Celtics May 27 '26
That bitch literally hoped on the floor and they called a foul. Thunder and refs are a joke
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u/Left_Jeweler4397 May 27 '26
Okc fans think the refs are biased against them btw
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