r/mildlyinfuriating • • 8h ago

Ruined by Technology When we’re not looking, Alexa displays the wrong time. I finally caught her on video.

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u/Mooch07 8h ago

Which means Alexa is watching you too? Do these models have a camera? I’ve never seen one of these. Maybe just a motion detector. 

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u/Maximum_Fly_6628 8h ago

It responded to his voice.

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u/long_leged_plant_199 8h ago

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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u/cinnasota 6h ago

autism response

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u/patrickl96 ORANGE 6h ago

Makes sense. I too browse reddit on mute — mostly cos of ads :(

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u/Maximum_Fly_6628 6h ago

"Hi I'm Ozem-" PLEASE STOP MAKE THE NIGHTMARES STOP

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u/RoabeArt 8h ago edited 8h ago

It's got a camera but it also has a shutter to block it out. OP's appears to be closed. Also he's well within the view of the camera but it doesn't seem to detect his presence until he says "Alexa..."

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u/BigDeuceNpants 8h ago

We have one. It has a slide you use to cover the camera. Ours stays unplugged unless we want a radio or make a call while cooking or something. Hopefully the wife will get rid of it soon.

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u/send_fleet_pics 8h ago

uh get a radio and use speakerphone? wtf do you need the spyware for

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u/lost_horizons 8h ago

Your smartphone is spyware too.

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u/cardiganfan2015 7h ago

Apple is way more secure and privacy-oriented than Amazon. Worlds of difference.

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u/istheremore7 7h ago

They're great at marketing that's for sure

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u/Capybarinya_nya 7h ago

well, no one need more of it, do they

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u/MotoJoker 7h ago

Yeah you are crazy if you think this is the only thing tracking you. I hope you are commenting this from a library PC and you carry around a pager and have the few remaining local pay phone locations memorized cause that device in your pocket is tracking far more than these things.

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u/send_fleet_pics 7h ago

I'm writing on a Fairphone with degoogled Android. Also the idea that just because some things are spying on you, you should get even more things that spy on you, is stupid as fuck.

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u/3DigitIQ 7h ago

☝️💯

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u/MotoJoker 7h ago

You are still getting tracked my guy. I don’t have a home device or anything akin to it, but I don’t see how it’s any different from the tracking device in everyone’s pocket. Whole thing is unavoidable at this point.

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u/Spid1 7h ago

Do you have a tinfoil hat too?

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u/BigDeuceNpants 7h ago

She wanted one and now keeps it unplugged. I just let her do her thing. And can’t exactly select the exact song you want on the radio.

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u/send_fleet_pics 7h ago

You said radio. So is she just uses it as a speaker, why not just get... a speaker?? me no understando

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u/BigDeuceNpants 7h ago

You can tell it what songs to play. Set reminders. Crap like that. She used it for a bit now it’s unplugged. I dunno what she does. I can’t read minds. I let her do what she wants.

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u/EasedCeiling586 8h ago

Yeah this version has a camera 

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u/NathanDeger 8h ago

could just have a PIR sensor but I also would not be surprised if it also has a camera.

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u/WalterWilliams 7h ago

Nah, no PIR, just camera. Looks like an echo show 8 and looks like it's suspending UI while not being used which is the right thing to do.

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u/Mooch07 7h ago

Why would the -not UI- have any time at all on it? A placeholder? Since the beginning of time digital clocks have either used 12:00 or —:— as a placeholder. 

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u/WalterWilliams 7h ago

Updating the screen takes processing power, memory, reading from storage, and electricity needlessly if no one's looking at it. It's the same reason iPhones have variable refresh rates (or ProMotion) on their screens where the screen can stay on all day on the lockscreen without affecting battery life as much. Updating to a default 12:00 or --:-- takes more power than just doing nothing.

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u/Mooch07 6h ago

Assuming it stopped updating on 7:00 then? That could make sense. 

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u/c_marten 8h ago

By default, last i knew, Alexa is constantly listening and recording regardless if you 'wake' 'her' or not.

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u/Magic_mousie 8h ago

It has to be on some level, in order to hear the wake word.

I believe the official line is that that processing is done locally. Iirc without an internet connection she will respond but just reply I'm having trouble connecting.

Safest to assume always listening, same for smartphones tbh. I know they say they're not, but I've had ads for things I've only mentioned verbally. Could be good guesses but it's happened like 4-5 times now.

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u/wonkey_monkey 6h ago

It has to be on some level, in order to hear the wake word.

Yup, but then even just hearing the wake word does, I think, have it dialling home immediately. I think this is to double check if it's a legitimate wake.

If someone on TV says "Alexa", I see the ring light up but then immediately turn off. I assume it sends the wake word home for double checking, but then the servers say "No, we've heard that exact intonation 100+ times lately, it must just be a TV show."

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u/GitEmSteveDave 5h ago

TV and Radio ads use a specific process to have it ignore the wake word.

We've been having wifi issues where I work, and there are times when the network drops, and our Alexa will wake to the word, and then when it can't get to the web, tell us that the internet is down. But it still doesn't activate for commercials on our TV, which is 2' from it.

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u/TheNinjaFennec 3h ago

Yeah you're pretty much spot on. When the onboard wakeword model is triggered, the network stream opens and the cloud-based validation layers run on the audio data. One of those validation layers is audio fingerprinting, which includes both static fingerprints for things like first-party Amazon commercials that can be pre-baked into the models, as well as dynamic fingerprinting for the scenario you describe. If the same exact invocation audio is received a hundred times (or whatever the thresholding formula is), future requests are cloud-suppressed.

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u/spicy-whale 7h ago

It recently came out that LG televisions have build in mics that listen and send their data back to LG. They also were caught spying on devices over hdmi and allowing any app developer to use your home network as a proxy

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u/WalterWilliams 7h ago

Yes because that's how voice to text searches work. The entire video was deeply flawed and sensationalized. Anyone who understands how mDNS works and how a lot of this works can see right through that nonsense video.

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u/spicy-whale 7h ago

Ok maybe I was a little bit fuzzy on all of the technical details, but the philosophy of all of the LG heads was quite plainly evil.
“We own the glass” “the lg living room”

They frame everything around how they own the tv, the right to advertise to you, and they invest so much into data harvesting and brokering.

Also you the hdmi spying, that’s just plainly disgusting no matter how you look at it

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u/Safe-Gas2074 7h ago

I mean... it has to... How else is it going to hear when you 'wake' it?

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u/c_marten 7h ago

It's more the 'recording' aspect of my comment that people should be focusing on.

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u/Wild-Video-5317 6h ago

It's constantly "recording" in the vaguest sense.  There's a small circular audio buffer that keeps a few seconds of audio in memory, only to be immediately discarded by the next few seconds of audio.

If your phone responds to "hey google" or "hey siri", it's doing the exact same thing.

If you actually prompt the device and it recognizes the wake word, then it fully records your prompt and sends it to the cloud.

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u/iHateThisPlaceSoBad 7h ago

I cant imagine having this shit in my house.

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u/dziedzic1995 6h ago

I had one of those. If you have an app, you can connect to it at anytime and watch your room through it.

Yes, it does have a camera, and i'm pretty certain they can detect movement.

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u/Sethalopoda 3h ago

I don’t think that’s what’s happening here, but here’s something to think about. A year or so ago I actually read a really interesting journal from some college in Germany. They were saying that because things like WiFi signals are so common now they can actually be used to basically “see” in public spaces. They even tested it where they were essentially able to scan peoples’ faces and identify with a fairly high rate of accuracy in an airport. The consensus was that the general public should be concerned though, because intelligence agencies have better options already and it shouldn’t effect most folks.

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u/S1ayer 41m ago

I think so. Mine is completely black until I deliberately pick my head off the pillow to look at it. And my shutter/mute is closed.

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u/cinnasota 6h ago

If you actually watched the video, a voice prompt was what prompted the display to respond.

But you didn't.

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u/Mooch07 6h ago

I had the sound off. Thanks buddy 👍