I wanted to see the pre generation arc, not a wet power scaling fantasy about Gap.

This arc both frustrating and disappointing at the same time, frustrating cause of how easily better this arc can be with such minor change, and disappointing cause years of build up is met with dissatisfaction.

Reading this chapter made me sick to my stomach, like Rei and Gap are both disgusting in their own ways. None of this even needed to happen either.

Every single chapter Gap seems to be regressing as a character, at this point there is nothing he can do to make me like him.

I was okay with all the plot armor stuff but this is just too much.

What do u think Abt these guys acting like the characters in a hypothetical live action series.

There are some more characters and I can't even think about hating them. If any of you hate these characters just because of powerscaling or toxic fanbase, shame on you.

As we know, PTJ messes with the timeline a lot. Events can barely manage to coexist with each other, and up until the recent chapter, he was fumbling this part of the timeline.

Gap becoming head of Seoul, the formation of zero generation, how quickly everything was moving- most just didn't fit the pre-established timeline that was fed to us before. However, his losing actually fixes it.

As mentioned in the Busan arc, he traveled across the entire country of South Korea, standing up for people who couldn't protect themselves. It didn't make a lot of sense with how stuff was moving so quickly, but now it does; it could potentially be him retreating and training across the country to become strong enough for his rematch.

The statement that he fought against multiple UI users doesn't really make sense with how fast the story was going, but if he were to be retreating after his loss, that would actually make sense now. It could be that a bunch of UI users were tasked with chasing them around the country, ordered by a Yamazaki.

I can go on with more examples, but you probably get my point. Him losing and going through a training arc makes pre-established events make a lot more sense now that he's lost

He has aura but lacks charisma.

All of their Gen 0 friendships feel extremely forced and exist solely because of the script.

He’s a shitty father.

And he has the worst fighting style in the series—the most tedious to watch and the most predictable.

Punch with conviction — I won.

Punch with conviction — I didn't win — hard punch with *more* conviction — I won.

The character with the most hype—touted by everyone as the strongest—turns out to be that?

I hope PTJ improves him, but I find it unlikely.

Lately, I’ve noticed a repetitive trend flooding this subreddit: a surge of posts fixating on the "sexualization" of female characters in PTJ’s work. It has reached a point where these critiques feel less like genuine media analysis and more like low-effort bait for engagement or a thinly veiled attempt to push a specific narrative.

It is worth asking why there is an insistent demand for "strong female fighters" within the context of a gritty, hyper-masculine gangster manhwa. When a creator is operating within a specific genre framework, forcing an external standard of representation often ignores the narrative intent. Furthermore, the hyper-scrutiny applied to every single panel featuring a female character has become exhausting. If the community is going to react with bad-faith allegations every time a female character appears, one has to wonder: is it even worth it for the author to include them at all?

I’m opening this up for discussion because I came across another post today that perfectly encapsulates this frustration. I intend to break down those arguments and address the absurdity of the current discourse.

Let me read her lines and respond...

"Genuinely wtf, last time i made a post complaininh about this issue sexualizing female fight scenes, many of u said that it's a small matter and I'm exaggerating."

Well, its not just exaggerating but its severe exaggerating... 99% people don't care AND it's just artistic choices.. you can always drop the manhwa if you don't like it.. complaining about something so useless is peak reddit behaviour ngl

"Whenever this eunha bih uses technique, they always show these kind of panels, it doesn't make sense..like u guys should had BELIEVED ME !!!"

Lets say you proved that ptj did this on purpose.. so what? Nothing changes... we still appreciate the art and panels

"Like... Can someone just explain how do they even RELATE!?"

It's just artistic choices.. many male characters' torso is shown during power up and no one cared... its just a female torso

"I'm just mad Abt people who made me the weird one complaining Abt this sexualized manhwa females,"

I mean.. you are weird tho... show me one relevant dude in lookism with realistic proportions and maybe I'll hear you out

"it steps the fun away, and NO I don't want another person commenting some weird manhwa panels stating that it's for fan service,"

Oh really? So what are you doing now?... yest it takes the fun away and yes you are just another person complaining about something useless like ts.. honestly even taking your time to focus on this panels and making a legit post on ts says a lot about you ngl...

" I know and it's disgusting using visual appeal to get fans, it's such a pathetic and cheap way to climb to the top."

Okaaayyy... but who decided that... you probably meant to say you "think" this is disgusting but it really isn't..

Lets see what fanservice means...

Fan service is any material—such as a scene, character cameo, or inside joke—intentionally added to a movie, show, or game purely to please the audience, rather than to advance the plot. It originated in Japanese anime and manga, and can range from visual titillation to nostalgic easter eggs.

See? Its not soke evil conspiracy... fan service is just fan service and it doesn't even affect the story because mostly its less than 0.001% the story and you may not even notice it...

It's really important to always downvote such performative posts complaining about sexualization and stuff and then posting that exact panel to get upvotes...

The performative post fatigue is so real duh... its always artists job to make characters aesthetically pleasing and appealing so more people read and watch.. and ts is not cheap or disgusting... if it eas then every pieace of media is cheap for using attractive actors, art or pretty proses or good music...

Disclaimer- do not attack the original person who made this post, ts post is only for discussion.

My favourite one has to be the last🥰

Which panels do you think the Chinese team did a better job on?

And which ones did they do worse?

Had to remove the shingen bath panels or else this would've been taken down😰

Beside that, we can clearly see his spinal cord is completely broken which should have paralyzed gap logically or just straight up death, like how can one recover from this?. Also please dont say "its unrealistic from the start" and force me to accept it

Dawg all that vs One Man

Cannot believe they even share the same surname "Kim" because one managed to "overcome" his lust and choose his dignity over it. While the other guy who represents overcoming itself got succumbed to his lust and eventually got killed by the being born from his lust.

Now I understand why Manager Kim is the true Main Character of Generation 0 in PTJ universe not Garpyoung Kim a false Main Character

And without Copy too, so Johan and Jinyoung are excluded too, these two don't have any powers that are unobtainable to others and only a select few have, they are the pinnacle of talent because unlike others they started with nothing and climbed to the top, the only non genetics merchants in the high top tiers

Original plot of lookism, looks matter, has been rediscovered I guess😭

I always thought Conviction was power gained from wanting to protect something so strongly. I am pretty sure it was implied in the busan arc. But so far he's just using it casually anytime he likes.

I didn't get the impression he's trying to protect Korea or cares that much. He just got up and said he would "save the world" on a whim.

Also in lookism all top tier fighters have either trained for years or fought many fights against other top tiers to get as strong as they are or even just coming from a strong bloodline.

There has been no indication that he trained like crazy or has fought like crazy because reporter Kim and jinyoung had never even heard of him before.

It feels like we know why other character are as strong as they are. But this guy that is supposed to be top 1 just seems to have magic purple hands for no reason

Edit: I am adding this reply I gave to someone to make my point a bit more clear

My point is that every character is strong for a reason Almost all of them did hard work including some people you downplayed in your message. But yeah they are strong for known reasons.

1. Talent e.g James but he also trained and fought kings to get as strong as he is
2. Bloodline. E.g Gun. Yamazaki bloodline gave him talent, UI, blackbones etc but he has also fought the yamazaki and most of the cast in Korea
3. fighting style e.g Goo . He comes from a lost sword style that can clearly be seen to be an elite fighting style that allows him to be a top tier
4. Battle history. E.g Kitae . He is known to have battled and conqured Mexico
5. Conviction. E.g Jinrang. By wanting to protect his brothers and Busan so badly it gives strength to his fists and makes him smth of a top tier
6. Monster physique. E.g characters like tom lee, shingen, basement hulk seem to have strength boost from how big they are.

Etc These reasons aren't exclusive to the examples btw for example James has Talent and battle history, Kitae had bloodline, battle history, monster physique.

You get the jist

Gap doesn't have monster build (ik he is ripped but he's average sized) He doesn't seem to have a fighting style He doesn't seem to have battle history otherwise he'd be famous He doesn't have bloodline as far as we know And it hasn't been shown what he wants to protect so badly that gives him conviction

So why is he so strong