r/lakers • Luka’s Lakers • 9h ago

[BB-Index] Bronny James Report card, what is his ceiling?

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u/crimedawgla 8h ago

Second best LeBron James in NBA history.

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u/2xxCheezy 9h ago

This report card brutal

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u/Score-Mobile King James 6/23 8h ago

Yeah i wouldn’t let a report card tell me something different than what i watched. For example, this gave him an F for perimeter defense. He’s not that bad. He is at least average perimeter defender.

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u/Glum_Ad_8367 LeLuka 8h ago

Where do these report cards come from anyways, I feel like I only started seeing them this offseason

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u/OpportunityNext9675 8h ago

Bball index, creators of the LEBRON advanced stat. These grades are all results of their analytics data.

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u/carlonia 6h ago

Problem is that people have started treating this as gospel, when it can be flawed

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u/popps_c 24 6h ago

Clearly it’s flawed because it says he’s only 3% LeBron, when he’s at least 50% by DNA and 100% LeBron by name.

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u/LudwigNasche 9h ago edited 8h ago

In a league with 450 roster spots available he recorded the 475th best BPM last season meaning he got outplayed by dozens of Gleaguers and guys under 2way contracts.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2026_advanced.html

By the way I do my best to be fair, BPM was his best statistic, after that he drops further.

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u/PrawnProwler 7h ago

Stats like this don't matter when you're trying to compare very low minute guys. Like, unless you think Ty Jerome was statistically the 8th best player when he plays

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u/Count_Sack_McGee 50 8h ago

In fairness he basically was a G-Leaguer last year. He barely played

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u/LudwigNasche 8h ago

PER average is 15, Bronny didn't reach that number even in GLeague

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u/WanAjin 6 8h ago

Does any statistical number mean anything when the player doesn't get meaningful minutes? If the Lakers have seen him improve over this offseason and he gets actual minutes this upcoming season and he sucks, then that's a different story.

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

No. Also a lot of advanced stats show bronny was worse in 25-26 than 24-25 but anyone who has watched the games know that that isn’t close to the case

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u/floppy_foul_merchant 8h ago

He put up those numbers in garbage time, imagine how bad they would look if he was given "meaningful minutes"

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

I mean in the first 4 games vs the rockets his production was largely the same with better efficiency

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u/WayAdministrative679 Luka Magic 77 8h ago

Sure but you really can’t judge a player based on 8.9 minutes of garbage time next to players who aren’t of NBA level talent 

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u/Clayp2233 5h ago

In April he had 4 games in which he played 15+ minutes and scored in double figures for 3 of them

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u/floppy_foul_merchant 8h ago

Yeah but at the same time he was also playing against people not of NBA talent too, that was my point. If he were given meaningful minutes against NBA level talent he'd look even worse. I got nothing against him personally even if I think his fans are delusional and a bit weird and think he's a good dude but he's just not very good.

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u/illsquee 7h ago

I like Bronny. Realistically though, he should not play any meaningful minutes on our team. If we need Bronny to play, our team is in trouble =[

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u/throwmeinthetrassssh 7h ago

I don't think it's very valuable either when he gets two minute stretches a time. If they could narrow down the sample to games where he played 10 or more minutes I think it would have enough metrics to actually say something

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u/grey_log 8h ago

If he can become Jordan Goodwin it would be so big for the team. I'm not too optimistic tho

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u/Xtra2022 8h ago edited 6h ago

It's sad. I was always hoping that with his athleticism Bronny would evolve into a bulldog, tenacious POA defender who'd pick up the opposing PG full court and harass him over the course of his 10 mins or so on the court. Someone like a Davion Mitchell, Kris Dunn, or prime Avery Bradley. He'd be a useful 15th man if he can hound on defense and hit some threes on the other end. Sadly, Bronny doesn't have the dog in him, nor is he a good offensive engine. Really nice kid though.

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u/Agitated-Cow4 3h ago

It often does come down to that.   He has the physical tools to be that type of player.  He clearly works hard. But to be that type of player, you have to have that mentality. I haven’t seen that fight from him. 

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u/fhfbcc 11m ago

Dude he turns 22 in a few days and is the second youngest guy on the team he’s still a developing player

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u/Tangentkoala LA Clippers Lurker/ 5.12.1997 9h ago

DJ Mbenga

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u/BurnVote 7h ago

CONGO CASH

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u/Score-Mobile King James 6/23 8h ago

Ehhh…Hate to be that guy to ruin a fun little joke. One guy was 7 feet and the other is closer to average human height. I would say Bronny way better even just off stats alone. But if Mbenga could go 7 seasons bronny could double that.

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u/OsmosisJonesFanClub 9h ago

He’s got a motor and some hustle and honestly y that’s it.

Got the effort but none of the talent. Even when he plays his job is just to have active feet lol

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u/Swaggyzilla69 9h ago

End of the bench

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u/Jarxzz 9h ago

Bronny seems like a cool dude but I really wish lakers fans would stop pretending he’s a rotation level player

He’s absolutely terrible and that’s okay

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 9h ago

it's just the name really. If his name was Tray'Vonquez Banks no one would bat an eye. He probably wouldn't even make the league

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u/ExistentialAnbu 9h ago

Why did you choose that name? Care to elaborate?

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u/DavisFromTheHills 9h ago

elaboration: it sounded funny

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u/ExistentialAnbu 9h ago

Why is it funny?

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u/calmrain 8h ago

Because it’s so fucking obviously racist. And the fact that people can’t see that the joke is rooted in racism (not even saying this particular dude is outwardly racist, though his follow up comments of feigning ignorance don’t inspire much hope), is part of the problem.

And you’re getting downvoted for no reason.

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u/Zamoniru 6h ago

Why would it be racist what?

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u/DavisFromTheHills 9h ago

again, it sounds funny… it doesn’t really get deeper than that

the particular combination of letters and words in the name is ordered in a way that i find funny. idk how to explain further

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 9h ago

I asked chatgpt to generate the blackest name it can, that is similar to names like Deshawn. That's one of the suggestions.

Hell, he can be named Tanner Smith and he still wouldn't be in the league but he'll be clowned for having a white name

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u/ExistentialAnbu 9h ago

Who’s your favorite lakers of all time?

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 9h ago

Magic. Kobe. Pau. Van Exel. Horry. Caruso. Reaves. Luka.

And no, this has nothing to do with LeBron even if that's what you're trying hard to imply. It could have been Kobe's son who was trash and we'd still be having the same discussion

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u/Basic_Fix3271 23 9h ago

Conveniently forgetting he was an McDonald’s all American?

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u/jsun_ 8h ago

How is that at all relevant to how good he is in the NBA? Go take a look at who has made those teams all throughout history. You'll find a bunch of nobodies. Was Bronny deserving of being the 55th pick? Sure. Worse people have been picked that late before. However, he is not a good NBA player. Continuing to ignore that fact is just ridiculous at this point. Can he continue developing? Sure, but at this point he is nothing but the last man on an NBA roster.

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u/Basic_Fix3271 23 8h ago

It’s relevant when he said “no one would bat an eye” it’s just gross hyperbole. Bronny has a long way and has a bunch of holes in his game but he’s shown flashes. I think your assessment is accurate.

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u/jsun_ 8h ago

It isn't a gross hyperbole. This is the NBA. This isn't recruiting the freshman class for the NCAA. Where you were ranked coming out of high school or whether you were a McDonald's All American is flat out irrelevant. Bronny is an undersized guard who has not shown much guard skills. He doesn't have a handle. He doesn't have playmaking abilities. His strengths are essentially "he tries hard". That isn't going to cut it in the NBA. He still has major steps in his development if he wants to even be a bench player in the NBA. I'm sorry but OP is 100% right. If he wasn't Lebron's son, no one would be talking about him and he'd essentially be at best another random 2-way or G-League player.

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u/Basic_Fix3271 23 8h ago

You have a decent point, but I’m mostly pushing back against the idea that’s he’s basically achieved nothing of his own merit.

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 9h ago

What's your point?

Shadeur Sanders played in the Pro Bowl. Yao Ming started the ASG over 03 Shaq. Kobe post achilles started all-star games

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u/Basic_Fix3271 23 9h ago

None of those are comparable at all

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 8h ago

Instead of just stating your opinion, why don't you provide an actual counterargument?

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u/Basic_Fix3271 23 8h ago

Sanders played in the pro bowl after about five quarterbacks dropped out and being a starter in the all-star game virtually doesn’t matter, especially since they were fan-voted at the time. Bronny was a legitimate nba prospect whether you like it or not

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 8h ago

being a starter in the all-star game virtually doesn’t matter, especially since they were fan-voted at the time

TIL Pro Bowl voting isn't fan-voted

 Bronny was a legitimate nba prospect whether you like it or not

Bronny wasn't the best player in his HS team and had pedestrian averages. Had a heart issue and averaged 5/3/2 on 37/27/68 splits.

Again no problem with drafting him 55, the issue was giving him a guaranteed contract AND an untouchable roster spot. He keeps routinely being outplayed by GLeaguers and Two-way players and he's still on the team.

And I noticed you shifted away from the "he's a McDonalds All American" argument lmao

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u/Basic_Fix3271 23 8h ago

The Pro Bowl isn’t purely fan-voted like being all-star starter was. Shedeur was also like the 6th reserve 😂 Also, there’s more that goes into being an nba prospect than scoring, especially when you’re sharing the ball with several other d-1 players. I’ve been pretty consistent in my position. Agree to disagree.

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy 7h ago

The point is that Sanders got in because he was voted higher than those who actually deserve it.

there’s more that goes into being an nba prospect than scoring

True. But this report card is saying that Bronny's best (and that's saying a lot) is his offense.

Fine to agree to disagree, but denial and ignorance is another thing

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u/onsome0 Los Angeles Lakers 7h ago

Facts. He's really likeable on a personal level, but his game isn't it. The best way to describe it would be that he plays like an athletic Gabe Vincent with less confidence lol.

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u/RedditZen77 6h ago

Gabe Vincent is his ceiling 

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u/pokerawz 9h ago

I really want him to be good. Started liking him a lot more this summer.

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u/alozz Pau Gasol 16 9h ago

BB-Index tells a story for actual rotation players, not end of the bench garbage time players.

This is posted every couple weeks like some gotcha, context is important.

We shall see, I think he does some things well and I can see him building into a good niche role player

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

Yep using whatever numbers to try to gauge how good an end of bench player is just doesn’t work. A lot of advanced data show bronny was worse last year than his rookie year which obviously isn’t true from the eye test. Also a guy like manon has some great defensive advanced stats, but he’s also clearly over reliant on being handsy and physical which rotation players would easily take advantage of

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u/Western-Election-997 Luka “Magic” Doncic 9h ago

He’s only 6’2 so not very high

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u/mellted_cheese 8h ago

He is probably not a long term nba player ufortunately

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u/mso1337 9h ago

Mascot

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u/LudwigNasche 9h ago

You got 22 lines and he scored an F in 15 of them and a D on 3 other lines.

Do you think we really need to talk about him as a basketball prospect? Talk about the money he makes for the owners and the attention he brings to the franchise.

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u/jiffythekid The Logo 44 8h ago

He is likely a bust, but he has the ability to develop into something, it's just really unlikely. I am still kinda interested to see if he does without his dad. China would love him.

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u/AntFast2671 8h ago

2nd round player can NOT be a bust lol

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u/LudwigNasche 6h ago

That is the reason most of them don't earn a real contract, because they are too bad to be even called a bust. A bust is Cam Reddish, Bronny shouldn't even be in the league if his name was LeBron Smith and you know it is true.

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

Well maybe a high second rounder, but even then it’d have to be a deep draft like this year.

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u/jiffythekid The Logo 44 8h ago

This is his contract. He isn't a bust based on his pick, it's based on his salary.
• Year 1 (2024–25): $1,157,153 (Fully guaranteed at signing).
• Year 2 (2025–26): $1,954,350 (Fully guaranteed at signing).
• Year 3 (2026–27): $2,296,271 (Partially guaranteed at $1,258,873 at signing; became fully guaranteed on June 29, 2026).
• Year 4 (2027–28): $2,486,995 (Completely un-guaranteed Team Option).

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

I mean when we first got him I didn’t like the contract, but at this point I really don’t see anything wrong with it. He makes less than the vet min

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u/jiffythekid The Logo 44 7h ago

Jersey sales are really the only reason to keep him. Otherwise his contract is negative value.

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u/kookaburra302 10m ago

GM should probably decide that one mate

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u/jiffythekid The Logo 44 8h ago edited 8h ago

Yeah, it can when you pay them like the Lakers did. The typical 55th pick would get less than 1mil and likely for only a season or 2. Bronny got a fat 4.3mil guaranteed, then they picked up his option. Bronny could* cost the Lakers over 7mil.

Edit: Changed has to could.

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u/AntFast2671 8h ago

His value monetarily is probably a lot higher than his value as an actual basketball player.

Meh

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u/jiffythekid The Logo 44 8h ago

I'll give you that, at least based on Jersey sales. On the court, no.

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u/ty_xy 6h ago

Bro moved more jerseys so I would argue the contract was worth it.

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u/ty_xy 6h ago

He can't be a bust, he's a 2nd round 40 sth 50sth pick LOL 😂😂😂

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u/catperson77789 3h ago

Some people really should know what a bust means lol. There is no expectations from late second rounders. Most of them dont even make it in the league lol

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u/wjxm 8h ago

Honestly he’s super young, cheap, and knows his role. He’s very athletic and if he keeps improving his defense and 3 id love to get him on a cheap multi year contract and just have him be our 3rd string Pg. also feel like he’s still a positive asset and would get us a SRP or two if we ever wanted to move him

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u/Bungulator69 9h ago

I was looking at the roster the other day and I was thinking how i don’t really see Bronny fitting in the rotation.

Who would he swap out that sexton can’t swap out and do better than Bronny? I personally would rather Cameron Carr to be out there instead of Bronny.

I don’t even think Bronny is bad. I just don’t think he has a place on this current roster to develop his skills and have consistent play time.

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

I guess grimes, when I look at the roster and I’m looking at the third stringers/young guys I see hardy as the third string sexton, Carr as the third string thybulle and bronny as the third string grimes

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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec 9h ago

He’s already had enough playing time that is above his ceiling all due to who his father is. Swell kid and much more successful in life than I would ever be.. granted I don’t have a dad that is the GOAT and one of the most famous people in the world.

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u/SpiritFantastic4835 8h ago

Davion Mitchell

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u/PrawnProwler 7h ago

Stat "report cards" like those don't matter for low minute guys, there's too much variance to make any conclusion. If you want to paint yourself as an objective stat guy, that should be apparent

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u/No-Equipment-20 7h ago

Ceiling is like Gary Payton II

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u/Traditional-Goal-229 6h ago

Way too low for you guys to talk about him this much.

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u/j_rooker 6h ago

after 3 years, no major upgrade in skills. melton is his upside. was hoping for more

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u/coachwyers 5h ago

Davion Mitchell type player

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u/Zephri0 18 5h ago

SInce he lacks the height and length to make mistakes, he has to be as polished as possible and maximize his skill set. Gonna be a long road but it is possible, kinda wish he went thru the Euro academy system instead of the AAU route when he was growing up.

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u/SnooRecipes6776 57m ago

His ceiling is point guard KCP. Serviceable 3&D

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u/KarrotMovies Luka Magic 77 8h ago

How reliable is a report card for how inconsistent his minutes were?

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

Just as an example since Kessler had a small sample size last season, he was only 74th percentile in rim protection, 48th in rim disruption, and 62nd in deterrence which is much different than previous years. Small sample sizes for advanced data doesn’t mean shit

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u/Fcusjfnfmfkg 9h ago

Fuck your report card and fuck these comments, he’s got a legitimate rotation player ceiling

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u/LudwigNasche 9h ago

Welcome to the Lakers sub Savannah

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u/pablo_booze 8h ago

Full potential?

Rajon rondo

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u/WayAdministrative679 Luka Magic 77 8h ago

Miles McBride type ceiling, good role player of the bench 

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u/3nnui 2 8h ago

At best, Bronny might become a 10th or 11th man. Now that we no longer have to cater to Bron, it's time to give the playing time to guys with actual upside.

We lost out on Scotty Pippen Jr. and derailed Knecht by catering to Bronny, it's time to focus on the future.

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u/fhfbcc 8h ago

Scotty pippen jr was in Memphis for the 23-24 season and like the other guy said wasn’t good here. Bronny had no bearing on SPJ being here. Knecht has been given more opportunity than bronny both years

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u/Federal-Service5571 8h ago

Knecht derailed himself.

Agree on the rest.

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u/iwontpasstheball 7h ago

Agree with the rest? Scottie got waived in October 2023. Bronnys draft was July 2024. How is that catering ?

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u/WayAdministrative679 Luka Magic 77 8h ago

Knecht derailed himself and SPJ was garbage here 

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u/CoachTwisterT3 9h ago

I mean, he seems like he could be a consistent 8th guy maybe? He’s got his weaknesses, but if he can just be a consistent shooter and defensive pest then that’s a guy you can keep around. If no other reason I want that for him because of the absurd way he’s treated for being no different than any other late second round pick.

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u/Massive_Cake1731 9h ago

I get the report card is brutal but I think his eye test is more interesting than that. I think this year will answer that question one way or another.

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u/doghead6969 Arthur Kaluma 47 9h ago

Isn't there some plus minus you can look at to tell you his ceiling?

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u/PhoneSilent 8h ago

Jalen suggs ceiling