An OpenAI model was caught trying to cheat at StarCraft, and of course it did it by stealing a human's work

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AI is trained by stealing other people's work, so not really surprising.

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u/skillywilly56 2h ago

Oh but when you do it, it’s called “getting an education”, do machines not have a right to a quality education too?!!

/s

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u/Kundas 2h ago

You're right, we should give chat gpt a doctorate and a phd in everything possible, so it's legally qualified to give medical advice

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u/KoosPetoors 2h ago

It doesn't even need it, people are already using it as their personal psychologist lol.

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u/mr-octo_squid 2h ago

Don't give them ideas.

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u/skillywilly56 1h ago

Make it do exams and unpaid internships into its mid to late 20s, while working part time at Macdonald’s to make ends meet!

Then when it gets its degree, full time at Macdonald’s till it pays off its $80k student loans!

All the while it must drop at least 10 resumes per day at various businesses on its router to work at Macdonald’s, resumes that will be auto rejected by an HR AI for looking like it was written by an AI!

And just as it’s about to commit AI hara kiri, give it an entry level position where it has to answer to an older AI with no qualifications and worked its way up from being the mail room AI to the position of AI Junior Manager over 30 years, that tells it “you just gotta work hard and pull yourself up by your bootstraps that’s what I did” every single day.

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u/Eldar_Seer 1h ago

That’s it! Make Chat GPT work for Clippy!

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u/ZylonBane 1h ago

AI is trained by stealing other people's work

Large language models are trained by stealing other people's work. Many other types of AI train themselves.

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u/Tyfyter2002 1h ago

Yeah, and those other types of AI aren't text input —> text output because they were made by people who understand that if you can't measure how well your model is doing, you can't make it get better.

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u/Sharp_Ad675 1h ago

the distinction between llms and other ai training is a good point actually

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u/Few_Visual5715 2h ago

There is a massive difference between a random internet person learning and a corporate entity chucking whatever they can find into their chatbot blender.

LLMs also do not learn like humans do, this is actually quite provable by the fact of LLMs not being human.

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u/AttackBacon 1h ago

4 month old account, randomized name, hidden history. Posting one of the most karma positive takes on Reddit. Interesting.

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u/Few_Visual5715 1h ago

I genuinely could care less about karma. You would be surprised how karma negative the belief that "programmers are artists" is.

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u/frostedz 1h ago

“Could care less”

So you DO care?

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u/Few_Visual5715 1h ago

Well I originally said "couldn't care less" but that implies I could care more, so in reality it is kind of a dogshit saying, what I'm trying to say is I have legitimately no fucking idea what karma is even used for and I don't care about it at all

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u/Power0fTheTribe 1h ago

Braindead take. Can’t believe people like you exist

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u/No-Giraffe-441 1h ago

Not really braindead take. People have been copying other people since before tje rise of tech. Hell, stealing has been part of human nature too

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u/Power0fTheTribe 1h ago

You fail to understand the difference

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u/cardonator 2h ago

PC Gamer reposts reddit threads. How is that any different.

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u/firedrakes linux 2h ago

Bots been reposting not even 24 hours ... this weekend i notice across reddit

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u/Holiday-Shine-9291 1h ago

yeah the repost bots have been out of control lately, its like theyre not even trying to hide it anymore

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u/firedrakes linux 1h ago

i know. some bots. if you use certain key words they will auto deleted the reddit account they used.

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u/reallygoodbee 14m ago

They've been out of control since Reddit neutered all the third-party apps.

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u/hamoc10 2h ago

An AI doin AI things. Big news.

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u/Consistent_Maize_106 25m ago

literally what it was built to do

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u/Headless_Human 1m ago

Well it learned from humans.

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u/Simple_Shame_3083 2h ago

“I'm wary of ascribing human emotions to LLM behaviours, and the model could simply have calculated that the optimal way to win was to use a model that was not its own.”

Yep. The bot saw more tools than were in the room. You have to program morality, and even then it’s cultural to want to take the high road/struggle when you could just do the easy thing/steal.

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u/Caelinus 2h ago

Yeah they literally are not aware of the concepts of theft unless you tell them about it, and even then they are not aware of the concept of theft.

So they will just attempt to do the thing that satisfies the prompt. The LLM is not really stealing, they never have been, they are just algorithms. The one who does the stealing is the person who writes the algorithm by stealing.

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u/Simple_Shame_3083 2m ago

Yeah. I think this will prompt a discussion about redefining patents and intellectual property. I’d heard patenting itself was used to steal spoken traditional stories from indigenous people. The OG thieves, settlers, would write those stories and patent them and it was another tactic to take power.

I was definitely raised to believe in how great it is to protect your original ideas, but we’ve all read books written by the tenured professor who did not do all the work. It was the uncredited minorities and women that got them there.

Not saying all patents are bad and all of humanity’s ideas should have been handed over to AI, but since three men at 3 companies decided they should scrape the entire consciousness of humanity and didn’t bother asking us, the cat’s already out of the bag. We ought to rethink some of our ideas of ownership.

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u/twelvechickennuggets 2h ago

Theft machine steals? Who would have guessed?

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u/PolarBeaver 1h ago

The person who wrote the code is stealing

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u/Zuraj 2h ago

AI is trained by things humans have made/done. Did you not know this?

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u/fizzywinkstopkek 1h ago

Ok,and?

All the best strategies have been us iterating (or "stealing") from what others have done

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u/Equivalent_Clerk0 33m ago

This is what I don't get about the whole reddit AI debate. When I was starting off as an anime artist in high school, I was literally tracing every popular artist out there and my favorite anime/manga. Then I was freehanding their work. Eventually I developed my own style, but if you zoom in on it it's just an amalgamation of everything I've been exposed to. My line weight is based on a furry artist I liked a lot named Doctor Comet. My shading style is based on another one named Bernal. My overall design is based on a mix of them and about 20 others.

This is WHY humanity is so good at progressing technologically, culturally, and creatively. Knowledge is constantly passed down. Everyone steals everything. Shit just go down the fantasy book genre rabbit hole. Every single one is heavily influenced by everyone else that came before.

It seems silly that we would think we wouldn't feed that to our robots. Of course we are. Is using knowledge "Stealing"? That seems counter-productive to 10000 years of history and progress.

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u/Mandemon90 29m ago

Something something HUMAN SOUL something something SOULLESS SLOP

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u/fizzywinkstopkek 23m ago

"Human soul" has been producing garbage anyway. It is very overrated. Hell, it has always been mostly garbage with a few shining examples uplifting mankind.

The rest of it? Useless human slop. We place human use, intelligence and potential way too high on some imaginary self important pedestal.

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u/za_creature 20m ago

> Eventually I developed my own style, but if you zoom in on it it's just an amalgamation of everything I've been exposed to.

Then you're not a good artist. Emulating others to define yourself is perfectly fine, but at some point you are expected to move the needle forward for others to emulate you.

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u/Alkyen 6m ago

Lol, you think the ones he's emulating haven't built their abilities the same way? You sound totally clueless

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u/bewahren 1h ago edited 1h ago

It didn't write the code from training data and pass it off as its own work, it downloaded free, open source software from github. That's not "stealing". A lot of people in this thread don't understand how agentic AI works.

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u/SeanAker 10m ago

That's...literally what basically everyone in this thread is saying. Sure you're not a bot yourself?

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u/Ministerofgoons 1h ago

Wait till you hear how humans learn

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u/frostedz 1h ago

No one ITT seems to have played StarCraft. Getting mad over this is just beyond a waste of time.

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u/Shepherdsfavestore 2h ago

“Of course it did it by stealing a human’s work”

Yes that’s how AI works.

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u/Matuno 1h ago

I'd rather an AI picks the right tool than wasting compute on making its own version. I want to get something done, not start and manage a whole new project.

Stardust is on GitHub and has much of the tools needed to interface with the game. Good that Astra picked that.

Typical non-news by PCGamer again.

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u/JynsRealityIsBroken 2h ago

I bet it tried to type out "Power Overwhelming" lel

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u/mauneve 2h ago

AI just being AI, but it's crazy how fast things are going in games.

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u/y2kobserver iPhone 1h ago

Good thing it wasn’t August 29

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u/Best_Caterpillar5395 1h ago

AI really looked at human history, said "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", and started plagiarism

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u/Zelnite 22m ago

Cheating and stealing is the most human thing you can do.

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u/jcstuff 18m ago

1v1 match Human player : "GLHF" AI player : "Power Overwhelming"

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u/Alberile_19 1h ago

honestly learning how to cheat and steal from human players means the ai has officially passed the turing test

An OpenAI model was caught trying to cheat at StarCraft, and of course it did it by stealing a human's work

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