r/cscareerquestions • • 19h ago

What is the point of this sub anymore

I haven’t looked at the sub in ages but coming back and looking at it again and just seeing how useless it has become is just stupid

Every time I look at it now there is another post asking some variation of “is CS dead” “is AI going to replace programmers” “should I leave CS” “are there any jobs anymore” etc…

I understand the market is difficult right now. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be allowed to talk about it. But there are only so many times you can have the exact same discussion before it just becomes noise.
Someone has a hard time finding a job, makes a post about it, and then the comments become 200 people talking about how the industry is finished. Then a few days later there is another post doing basically the same thing. I don’t really understand what anyone is getting out of this anymore

There are actual things I would rather see discussed here. What people are seeing in their own workplaces, how hiring is changing, what companies are actually doing with AI, whether certain roles are being affected more than others, what people have learned after working in the industry for a few years, things like that. Instead those discussions get buried because another “is CS over?” post gets 500 comments

I think there should at least be a megathread for this stuff. If someone has something genuinely new to say about the job market or AI then fine, but we really don’t need another thread every few days repeating the same arguments

The market being bad is worth talking about. The 50th post telling everyone that CS is dead really isn’t

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u/waraholic 18h ago

This sub is mostly for doomer posting from people starting or about to start their career.

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u/TangerineX 12h ago

once upon a time it was for people soft flexing shir like "do I take this 400k role from Facebook or this 380k job from Amazon"

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u/smoked___salmon 10h ago

This sub is either ppl from average uni who struggle to find an entry level job or some MIT grads who love to flex on us pheasant.

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u/Ok-Bed-9943 7h ago

i would love to be a pheasant

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 16h ago edited 15h ago

now to be fair it's also for doomer posting from bots masquerading as devs who are "upset" that AI is better than them.

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u/waraholic 13h ago

Yeah I basically ignore any new accounts posts, comments, etc.. it has become more and more difficult. Usage isn't up that much. There aren't that many new people using Reddit that every account I click on seems to be 2 months old.

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u/Sepsiscollada 3h ago

Mostly bots. Sometimes opsec.

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u/ganancias 14h ago

it's hilarious to see how these cult-like hive minds have formed so quickly. But by now, every prominent public coder persona has flipped to psychosis. Andrej Karpathy, Linus Torvalds, DHH, the minecraft creator, the primeagen, whoever this guy is. These guys are either giants and heroes of the field, or were prominent enough to be on Lex Fridman, speaking for software engineers about the practice of software engineering. All of them are now in full-on psychosis.

An asteroid is coming (or it's already here but not yet equally distributed). The anti cult denies this, calls it "frontier model propaganda", believes that only bad coders are impressed with Fable 5.5 output. They spot all kinds of mistakes in LLM output, have to hand hold it, or hand-write portions. Always have and always will, because they are "better" than an LLM.

It's a skill issue the antis share. Or strategic incompetence at prompting. An inherent bias in their worldview. The stochastic parrot cult are in denial about superintelligence. Sure, it's jagged intelligence. But it's quickly becoming both less jagged and more superintelligent.

It is not just a tool. It's an asteroid, headed straight toward us.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 11h ago

Linus torvalds hasn't gotten AI psychosis and has reasonably sensible views on it. The Minecraft guy and DHH definitely have legit gone crazy though.

As always the AI pilled people can't actually tell who is foaming at the mouth about AI and who is just being sensible.

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u/ganancias 11h ago

"Is this much better than I could do by hand? Sure is." -- Linus Torvalds.

Not "I could this better, but I would be slower." Not "the LLM mostly outputs garbage, but it's a useful tool sometimes." how is it not psychosis? he's claiming the LLM is better than him.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 11h ago edited 9h ago

note the repo. this is torvalds' toy project which produces fun little sounds. it is not running on 4 billion devices, it is maybe running on 400.

every AI pilled psycho I see has reacted to his experiments on toy projects with presuming that he's made the kernel fully vibe coded. words can't express just how fucking regarded these people are.

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u/ganancias 11h ago

Obviously, the kernel is a historical codebase dating back to the 90's.

The point is, there won't be a resurgence of SWE jobs writing kernel code. And probably not for writing any kind of code. It takes a couple of SWE's to click merge on PRs written by AIs after a second AI looks at them and says they look good.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 11h ago

obviously the kernel isnt just a fun little toy so spewing your AI slop all over it is going to make people very angry.

Dont get me wrong, AI is great for fun little amateur projects.

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u/waraholic 13h ago

I have more work than ever. Not sure what you're on about.

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u/gi0nna 13h ago

This sub reflects the real time sentiment and market conditions. When it was 2021, posters were bragging about their multiple job offers, their TC, encouraging job hopping, promoting boot camps. It’s 2026, AI is in fact replacing lower level tasks, jobs are being offshored en masse. So I’m not sure why people assume negativity is due to bots and not due to the market being objectively awful, particularly for new grads.

If you want nothing but positivity, it’s best to stay off this sub. Because this sub reflects reality and reality ain’t so sweet at the moment.

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u/Ok_Outcome_5830 17h ago

The point is to remind people that CS careers (for the most part) are dead.

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u/Appropriate-Baker755 15h ago

Bro do something useful instead of dooming in every post 

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u/Ok_Outcome_5830 15h ago

Learn to take a joke bro

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 18h ago edited 15h ago

this subreddit is for frontier model companies to indirectly advertise their wares via bots pretending to be devs who complain that "their job is now too easy" (if only slopmaxxing made it easy...).

and for entry level devs to vent about the shortage or entry level jobs relative to demand.

idk I'd ban and confine to stickies much all content like that if I were a mod.

the slop denial gaslighting is particularly irritating. "what do you mean the code it writes is bad? my team with good guardrails and reviews and writes perfect AI generated code". sure you do buddy.

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u/life_is_fake 18h ago

Yeah I think that’s probably the best way to handle it. People can still talk about the job market and AI, just without having the same posts constantly taking over the sub

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u/Strange-Tap5860 17h ago

So lame to just dismiss opinions and say "lolol they are bots".

This technology is insane and scary - of course everyone is talking and shocked about it.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 17h ago edited 17h ago

"insane and scary" is how it is marketed. it's only natural that this marketing resonates with some people just like Russian propaganda resonates with others.

it gets a little tedious hearing the voices in your head bounce around an echo chamber. if you're susceptible to frontier model marketing you're not going to be saying anything novel about AI...you're acting more like a human LLM than a human. there will be 10,000 other threads reciting the an identical narrative from other equally susceptible humans.

the bots are the ones that post the same damn story every day: "I want to quit my job, AI is just too good these days". even the most AI pilled humans dont talk that way.

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u/Swimming_Gain_4989 17h ago

A more empathetic viewpoint.

This sub mostly attracts college students and people VERY early in their career. They have little (if any) experience working in the kinds of massive systems that aren't already baked into training where AI still fails. They see that AI can oneshot virtually every task they would've done to cut their teeth and when they get hired, management expects them to be "AI native" and ship shit as fast as humanly possible. The incentives that previously forced people to learn the craft have been completely obliterated.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 17h ago edited 16h ago

shrug during college I spent a lot of time writing code to implement algorithms for which there were already libraries I could just install. pretty much everything I did had already been invented.

now instead of installing that library you can one shot a slightly crappier version if it trained on the library code. is this a reason for everybody to collectively shit themselves?

the entry level job market legitimately sucks but thats no reason to start choking on frontier model propaganda like it's going out of style. honestly one of the things that kept me in this profession so long is a healthy aversion to hyped up bullshit. i would have had a much rougher time if didnt.

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u/Swimming_Gain_4989 16h ago edited 16h ago

Right and I don't doubt some college grads still do that kind of stuff but I think a lot of people learn the most by building something for the sake of solving a problem.

To give an example, the project that taught me the most about programming was developing and hosting a matchmaking system and forum for a niche fighting game. The service didn't exist and I had a lot of free time so I thought, "why not? It'll be sick once it's running". It forced me to learn how to actually configure DNS records, sane SQL, REST, Auth, full duplex, a bit of DSA to handle the queue, some math to set up an ELO system...

The queue itself is actually a good example, I didn't even know a priority queue was a thing and wound up reinventing a more inefficient version of one because I needed to match according to player rank as well as time. Had I been learning CS in this environment I probably would've prompted my way through large parts of that project instead of toiling.

And the worst part is that the result Claude would give me in a few hours of prompting would look significantly better than my old hand written project I spent months on.

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u/sharificles 16h ago

I don't really understand how your library example is relevant. None of that is an employable skill anymore, work experience with real solutions is. Also writing libraries is one thing LLM's can do. They can also do very many other things too.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 16h ago

it's relevant because they said college students shit themselves because a model can one shot their homework. you thought it was a good reason to shit yourself but that's a bad reason to shit oneself.

yeah no shit employers are picky and prefer real life experience. also nothing new. the new part is 20x as many software grads with maybe double the number of jobs, not a sudden preference for experience.

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u/sharificles 16h ago

I still don't get why you think that's a bad reason, you're just asserting it without explaining why. You treat writing a library or doing your homework as the upper ceiling as if there won't be any new improvement, when it can do more than that, and will be able to do much more than that.

You seem to think it's only an over saturation problem? it isn't. I've seen departments cleared out because of AI automation at my grad role, I have friends who have been laid off from their internships specifically because of AI. It is both over saturation AND AI doubling on top of each other.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 16h ago

I still don't get why you think that's a bad reason, you're just asserting it without explaining why.

I explained the why. The "why" is because nothing really changed. there were a million examples of merge sort online 20 years ago. now you can vibe code one. The answers being even more at your fingertips changes nothing about why you're doing that homework.

You seem to think it's only an over saturation problem? it isn't. I've seen departments cleared out because of AI automation at my grad role

i saw companies lay people off in 2022 "because AI". it's a good excuse when the real reason is growth has petered out because it makes the C levels appear forward thinking in front of investors.

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u/sharificles 15h ago

Respectfully, we did merge sort when I was 14 years old in computing class. We're talking about AI doing much harder things than that. It is perfectly rational to be worried about AI capabilities when you witness it one-shotting entire projects and dissertations as a student.

The answers being even more at your fingertips changes nothing about why you're doing that homework.

Nobody is arguing that you shouldn't do hard things. But once again you are just asserting this. You didn't give the "why". It is perfectly reasonable to question why you are doing a certain thing over something else that might be more useful. University professors are having this exact conversation in their meetings because even they are shitting themselves over it.

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u/Strange-Tap5860 17h ago

I get there is hype and fear mongering from the marketing campaigns etc etc

Has absolutely nothing to do with why I find it insane and scary.

I find it insane and scary because I can type on my computer "Hey do this thing that only I could do because I dedicated 10 years+ of my life doing and its the reason I get paid and can afford to have a family", and it does it in like 5 minutes. And I pay 20quid a month for it. AND it keeps getting better.

You don't need marketing to experience that and freak out.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 16h ago edited 16h ago

yet when I try to do the same thing (with all the appropriate harnesses, up to date models, etc.) I get deluged with sloppy code and coding decisions that are questionable at best. and those things have not improved since Dec 2025. sometimes the models even randomly get worse.

what I find scary is the gaslighting campaign using your exact narrative and the fact that hacks can more easily cosplay as skilled devs in front of clueless managers.

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u/muchsamurai 16h ago

Lol the denial

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 16h ago

ikr slop denial is very hot these days

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u/Strange-Tap5860 16h ago

Don't know what to say.

Every single dev (about 50?) I've spoken to the past year has not had the same experience as you. Which is fine - maybe your using it differently or work in a different unique domain to other people.

But yea there is a reason you have swarms of Phd mathematicians and very experienced software developers reacting as they do. And its NOT just "Dont fall for their marketing guys!".

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 16h ago

not one of them complained about slop, huh? they all just shit themselves because AI now does everything better than everyone?

sounds totally legit to me. 

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u/blindsdog 15h ago edited 15h ago

Nope. I only find this shit on Reddit, every engineer I work with and know uses AI extensively every day and hardly writes code anymore. Sure it doesn’t one shot complex work, it requires iteration and review, but it writes excellent code if you use it right.

But I know even before AI Reddit was flooded with nerd lords who believed all code other than their own was shit so I’m not surprised to find opinions like these now.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 15h ago

i run across plenty IRL with your attitude but when I see the code itself it becomes clear that theyre simply producing reams of slop and labeling it as high quality code.

when it blows up they dont see the connection.

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u/blindsdog 15h ago

It’s incredible that someone who thinks so highly of themself can’t conceive that good engineers can still be good engineers by using a tool to write their code.

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u/Strange-Tap5860 15h ago

No - no one did actually.

They have proper workflows and review in place. Everyone is just scared it keeps getting better and better.

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u/Shot-Zebra1868 15h ago

This is a crazy position to have. I am no AI fanboy but if using Opus 5.5 or Astra has not induced at least some minor existential dread then I have to question if you yourself is a bot. These tools have some fundamental issues but are seriously capable. Heck, just 3 years ago my business would charge 50k to build small bespoke tools that would be functional within a matter of days using Claude.

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 11h ago

I am no AI fanboy but if using Opus 5.5 or Astra has not induced at least some minor existential dread

Sounds like you've got fanboy syndrome pretty hard actually.

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u/AES256GCM 15h ago

Tbh you’re in every thread claiming that any ai advancement is just bots and propaganda.

It’s quite possible you’re in denial or wishcasting and trying to convince yourself.

Many such cases with people who have attached their identity and sense of self worth with the job title

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 15h ago edited 14h ago

Tbh you’re in every thread claiming that any ai advancement is just bots and propaganda.

lol it's the doomposting about AI that's mostly bots and propaganda. I work in the field so im not denying any actual technological advances - just the ones that are being faked (like the ability to make good architectural decisions, formulate abstractions, write terse code).

i used to get attacked like this whenever I pointed out disguised Disney ads on reddit too. There are certain reddit accounts that would get furious about me saying "this meme is also corporate sponsored" and accuse me of being obsessive. I found that amusing just as this is.

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u/wiriux Software Engineer 18h ago

We just need stronger moderator like in experienced devs sub

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u/pydry Software Architect | Python 18h ago edited 15h ago

It's the same shit there too it's just not quite as extreme.

theres still plenty of AI pillled bots in slop denial and humans who choke hard on Dario's idiotic doomposting.

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u/gjionergqwebrlkbjg 17h ago

experienced devs sub is pretty much only bitching about AI, zero substance. You will learn exactly zero by browsing it.

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u/manythanksfriend 16h ago

I’ll take a crack at it.

How has hiring changed?

The only jobs I currently see, across the country, are for the highest skilled, most YoE of us out there.

For me to notice such a skill demand, says something. I started my career in 1999 and I’ve seen this industry evolve in a few ways.

Every single job I look into wants several departments worth of skills and a lengthy record of experience.

The educational requirements are also moving from Bachelors to Masters and in some cases I’ve seen places asking for PhDs.

So if you’re wondering why everyone is dooming and glooming, we don’t all work for FAANG companies with huge salaries and frontier technology, a lot of us can’t get an interview.

For me personally- I hate the place I’m at but I can’t leave because I can’t get any action on my resume. I have never had this much difficulty getting an interview.

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u/life_is_fake 14h ago

I get that, and thanks for sharing this. This is honestly much closer to the kind of discussion I was hoping to see more of here. You're giving actual context from your experience and explaining what you're seeing now compared to earlier in your career, which gives people something to take away from it

I have no issue with people talking about the market. I just think the posts that are basically “the market is terrible” without much else could go into a pinned megathread. People who have something specific to share or ask can still make their own posts, while the more general stuff has somewhere to go without taking over the sub.

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u/Key-Interaction-2057 18h ago

Mods could make this sub useful again but they choose no to. Personally, I don't even think its worth even lurking here anymore.

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u/life_is_fake 18h ago

Yeah same someone said experienceddev sub is better will just go there

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u/deathtrooper12 AI/ML Engineer 12h ago

This subreddit is just not great anymore. It’s literally just full of doomers 24/7 and feels like the blind leading the blind. Highly recommend looking into more specific subs towards your specialization / interests. They’re usually better for these discussions.

Also this isn’t excusing the current job market. Yes, it’s bad, but no, it’s not the end of the world and it’s still one of the best pathways to getting a shit ton of money if you can navigate the new hurdles correctly.

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u/PuzzleheadedLack1196 10h ago

I guess since tech is slowly dying as a job market, we are going through the denial/sadness phase. Give it a few more years and this thread will be absolutely dead.

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u/Calm_Clam_Bake 15h ago

I come here for the "AI will take all our jobs" posts.

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u/MaximumFlow7491 14h ago

this sub is for people who are on the way to losing their livilihoods to cope

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u/Data-Panda 18h ago

There should be some moderation here, but I doubt we’ll see that happen.

Unfortunately I think this sub is now primarily bot accounts and new grads unhappy with the state of the market.

I think there’s other subs like ExperienceDevs that might be better suited for everyone else. 

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u/life_is_fake 18h ago

Thank you for the recommendation

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u/CapableHerring 15h ago

Anymore?

How long have you been on this subreddit? This is how its always been.

People come here to post about some problem they're having, that problem is something people have had and posted here about a million times before, and the same comments happen that have already happened a million times before.

Rinse and repeat.

Advice subreddits are inherently this way. The one and only thing advice subreddits are good for is very specific and anecdotal questions. "Co-worker yelled at me today, has that ever happened to you? How do I handle this?". You can get some good, specific advice to that kind of question. Versus "can't get a job" is not specific, and will never get good advice. Not in 2016, not in 2021, not in 2026. It'll just be a bunch of people who also can't get jobs in a big circle jerk about why they can't get jobs, posting the same doomer shit they've been posting for years.

The market being bad is worth talking about.

No. It's not. That's the thing. This is an advice subreddit. Not a subreddit to lament about the market. We all know the market's bad. There's nothing left to discuss. If you have a specific question on how to navigate the bad market, we can help you. But if the extent of thought you've put into your question is "the market's bad, let's talk", you're not going to get any good comments.

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u/Calm_Clam_Bake 15h ago

"People come here to post about some problem they're having, that problem is something people have had and posted here about a million times before, and the same comments happen that have already happened a million times before."

So every internet discussion board since internet discussion boards were invented.

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u/CapableHerring 14h ago

Yep. Was my point. This isn't new, but OP's post makes it seem like this pattern is some sort of recent development.

At least with anecdotal problems there can be nuance specific to their situation. Like their seniority, or their relationship with their co-workers/boss, or where they live, or their financial situation, or a million other things. I think those are fine for an advice subreddit.

But when the problem is a sweeping generality like "Market sucks, when's it going to get better?", there's nothing to add to a question like that. There's no individual nuance.

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u/Toasted_FlapJacks Senior SWE (7 YOE) 6h ago

This is not how this sub has always been. I've been here since 2014/2015, and it was a very helpful resource for advice for the undergrad and junior level at least.

Since maybe 2021 when bootcampers were a thing, quality posters stopped posting, the mods got increasingly more lazy, and the hiring doom took over.

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u/CapableHerring 6h ago

I've been around since ~2012. It's absolutely how this sub has always been. You may have rose-tinted glasses.

It had some gems of advice, and it still does. But it's always largely been the kind of stuff OP is complaining about.

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u/life_is_fake 14h ago

I don't really disagree that this is how advice subs tend to work, but I don't think that means we have to accept the same low-effort posts being repeated forever. You even point out yourself that “can't get a job” doesn't lead to useful advice and just turns into the same circle jerk every time. That's basically the problem I'm talking about. If we already know these posts don't produce useful discussion, why keep giving them their own threads instead of confining them to a megathread?

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u/CapableHerring 14h ago

We're in agreement then. Really, my only issue with your post was pretending like this was a new development. It hasn't become this way. It's been this way since the birth of this advice subreddit, and it's been this way since the birth of advice subreddits in general. Rules only go so far, and eventually you end up with a subreddit with such a weird complex set of rules that have to get carefully/selectively applied that the mods simply can't keep up, or they can keep up and the subreddit turns desolate because nobody has anything to actually post about anymore. Then an alternative advice subreddit pops up by the people who were sick of all those rules.... and the cycle starts again.

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u/life_is_fake 14h ago

Yeah sorry, you're right. I definitely made it sound like I was discovering some new problem when it's obviously been like this for years

And yeah I can see how trying to moderate every single repetitive post would just create a ridiculous amount of rules and more work for the mods. I still like the idea of a megathread for the really generic “market is bad” stuff though, since it gives people somewhere to post it without needing to police every individual thread

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u/CapableHerring 14h ago

In the mod's defense, I think all those posts would firmly fit into the already existing Friday rant thread. People just don't use it.

Just like the Monday/Thursday interview megathreads. They exist, and yet we still see tons of posts about interviews that are written specifically to circumvent the automod.

Just like the Tuesday/Saturday resume megathreads. They exist, and yet we still see tons of posts about resumes that are written specifically to circumvent the automod.

It's a losing battle unfortunately. Even if they made a weekly megathread of "market bad" posts, people would just skirt around the automod, and disguise their posts well enough that mods won't notice unless they happen to be reading every single post that morning.

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u/life_is_fake 13h ago

I guess so

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u/ganancias 15h ago

And if an asteroid is coming, how many posts would you expect to be about the asteroid versus non-asteroid topics?

"gee, I wish people would talk about something other than the asteroid. I've seen three asteroids hit in my career already, it's no big deal tbh. It might not even hit us... this asteroid talk seems to be cyclical. Hey, guys, can we talk about something else for once."

like, no. There is an asteroid headed toward us. Have you had any new thoughts about the asteroid, since yesterday? any higher resolution pics come out today?

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u/CapableHerring 15h ago edited 15h ago

When there's already been 1000 posts about every detail about the asteroid, and the information about the asteroid is very easily google-able.... yeah, I'd expect a life subreddit to talk about actual life, not about the asteroid. It would be extremely annoying to have a subreddit get filled with the same, repetitive, non-answerable, asteroid-related discussion. Form an asteroid subreddit if you really want to talk about the same shit over and over again. You can talk about how to navigate life knowing an asteroid is coming, just like I mentioned talking about how to navigate a bad market can have value, but just talking about the same mundane shit about the asteroid itself? It's not providing any value. I promise you a well-moderated life subreddit would pretty quickly make a rule against asteroid posts.

Take a step back and think about something a little more mundane so you're not emotionally charged about it. What's something super common and well-known about this industry? How about.... "leetcode has nothing to do with what you do on the job"? Everyone knows that. Anyone with half a brain can understand that, or google it if they don't. There's nothing left to talk about here. It's been this way for well over a decade. It's not news. We get it. The asteroid is coming. Ask a novel question that's not easily google-able, or find a subreddit dedicated to talking about an asteroid. Ask a question worth discussing, that hasn't already been discussed to death.

I get that you're panicking. But as someone who isn't panicking, and is on an advice subreddit purely to give advice, it's very frustrating when you see the exact same questions with the exact same answers multiple times a day. I've literally started copy/pasting some of my own comments from months ago. If there were actually novel things to discuss, sure, then it'd have a place. If the asteroid were evolving, maybe we could discuss something new about it. But there's no point in asking about the velocity of the asteroid for the 5000th time. Advice subreddits are really good for specific anecdotes, and really bad for sweeping generalities.

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u/ganancias 13h ago

If the asteroid were evolving, maybe we could discuss something new about it.

It's evolving rapidly. For people who agree on that, there's always more to talk about. It's why the number of asteroid posts and comment count are going up. Because an increasing number of people are recognizing this. It has not plateaued, and is not plateauing. The people replying "it's a tool, yada yada" are the ones posting the same noise over and over. Everyone else is having about as productive a discussion we could expect to have when there's an asteroid headed toward us with imminent impact. What do you think will happen, are we all about to die, or just lose our jobs? Great question, Bob. I was just wondering about the same thing...

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u/CapableHerring 13h ago

No, it's not changing at all.

The amount of people screaming about it is what's going up, like you yourself pointed out.

What they're screaming about is the same thing. Nobody here's discussing the intricate differences between Asteroid 5.5 and Asteroid 4.5. There's an asteroid subreddit for that. People are just screaming "Asteroid's taking my job!" Aight Bob. Yes, we get it. Next question.

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u/New-Bottle-6917 15h ago

Well here's the thing there's more jobs listed in the field than ever before even with all the outsourcing, the H1Bs, the roles merged or eliminated by AI, what this means objectively is that the industry is growing, not shrinking, due to AI. The only reason why it feels so impossible to break in is just due to how many degree holders there are trying to get in, but the actual companies themselves are only looking at expansion

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u/Severe_Sir_3237 14h ago

Bro the entire field has changed
The sub is just reflecting reality, and you are unable to accept reality
The field has undergone change on an insane level, the correct and only thing to do is to talk about this all the time, avoiding the elephant in the room, heck avoiding the room itself is ignoring reality altogether

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u/life_is_fake 14h ago

Did you read my post? I didn’t say they should stop talking about it

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u/Possible-Cup-9876 16h ago

Yeah, feels like this is just a place for lazy, unmotivated people with little to no career experience to complain

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u/Substantial-Elk4531 15h ago

I am nearing a decade of experience and have a CS degree from a top 10 CS school, and I find the job market challenging, too. It's not like only lazy people find this market challenging.

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u/AES256GCM 15h ago

No no, anyone struggling in a low hire market is lazy and unmotivated.

Comments like the above remind me why no one has sympathy for the mass tech layoffs since 2022

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u/Possible-Cup-9876 14h ago

I got laid off recently. I also have a CS degree from a top school and a decade of experience. Instead of whining, I upskilled and sucked it up and got a job paying less money. Life goes on

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u/dyljns 10h ago

You already have the YOE, genius. Compared to junior market, your market is light work, just like it was 10 years ago when you were getting started. Typical millennial with boomer mindset. 🗑️🚮

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u/Possible-Cup-9876 10h ago

Keep posting excuses online- I’m sure that’ll help your job search!

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u/Helpful-Garlic1951 12h ago

This sub has been doomer posting even at the height of the market back in like 2021

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u/RageFucker_ 9h ago edited 9h ago

I agree. It's also equally annoying to find devs in these threads who proclaim that AI only or mostly just produces slop. I question whether they've used it recently, whether they've used it properly, or if they've even used it at all.

I'm sure there are bots all over Reddit and I have no idea how to stop those except through better moderating.

I'm sure there are also juniors and recent grads who don't know what to think because:

  1. The job market is horrible for juniors and new grads right now.

  2. There is so much fighting between experienced devs as to whether AI is even usable or how it's going to impact the industry, that they don't know who or what to believe.

Personally, I have seen great success using AI (Github Copilot CLI). I have 21 YOE and I've developed with C++ the entire time. I'm currently working as a AAA game developer in one of the Activision studios. I support Call of Duty every year.

I work in a 30 year old legacy codebase. A lot of the code that I deal with is doing complex stuff like heavy 3D math, rendering, etc. I'm not a graphics engineer, but I get some experience in that.

I've seen my productivity increase over the last year since I've been using AI, particularly over the last 6 months.

Every staff, senior staff and principal engineer I've talked to across multiple studios is also seeing impressive results.

When I'm using AI, I provide requirements and explicit instructions so it knows what the desired behavior should be. When I'm working on a big design, I'll provide all that to multiple agents and have them argue amongst themselves until they come to a consensus. I'll either approve or make some adjustments and restart that process.

We also have guardrails that we use like coding standards, gotchas to look it for in this particular codebase, preferred patterns to use, other tools that might be affected by changes to this codebase or a subsystem in this codebase, etc.

Any AI-generated code gets reviewed by me, then it gets reviewed by different agents until they approve. Then it finally goes to official code review for approval by another AI agent and human domain experts. And obviously there is a lot of testing in that cycle as well.

So when I hear devs claiming that AI isn't useful and only produces slop, I think they're either in denial and haven't used it or haven't used it recently, or they don't know how to use it properly. I would love to know what they're working on that is more complex than C++ code that I talked about earlier. Possibly embedded development using C or Assembly, but I'd still be surprised to hear that AI can't help in that domain.

Not knowing how to use it properly can be everything from not providing explicit instructions and requirements, not using an environment in which the models have access to the entire codebase so they understand the proper context and how it works, or simply accepting whatever it generates and not testing it or reviewing it before submission. Like if you're just copy/pasting code from your codebase into a ChatGPT browser session, it's likely not gonna provide what you need.

Anyway, that's my experience.

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u/boringfantasy 18h ago

The career is over. I think we all realise day to day basically all we do is act as a condom between Claude and prod lol

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u/Game_Dev730 15h ago

Where else would people who never worked before, complain about not getting a 150,000+ job a year starting out, within 2 weeks of graduating?

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u/ganancias 15h ago

It's really only been a thing for about 12 months, starting with opus 4.5. Will be interesting to see whether it will still be laughing topic to joke about, in another 6-12-18mo.

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u/Game_Dev730 14h ago

It has not rofl. This has been cried about since 2023, etc.

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u/ganancias 14h ago

apples and oranges. The 2023 discourse was when chatgpt still couldn't count the number of r's in strawberry. The "AI will kill us all" people were shouting about it in the 1990s.

SWEs only started freaking out after opus 4.5 was one-shotting correct codebases from a single prompt.

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u/Game_Dev730 14h ago

you are still wrong, people were freaking out before that because companies started trying to adapt AI before that. lmao, one-shotting correct codebases from a single prompt? Go have a seat, bro.

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u/ganancias 14h ago

Lol, go try the latest models again, and click on the effort dial before you hit enter this time. Wake up dude.