r/baldursgate • u/rynchenzo Used to be a Moonblade • 1d ago
Relair's Mistake is a meme item, change my mind
The ability to polymorph into a wolf at will is...useless?
It's 2000 easy gold if you ask me
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u/Branciforte 1d ago
It can be extremely helpful if you have low strength. Load up on loot that would normally over encumber you, change into wolf form, and head back to town. That’s the only real use I’ve ever had for it.
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u/Hot-Community-7940 1d ago
It's a good weapon for monks. I also quite enjoyed using it on a Cleric of Lathander. It has a quirk of allowing you to dual wield with no penalty. I'd use it on Monks, Clerics and Thieves as extra melee damage and then sell it by the time you get to Baldur's Gate.
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u/Mumbert I will be the last, and you will go first. 1d ago edited 1d ago
I put it on Xan every playthrough. Not that it makes him a melee beast, but there are some fights in the game where you just want to pile as many melee attacks from your party as possible. With his moonblade in the offhand in wolf form he gets better thac0 than in mainhand without being a wolf, plus also getting two wolf APR on top.
It's a good use for it IMO, it does have some value.
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u/Short-Shopping3197 1d ago
As you asked me to change your mind I’d say that it can’t be a meme item, because the game pre-dates social media and the modern phenomenon of memes. It is just an item that you don’t think is very good.
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u/rynchenzo Used to be a Moonblade 19h ago
A meme is actually anything repeated or copied by someone else. You can have verbal memes like the Budweiser advert from 25 years ago.
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u/Larson_McMurphy 1d ago
Memes predate social media. There were plenty of memes floating around back in the late 90s. Probably before then too, but that is before my time.
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u/Telindra 1d ago
We had caturday and demotivators, and whatever the hell was coming out of ebaums world and that cesspit that was the internet hate machine. Memes even the word didn't exist in the 90s
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u/Short-Shopping3197 1d ago
Yup, which is why specified ‘social media and the modern phenomenon of memes’ to differentiate it from earlier forms. The idea of ‘a meme weapon’ is heavily associated with the mass sharing of videogame clips through social media. I promise you as someone who was there, nobody talked about memes or meme weapons in the 90’s.
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u/Larson_McMurphy 1d ago
No. You just sound like a kid who isn't up to date on internet history who thinks memes are image macros that get shared on social media. You clearly said that it "can't be a meme" because the game "pre-dates social media." Just admit you were wrong.
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u/Short-Shopping3197 1d ago
It’s pretty obvious that OP was talking about ‘meme weapons’ in the modern internet sense, rather than the sense that Richard Dawkins meant it. Now get off and have a nap, you’re being unnecessarily rude.
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u/Larson_McMurphy 23h ago
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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u/Short-Shopping3197 23h ago edited 23h ago
Look I don’t know why you’re being like this. Memes and memetics as a more general idea about information and concepts spreading are of course a concept older than the internet, coined by Dawkins in 1976. The idea of a ‘meme weapon’, or a weapon in a video game which is underpowered but visually comical, so is used often in clips by streamers but isn’t useful for actual players was not around at the time of Baldurs Gate because it predicated on widespread video streaming allowed through social media.
It’s not deep, I don’t know why you’re getting all uppity about it.
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u/Larson_McMurphy 15h ago
"Meme weapon" is not a well defined concept. There is no page for it on Know Your Meme. It sounds like your concept of it is the result of original research or personal opinion.
In any case, in my experience meme weapons clearly predate social media. Back in the late 90s when we were all playing Golden Eye, the Klobb was a meme weapon because it was so shitty it was funny. No one would use it unless they had nothing better, or they were a much better player and were just messing with people.
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u/Short-Shopping3197 14h ago
Fucking hell, sure thing, whatever you like. Go off and bang on at someone else’s online comment now, I’m totally done.
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u/gangler52 1d ago
I usually just put it on Neera so she can use it to turn back human if she accidentally polymorphs herself.
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u/MagicalGirlPaladin Cleric of Hitting People with Hammers 1d ago
Why would anyone change your mind? You're correct, it's just whether you think the joke is funny or not.
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u/HombreRadiactivo2026 1d ago
- The wolf is faster than a humanoid