Im kind of shocked people still has high regards for whistleblowers that end up having a place in public discussion, by logic if they were legit and a threat to the system, military complex and govt, they would already being take care of, besides that the times elizondo has being caught lying make me have serious doubts about the ufo community ctritical thinking skills

But theres a few things i like to discuss about grusch and that can be applied to others.

1. Has grusch ever rejected an stablished ufo theory? Because i saw he talks about lizards inside tic tacs, uderwater bases, plasma beings, war between alien races, everything seems to be true, if the guy cant say what isnt true about ufos, that by simple logic, AND by the fact that dissinformation campaings have been a crticial part of the phenomena (that is one fact no one can dismiss), then hes no stating any truth, hes just confirming tales of others, without evidence btw.
2. On the other side, does he bring any new info about them, in terms of explanation of what they are, or just variations of old/present theories
3. Whats the level of economic benefit hes getting from all this?, elizondo releases books of just bs and use his fame to seel them to people
4. Does he provides dates for event that never came true and then comes up with new ones?, i mean come on, thats when i lost all respect for bledsoe

All this confirms to me that ufo are most likely a physical event for which we have no psychological, scientific framework and even language to adress, identify or process, is an ever morphing presence that takes the shape of the witness and we may need an evolutionary brink to understand, all else are scammers trying to profit and govt trying to control the narrative of something truly unknown

After David Grusch’s recent interview, especially the claims involving apparently different types of non-human beings, my first reaction was basically the same as a lot of people:

This sounds completely insane.

I’m still not saying I believe any of it. But just for fun, I tried to construct a hypothetical framework in which some of these claims (humanoids, "reptilians," beings that resemble us surprisingly closely, etc.) would be slightly less biologically absurd.

So assume, purely for the sake of argument, that the following are true:

1. Life on Earth originated through directed panspermia.

Not merely simple organic molecules arriving on meteorites, but something much more substantial.

The basic machinery of life .. DNA/RNA, proto-cells, or their precursors, arrived on Earth already developed.

Deliberately.

In other words, some extraterrestrial civilization seeded Earth with life.

2. Earth biology is therefore related to extraterrestrial biology.

All life on Earth shares a common ancestor.

But perhaps the ancestor of that ancestor did not originate on Earth.

Earth’s biosphere could simply be one branch of a much larger biological family tree extending across multiple planets.

If so, similarities between terrestrial organisms and extraterrestrial organisms would not necessarily be coincidence or convergent evolution. They could reflect extremely ancient shared ancestry.

3. Evolution on Earth is mostly Darwinian, but occasionally interrupted by artificial genetic engineering.

Natural selection still explains the overwhelming majority of biological change.

However, at certain points in evolutionary history, extraterrestrial civilizations might have deliberately modified existing organisms.

So instead of:

natural evolution OR intelligent design

you would have:

natural evolution + occasional artificial intervention.

4. The emergence of multicellular life could potentially have involved one of these interventions.

Perhaps life remained relatively simple for billions of years, and at some point an outside civilization introduced genetic machinery that made more complex multicellular organisms possible.

After that intervention, evolution continued naturally.

5. The strangely common "humanoid" body plan among alleged intelligent aliens could itself be artificial.

One of the strangest things in UFO mythology is that supposedly unrelated intelligent species often seem remarkably similar:

• bilateral symmetry
• two arms
• two legs
• a head
• two eyes
• roughly human proportions
• upright posture

If these species evolved independently on different planets, that similarity seems suspiciously convenient.

But perhaps they did not evolve independently.

Maybe intelligent civilizations routinely genetically engineer developing species into a body plan resembling themselves.

In that scenario, the humanoid form would spread throughout the galaxy culturally and technologically rather than purely through evolution.

6. "Reptilian" aliens would not necessarily be related to Earth reptiles.

The word “reptilian” may simply describe superficial characteristics such as scales, skin texture, eyes, or facial structure.

If the resemblance is genuinely close, there are several possibilities.

Perhaps the extraterrestrial lineage possessed those traits first, and similar traits later evolved independently on Earth.

Or perhaps some terrestrial lineages were deliberately engineered using biological templates from extraterrestrial organisms.

Or the resemblance might simply be superficial, and the word "reptilian" is misleading.

7. The alleged pale/Nordic/human-looking beings could theoretically explain why humans look strangely similar to some claimed extraterrestrials.

Rather than asking:

"Why would aliens from another planet coincidentally look human?"

Reverse it.

Why do humans look like them?

Perhaps an older humanoid extraterrestrial civilization genetically modified an ancestral primate population and pushed it toward a body plan resembling their own.

Human beings would therefore be a partly engineered terrestrial species modelled after them.

8. Ancient "gods" could have been interactions with these humanoid extraterrestrials.

Very speculative.

If technologically advanced humanoid beings interacted with ancient humans, they could easily have been interpreted as gods, angels, messengers, or supernatural entities.

Under this hypothesis, some religious traditions might preserve distorted memories of such encounters.

For example, stories involving:

• the God/angels of the Abrahamic traditions
• Moses and the Israelite prophets
• Jesus
• Muhammad
• Greek, Nordic, Indian and other gods and divine beings

could represent ancient human interpretations of encounters with technologically advanced non-human intelligences.

Miracles would then be misunderstood technology.

9. Different extraterrestrial groups seem hostile toward one another.

This is from Grusch, multiple alien civilizations operate around Earth, and it seems they're not cooperating.

Why though?

Possibly most alleged UFO crash-retrieval stories could theoretically be vehicles damaged during conflicts between different non-human groups.

A disabled craft entering Earth’s atmosphere could then crash because of gravitational capture or loss of control.

I would expect events like this to be rare, but that they form the majority of all crashes, which would make more sense to me than the idea that hyper-advanced aliens routinely crash because they are bad pilots, or because they're "gifting" the crafts.

The largest unanswered question in this whole speculative framework is still:

Why don’t they reveal themselves openly?

If extraterrestrial civilizations have:

• seeded life on Earth
• modified terrestrial organisms
• engineered humanity
• interacted with ancient civilizations
• influenced religions
• operated vehicles around Earth
• and occasionally fought each other here

then hiding from modern humanity seems increasingly difficult to explain.

You would need some additional principle ... non-interference, deliberate social experimentation, political agreements between alien groups, fear of destabilizing civilization, or something else entirely.

The End ...

Hey everyone:

First off I agree with the sentiment that we need evidence as the public before we can fully believe Grusch’s claims, despite his qualifications. But we CANNOT ignore the 2 (public, I’d wager there are more than 2 total) interrogatories that were sent out of Eric Burlisons office before the summer. One was sent to MIT Lincoln labs, the other was sent to MITRE.

If you read the letters, Grusch knew the SPECIFIC FILE that was eventually declassified by MIT Lincoln Labs after over 70s years. However the MITRE interrogatory (which if real, as UAP Gerb has discussed, is likely monitoring the underwater “base” in the Atlantic Ocean) has been ignored by MITRE. MITRE has the evidence that we all want at least for this specific section, and Grusch very publicly requested it though Burlison.

In my first livestream, I go over some of the hot topics from the Grusch interview, but also break down the specific narrative that has been forming for the last few years: the underwater base theory. This of course intertwines with the 4chan whistleblower, but also things like the supposed “New Jersey drone flap” (which has been going on for longer than that, I think we need to pay special attention to the Langley AFB incident where “drones” flew over a top base unimpeded for 17 straight days in 2023).

Not take everything word for word, but at least look into the narrative that’s been building through whistleblower testimony, document trails, mass sightings, anonymous posts and more.

Link to MITRE interrogatory: https://burlison.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/burlison.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/mitre_uap-legislative-interrogatories_press.pdf

There are important reasons why UFOs and other associated phenomena labeled as “paranormal” are not studied by mainstream academic science. It is not realistic to expect that professional scientists could adequately investigate flying saucers even if they attempted to do so. This is not only because the scientific establishment is under the economic control of ruling elites that in my opinion view flying saucers as a profound threat to their power. In addition, until very recently, if scientific researchers dared to openly declare UFOs to be a subject worthy of investigations and then initiated them, those scientists would surely lose institutional funding thus ending their careers. It is important to note that the newly established Galileo Project relies on private non-institutional funding and is seen as highly controversial by the scientific establishment. 

A POWERFUL TELEPATHIC INTELLIGENCE

When addressing flying saucers, we are dealing with powerful non-human intelligences that in my experience are totally telepathic. They are not only smarter than us, but they also choose to deliberately keep secret who they truly are and why they do what they do. Science can’t create experiments to study them because the so-called aliens almost always stage encounters with us exclusively on their terms. Establishing scientifically controlled conditions required for experimentation is impossible under these circumstances.

STRIVING FOR MORE OPENNESS AND EQUALITY

Many contact experiencers describe interacting with UFO intelligence on an ongoing basis. I consider myself an experiencer as well. As such, we can strive to negotiate with these non-human forces hoping to achieve more openness and equality in our relationships with them. But this is something professional science can’t do because it is designed to investigate objective mechanisms of the natural world. The actions of a mysterious non-human intelligence can in no way be described as “objective.”

USING THE TOOLS OF SCIENCE

As flying saucer investigators, we use the tools of science to study UFO intelligence. As experiencers with ongoing encounters we have opportunities to make detailed observations under a wide range of circumstances. We may employ technology that has been created by science such as video cameras, night vision scopes, telescopes, and electromagnetic field detectors. These devices help us generate data, but we analyze this data not as academic scientists do, say working in a laboratory with strict technical protocols. Instead we operate in ways similar to criminal investigators or intelligence agents. 

THE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE MODEL MAY BE A BETTER FIT

An even better paradigm than the scientific model, in my opinion, is to view our research within the intelligence-counterintelligence model first put forward two decades ago by the talented non-human intelligence analyst Val Germann. Prominent UFO investigators sadly ignore his work, like that of so many other important thinkers in this field. 

I have modified his 1990s analysis to serve the needs of what I imagine will be a future social movement addressing the issue of flying saucers with the goal of linking the phenomenon to possible solutions for the seemingly unsurmountable challenges facing humanity. These include war, racism, environmental pollution and the resulting global climate change. 

WORKING FOR A “HIGHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY”

In a certain sense the entire flying saucer subculture, our videos, books, the oh-so-many entertaining talks by celebrities often called “leaders”, can be viewed as being “agents of influence” working for a “higher intelligence agency.” The phrase “higher intelligence agency” was coined by Dr. Jacques Vallee in his classic work, “Messengers of Deception.” 

In my opinion, Vallee’s important research should be carefully studied and discussed by UFO activists, experiencers, and investigators. Alas, flying saucer enthusiasts often ignore his radical analysis. Unfortunately, many UFO fans would prefer to argue over the latest video posted on YouTube rather than to reflect on how we are interacting with UFOs in a broad psychosocial context. 

FLYING SAUCERS THREATEN ALL TERRESTRIAL ELITES

Fortunately a growing number of observers now understand that our determination to uncover the truth is opposed by all terrestrial elites. And these powerful groups empower special operatives, the so-called “control groups” to keep a lid on the UFO situation. In my experience, their clandestine operations have targeted UFO experiencers, for surveillance and even “dirty tricks.” Alleged military abductions of contact experiencers referred to as Milabs (if such attacks are real) would fall into this targeted category.

In some extreme cases, the control groups might even deal with us as if we were “enemy agents” in a war like situation. This stance, although extremely unenlightened from my point of view, has a kind of logic to it. There are many well-documented accounts within the UFO literature that describe conflict between terrestrial armed forces and flying saucers. Those that promote friendship and cooperation are possibly viewed by some elements within the control groups as giving “comfort to an enemy” in an undeclared war. 

UFOs AND THOSE THAT STUDY THEM ARE NOT THE ENEMY

In my opinion, we as UFO witnesses, contact experiencers, and seasoned investigators are not anybody’s enemy. We are truth seekers that have encountered something truly amazing, a phenomenon that is undeniably a great mystery. And as we attempt to solve this enigma, we should search for peaceful life affirming ways to understand better not only what UFOs are, but also how our civilization might be able to evolve by interacting with them. This goes way beyond what professional science should be asked to accomplish.

Additional Comments by the author:

Hundreds of years ago, the Christian religious establishment considered science to be “heretical” when it served as a champion for the truth against forces of ignorance and superstition. Now professional science serves the power elites and refuses to take an interest in anomalies that just might hold the key to solving great mysteries. The greatest mystery of all might be what is the nature of consciousness.

At the end of the 19th century, the scientific establishment lived in a mental universe in which Newtonian mechanics was viewed as a complete explanation of the cosmos. One prominent physicist boasted that only the next set of decimal points in old calculations needed to be worked out. Then within two decades, relativity and quantum mechanics burst forth on the scene. And with these discoveries all modern electronics, computers, space travel and the creation of a new scientific paradigm was forged. 

Alas, professional science has become the servant of power, but that too can change. ESP, UFOs, ghosts, and a host of other subjects, now designated as the “Contact Modalities” by author Rey Hernandez, await the attention of professional science. The struggle to change the agenda of institutional science will not be an easy one. This is because academic institution-based research is controlled primarily by corporate and the US Federal government agendas. The control system is maintained by political and academic operatives that control funding for research. 

To explore the Contact Modalities in their complexities will require a new generation of scientists who refuse to be stifled by the institutional imperatives that serve the corporate and oligarchic interests. This next generation will need to focus on consciousness and accept the possibility that consciousness and not mass/energy is the wellspring of creation. 

Institutional science has become a kind of materialist secular religion that has been called scientism. Anomalies that contradict existing theories of causation and mind-matter separation are denied. As mentioned above, maverick scientists are disciplined with loss of funding when they commit the heresy of merely expressing an interest in forbidden topics. 

Joseph Burkes MD

Alexandru Sift was a Romanian biologist from Cluj-Napoca who spent decades photographing unusual phenomena in and around the Hoia-Baciu Forest.

In July 1953, he reported seeing another gray V descend into a hawthorn bush. Sift said when he pushed a stick into it, the stick and his arm became invisible. He said the incident was the beginning of his systematic investigations.

In one photo, Sift photographed the “disappearance of an apparition.” According to Pătruț, a male humanoid was visible to the naked eye and appeared to disappear instantaneously.

Another photograph by Pătruț shows a male head at ground level near the forest edge.

According to Florin Gheorghiță, the photograph of the cat was accompanied by a letter from Sift in which he claimed that he had dematerialized the cat through the power of his will.

I'm not religious or super spiritual but I think one of the reasons why we're not getting disclosure is that we've not figured out what happens after we die. Do you think aliens know it?

It's very difficult to set this up as it is at the intersection of spirituality and entire UAP topic. But the topic is fundamentally intertwined. It is not only intertwined, it is the core of it. This entire topic is about human experience and consciousness and unless people wake up to that, it will remain being elusive flying saucers in the sky.

I have out of body experiences myself. I'm not able to convey those in a reddit post as it usually sounds preachy and like a superior ego trip. I just want to say that I know many of those things mentioned here about nature of reality and who we are, are true. I know that from experience. Take it as you will, but if you want to know what's realy happening, this is probably it and you'll have a choice to make your own decision, what reality you want.

The first time I had contact with ETs I was around 19/20 years old.

I had been interested in the topic and my mom had shared that she had seen crafts before. The more research I did on my own the more I opened myself to having an experience. My mom's sitings made me think maybe the ETs have been connecting with my bloodline for some generations.

The night before the experience I know it's coming. I knew I'd be visited that night and I couldn't shake the knowing. It was unsettling and I was scared/nervous. I almost drove myself to the hospital or cops just so I could have a pair of eyes on me. Eventually I settle down enough that I go to sleep and then ... I woke up.

I look up and I see the room filled with orbs of light. Different shades of pinks and purples. There's one being with a physical body. Tall. Slender. Blue skin with magenta polka dots. I lay there knowing I had just been returned. My heart is racing but the polka dots gave me the ick. There were so many emotions running through me.

I found it hard to integrate this experience at that age. "NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN" was my take away and I made myself forget about the experience for about a decade.

It can be quite the shock to be visited and I dont think people realize just how much it shakes your world/universal view. I don't believe anything evil was done to me and I was the one that sent the invitation out. The meeting was consensual but it still freaked me the fuck out enough I repressed the experience for a decade.

During this time I practiced meditation, worked with plant medicines to identify and integrate trauma, and worked on being overall just a better person. I became more familiar with what unconditional love actually means and i was able to forgive a lot of people in my life, including me. I was able to have a better relationship with a lot of the traumatic experiences from my life and eventually I remembered this ET experience.

I jumped at the opportunity to work through my fears of making contact again and I'm happy to report I've had a handful more experiences since then. This has about 4 years ago now that I reopened myself up to contact and I understand why abduction experiences are painted as traumatizing and why ETs get such a bad reputation.

I do believe on a higher soul level we agree to help these ETs. I believe my family has been in contact with them for generations and these ETs and I, along with other experiencers, may actually be related in some way. The experience is scary yes but going to the doctor is scary for a child and going to the vet is scary for a pet. How do you explain to these two that the doctor is there to help? Hell I recently had a procedure where I was awake and it was difficult to remember the doctor was helping me.

I don't think this post is for everyone. Some people still remember their experience as highly traumatizing. I get it. Some people's experience may differ than mine. Those feelings are valid.

I do want to say, for those "ready" for open contact. Be careful what you wish for. These beings energetic field is HUGE. You know the confidence of someone that walks into the room and commands the space? It's at least 1000 times that. It can be difficult to maintain your sense of self around them so strengthening your connection to yourself is important.

That's partly why my first experience was so scary. I didn't have a strong connection to myself. I was a bouy floating in the ocean instead of an anchor firmly in place. I belive open contact will unfold more smoothly if it's in a mass scale. Knowing we're all in this together is going to be a huge help.

Thank you for listening.

I’m pretty new to this space. The Age of Disclosure really opened my mind to the whole phenomenon, and naturally, I’ve spent the last few months going down the rabbit hole.

Now, with the tranches coming out and information being drip-fed without full disclosure, we all seem to be asking the same questions: What will it take? Why can’t we get the truth?

I think corruption, secrecy, and a lot of the more rational explanations people bring up could account for it. But a small part of me wonders: What if the fucking greys, reptilians, and/or Nordics are already running the government? If we’re entertaining that possibility, wouldn’t the most effective way to prevent disclosure be for the phenomenon itself to be in charge?

One reason I keep coming back to this is that, presumably, if they wanted to reveal themselves, they could. People talk about, what, seven different species? Assuming any of that is true, you’re telling me not ONE of them has said “FUCK IT,” landed on the White House lawn, and let the world know?

Are they all working together? Or would revealing themselves be the equivalent of dropping a nuke, something multiple groups are capable of doing, but everyone avoids because of the consequences?

Sometimes it feels like there has to be something much deeper going on, or there’s nothing there at all. I catch myself bouncing between “they’re already in control and passing as human” and “maybe there aren’t any aliens here in the first place.” I struggle to understand the purpose of hiding for this long.

But maybe that’s just my little human brain trying to make sense of something I can’t comprehend. Maybe the ant analogy applies, and we’re barely capable of understanding what we’re looking at.

Still, assuming the encounters people describe are real, we seem pretty interesting to them. Even with the zoo hypothesis, there are zookeepers who interact with and take care of the animals. So where the hell are our zookeepers? lol.

I don’t know, man. I’m not claiming any of this is true just trying to make sense of the possibilities. What do you think would explain the continued secrecy if some form of nonhuman intelligence really is here?

Just reposting... what's it looking like? Balloon maybe but change of direction is odd

1. Aliens respect the government? It's allowing separate countries to act independently from each other in regards to their UAP programs. Also, they're willing to engage with and speak to government or shadow government officials.

So they are giving humanity some autonomy when it comes to when and where they will be revealed to us.

They're just not landing in the middle of some neighborhood while everyone has ultra 4k phones and just letting us know that they're here.

2. They are strictly under a non intervention protocol unless nuclear weapons are involved.

Meaning all sorts of brutality that humans do they will just sit back and watch. Sort of like watching animals in a zoo.

Endless wars, serial killers, school shooters, ect so on and so forth are allowed to exist and we are allowed to kill each other while being observed by them.

Unless nuclear weapons are involved and perhaps thats when they may observe more closely or even intervene? But they did let us nuke Japan twice... so.

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To them we're literally just animals and they're observing us until total self annihilation then maybe they will stop it.

Kind of embarrassing if you think about it.

What do I think?

I think it's more likely than not that there is a real Star Trek style federation where once a civilization gets to a certain technological and societal threshold they get invited into.

Who knows, maybe we are already invited to it but only select people in the government/shadow government.

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Reason why I bring this up is that I just think it's interesting to think that government is a human invention but maybe its more universal than we think. Government is basically an extremely common thing in the universe.

I had multiple experiences from 1997 to 2015 more or less, of all kinds- sleep paralysis abductions, and one that was “kind of” verified in the middle of the time it happened. Then in 2019 I had a vivid dream in which I was told the experiences were over, that ‘they’ were done with me, that from now on anything that happened would be either dream memories of the past, or just nightmares, and after that everything just stopped, until this morning.
At exactly 6:45 AM, I opened my eyes and there was a figure that was as tall as my bedroom ceiling, kinda looked like a grey (bald & big head, but not ridiculously large for the proportions), ugly face but no bug eyes, su ugly it was horrible; and I immediately started screaming in terror, waking my husband, who couldn’t see him. I screamed “he’s right here!” And he was like “what?” so I swung at him yelling “he’s right here!” and my fist went right through him, and I turned the light on and he wasn’t there anymore.
TLDR
I haven’t had anything that even resembled dreams about visitation or anything NHI-ish since 2019 (one dream, experiences long before) but this morning it was terrifying.

I guess I want to know if anything has happened to anyone today after years of nothing happening.
Thanks.

More and more celebs are coming out and speaking about alien encounters. I wonder how much strange stuff happens around celebrities that we never hear about lol.

If contact is happening, people with that much influence would be an interesting place to start. Imagine how many people one encounter could reach.