I want to see shitty stupid miserable trans men characters, AND I want to see succesful glamorous beautiful trans men characters 𤡠I just want well written stories that have this aspect of relatablility to me
I mean tbf he is literally a trans allegory, Transmasc too, considering he rejects the mannequin in the Mettaton dress if you try to insert the disc into it.
that is what the textual evidence implies to a lot of trans folk like me, its not that its made up. also people do make trans pure headcannons that are completley unsupported, like trans noelle which is more clearly in my mind about ideal representation then a thematically intended one
why would i want? we dont pick and choose we go off what is presented to us narrtively. spamton has stuff going on trans people recognize in themselves. its not like cis should be considered the default for these characters in the first place imo.
Sorry, but what about this guy can trans people relate to exactly ? Dude is a shady dealmaker who lives in a dumpster and used to be a [BIG SHOT] before he was kicked out of Queen's Mansion. He was also betrayed by his lover and is the most divorced man imaginable with only Asgore as competition for that title. He sounds more relatable to divorced chuds in their 40s who just got into cryptocurrency and NFTs to compensate for their failed marriage. I'm genuinely asking btw because I have no idea what about that character got trans people thinking "Damn, he's just like me fr". I mean good for them but I am still very confused as to why that is.
for me, his whole thing about hating himself and wanting a new body and Immediately going 'HOLY [Cungadero] DO I FEEL GOOD' when he gets the NEO body feels pretty relatable. In cyber city, you can find a mannequin with the mettaton dress on it that's shaped like spamton. When you have the loadeddisk, you can try to use it on the mannequin and the text says it squirms and refuses to fit which implies to me that spamton Refuses to go into a feminine presenting body. there's more, but that's just off the top of my head. idk he's pretty relatable to me as a transmasc person
Also as he becomes closer to his ideal body his voice gets deeper, ofc very similar to trans men on T
He's also super connected to Mettaton, his Neo Body is actually Mettaton's discarded dream and Mettaton is canonically transmasc (ghosts are enby by "default", Mettaton transitioned NB to Male while Maddie transitioned NB to Female) so Spamton literally transitions into having a trans man's body lol
If you're gonna be "woke" enough to say shit like "my they", you should probably back that up with the basic effort of checking to see if someone has pronouns listed before sayin shit like that
I think what trips people up here is that they try to point out surface level observations about his character like him scamming people or being a salesman when really the value of a trans interpretation of Spamton is seen more in his abstract qualities and the themes of his story.
At least to me, the interesting part about him being trans is the way the narrative ties his ability to transition or present the way he wants to his success. Spamton is a character that undergoes a lot of change, both on and offscreen. His story of once being part of a group and wanting to break free from the standards imposed upon him, as well as only being able to thrive by doing so, works well as a trans allegory. Iâm a very ambitious person, and the way my dysphoria interacts with that ambition I feel is reflected in Spamtonâs writing. Itâs something that holds you down, prevents you from ever being truly free to be who you want and the distress it causes dampens your motivation to do anything. Spamton making a name for himself outside of being an addison parallels the process of transition, and when he loses everything, including his masculine image, he parallels this process again when in search for the neo body. I mean, neo is literally a drawing of an ideal form made by mettaton, a trans man. And while his plan doesnât work out, since his story is ultimately one of tragedy and failure, there are still parts of it that I find inspiring. Maybe more so in a âcautionary taleâ sort of way, but he is also a very stubborn character that refuses to give up his goal through many major setbacks. I think Spamtonâs ultimate downfall was losing himself in the process of trying to find his freedom. He became obsessive, and eventually his own freedom mattered more to him than what he could gain from it in the first place. He lost sight of what âmaking it bigâ was even for.
I donât think I worded this the best I could have but hopefully it helped you understand the idea behind trans Spamton a bit more.
Not every character that has a trans headcanon mean we want it has representation, it's like people saying "WHY WOULD YOU WANT JAX TO REPRESENT YOU??" like bro, Jax just happens to be trans, we don't use her has representation for the very fact of her being trans, same with headcanons or any character that is a minority at all
To be fair, most people don't click on profile; even today people call me Jeff for a reason, and they use masculine pronouns even though my profile states that I use she/them.
It's neutral so the person that is responding to you doesn't assume your gender beforehand, normally when you're responding to someone you don't go to their profile, you first respond
it was the way they did it with "my they" that made it sound funny. i agree they/themming is generally the neutral way to refer to someone you dont know
would you believe me if i said i never once had these assumptions or even thoughts about any of this while playing the games before i looked into internet discourse
i wouldnt really call it discourse but thats understandable. im also trans and didnt see much in spamton until the parallels were laid out to me and now i think it was definitely intentional
I came to the conclusion on my own but only because I already really liked Spamton as a character and spent hours thinking about him and analyzing his story, so nah I donât think it makes sense for the average player to assume anything unless they were really invested in Spamton.
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u/GutAManUI>Your voice is sweet music to my ears㠤㠤㠤㠤â â¤ď¸>SHUT!!!! UP!!!!15h ago
I'm not even trans but I too want to be a BIG SHOT.
still can't convince me that the "erm, it's misgendering" crowd isn't pulling a 1984 in the way of not banning the thing specifically, but just disallowing talking about it.
like how do we get rid of trans fan works? just ban everything that doesn't use the canon pronouns and have them dance around in a linguistic labyrinth if they do dare to try
Im not going to tell them if they are right or wrong. Im just going to give them the information and let them reach their own conclusion from it.
Mostly so that people realize that people arent just... saying he is just because. I want people to see there is.. alot to this actually.
My deduction... this was very intentional. Me thinks it might just be. I cant blame people too bad for thinking otherwise since I think out of all out canonical trans characters. He is the one who I think is way less clear then mettaton and mew mew.
(Speaking of MTT not sure why this post seems to think were ignoring the canonical trans man icon when in fact he is integral to the theory tbh)
If Kaitlyn Jenner killed somebody with her car, then yes, yes I can also sit here and say Spamton might be transgender, and the fact that heâs an awful creature has no bearing on that
Transton Gender Transton will always be peak but I WILL FOREVER LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I HAVE NEVER RESONATED SO HARD WITH A CHARACTER OTHER THAN THE PISSY BITCHY PINKY ANIME CAT GIRL
This is like, what? The third time the trans community suddenly started being obsessed with a character out of nowhere, first was ralsei, ok i get that, then noelle for some reason, and NOW spamton? What the hell is happening
You said suddenly, this is not a sudden thing. Hell people have had noelle and ralsei trans headcanons for a while, it's just more relevant with the princess line.
"Heavily implied" yeah, no, it's just a headcanon, and people pretend it's real to satisfy themselves, because obviously every character is trans coded, am i right?
Why do people go for these characters when pink is right there
spamton is so heavily implied that it's nearly canon, and i don't say that about any other theory. like there are just so many things implying it that would make no sense for toby to have added for no reason, like everything about the dress
basically there is a mannequin item which wears a dress (notably the same dress worn by mettaton and the trans lion in undertale), with the mannequin being shaped like spamton and even having the same resistances as the other spamton items have.
you can basically try to put spamton into the dress but if you do so he will squirm and refuse, with the dress previously having been used to indicate an acceptance of femininity,
now before you say "oh it's just a joke about him not wanting to wear a dress!" why would he have used that specific dress instead of just using literally anything else that doesn't already have implied symbolism from the previous game?
This is genuinely, and i mean GENUINELY by far the most stretch i have EVER seen. "Heavily implied" my ass, that's the most average toby joke in the game
I can get spamton being a headcannon, but ralsei is RIGHT THERE
Like "I've been a prince but never been a princess, I suppose it's just a matter of how you present yourself" "blue and pink drink enjoy it princess" etc like wdym headcannon???
You mean 2 optional scenes one of which gets blocked by a joke character and the other is said by a character that really likes to rage bait people? And how is blue and pink colors are even related to that "ah yes, 2 colors that are supposed to represent color pallet of another character, that means trans ralsei is 100% confirmed!!!!!!"
Nothing is confirmed yet, it's better to think of it as a headcanon before you get disappointed
Blue and pink are transfem color? Says who? It's just colors, colors don't have gender or sexuality, you don't just take a pair of colors and say "this represents me and ONLY me, and if you use it that means you are representing me, intentionally or not" so weird
The trans flag also has white in it, yet there is no white to be seen in the drink. However, blue and pink also just happen to be the colors of the two people closest to him.... Oh jeez I sure wonder what all that symbolism means???
Oh my god please shut the fuck up with the NB Ralsei bullshit. He's literally referred to as "they" only twice, once from Asgore (who doesn't know who he is) and his title (which is a metaphor).
Shit-eating smug wording never helps in any situation btw.
see itâd help maybe if you didnât just cherry pick parts of my argument to reply to LMAO. anyways
âasgore who doesnât know who [they are]â as if susie, who doesnât look like any other character, isnât immediately identified as a girl. and also ralsei literally resembles the Exact same type of monster that asgore is??? how does everyone who isnât the same type of monster as susie identify susie as a girl, and then asgore of all canât identify ralsei as non-binary?
not to mentioned fangamer also refers to a ralsei plush with they/them, and lancer calls them âtoothpaste boyâ or âpeachboyâ or âkindboyâ or whatnot (though i guess TECHNICALLY you could argue he was listening to ralseiâs legend explanationâŚâŚâŚ if that didnât also apply if you also skip the legend. not to mention one of ralseiâs titles in chapter 2 (âprickly prince / deals damage with his rugged scarfâ) and that them being referred to with âtheyâ isnât a noticeable difference.
also to bring in the authorâs style, we are dealing with toby âwonât make official translations for undertale and deltarune because heâs too worried about preserving his visionâ fox here.
No they very much have not. Recently leaked dms apparently showcased a bit of a psyop going on where anyone disagreeing with it or arguing against the misgendering of ralsei is grounds for banning.
I know weâre in a shitpost sub but I hate when people undermine Spamtonâs character.
Heâs a sociopathic narcissist who manipulates others to claw his way to the top.
I say this because his evilness makes him way more fun.
Spamton believes that obtaining a new/different body will fix all of his issues and finally give him freedom outside of the role he has been assigned. He definitely works as a trans parallel and I'm not sure how it's being missed this badly.
a pattern i'm seeing with all the "deltarune character is trans" theories/headcanons is that it usually only works as an allegory more than anything else, yet people imply that that makes the character inherently trans for some reason. this, and the situations of other characters like ralsei and noelle, can be applied to trans issues as much as it can be applied to a whole myriad of issues one can have, i don't really see the point on focusing on just one.
I don't really see why it's an issue though? Art is subjective, and different people will take different interpretations away from it based on their lived experiences. It makes sense for trans people to read trans parallels into characters that cis people may instead interpret differently.
I'm asexual myself and I have a list of characters I read asexual parallels into that I don't see allosexual people considering. Neither of us are "wrong" in our interpretations, we're just viewing stories in different ways.
i didn't say it's an issue, i just personally prefer to focus on how these character's experiences make sense in advancing the plot. obviously it's okay to headcanon something.
my main complaint, however, is how some mfs call me transphobic for not having the same headcanon (mostly with ralsei but i wouldn't be surprised if someone said the same shit in this thread).
I get that. Unfortunately in the current environment itâs hard to tell legitimate questions around trans identities from people just being straight up transphobic, so itâs no wonder people are defensive.
i've tried sitting through theory videos before and i can never keep attention for like more than 3 minutes. so if someone could provide a tldr that'd be great.
mettaton is a trans man, spamton wants mettaton's neo body for his own. he has adverse reactions to the mannequin which is feminine. he lays eggs. all the other addisons use gender neutral pronouns but spamton is explicitly male.
i've never understood how "character a wants character b's (who is trans) thing, therefore character a is trans". there's way more sound evidence in this thread but still i've seen people say "ralsei is trans because he finds the undertale dress cute and mettaton wore it" that doesn't make any fucking sense what.
Im pretty sure they use the "spamton was emails physically printed out into paper mail" thingy as like, an analogy for transitioning, which is weird because spamton is in immense suffering for not being able to link hyperlinks thru printer ink
i mean ig i could see that correlating to the "turning into a [real boy]" thing but i thought that was supposed to correlate to freedom, as a sort of analogue to kris. i don't get the point of implying it has to do with gender all of a sudden.
idk everyone keeps saying "there's no way this isn't intentional". but then again a lot of people say that about galsei while most of the evidence for that is extremely dubious.
Yeah, thats what a headcanon is. I can headcanon random background npc #429 as trans and you cant stop me. I cant enforce it on others, but you cant stop my brain.
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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking 15h ago
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that all of a sudden it was "Be gay, DON'T break the law"