r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 18h ago

Discussion She almost ruined a proposal.

This was at Crescent Bay Point Park, which allows people to book it special occasions.

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u/MisfitMinion 18h ago

That wouldn't have mattered. She would have demanded proof, because clearly she has authority over everything and everyone! They would have refused and then she'd have called the cops anyway. Lose/lose.

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u/CCHS_Band_Geek 18h ago

eeexactly... these kinds of "people" move the goal posts as much as possible. The key is to stop humoring then IMO

Oh you called the cops? Great! when they get here we will talk to them. For now please shut your mouth and move away from me.

Anything else should only be met with "Don't give a fuck, you're being recorded -- go away."

-- Politeness is what allows them to feel empowered/entitled

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u/wthwtfwthwtf-_- 17h ago

It's the sense of inherent authority that's the root problem...

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u/paltrypickle 17h ago

And… superiority to anyone that isn’t white.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 14h ago

They'd be issued a permit for exactly this reason. It's perfectly reasonable to ask for proof and there is no good reason to refuse to provide it asked.

Being rude and racist about it is another matter.

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u/HyenaThen572 14h ago

Call the police if you think it's an issue.

Karen has no authority to get in their faces about it.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 13h ago

She did call the police. You really think that was the right action?

Why not try and resolve things in the first instance with a polite conversation? You don't have to have authority to ask for a permit. If someone won't show it to you, then you see if you can work out a compromise if possible or call the police if not. Escalating straight to the police in this instance seems a bit extreme, don't you think?

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u/HyenaThen572 13h ago

Great.

So she had to be a racist asshole too?

She could've just called the police and moved along with her life.

Weird to defend her.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 13h ago

We can agree that she didn't have to be a racist asshole. I'll go further and say she shouldn't have been a racist asshole.

She could have called the police and gone on with her life, but that would have been a dick move because whether or not the couple had a permit it would have meant that a police car would rock up and they'd be questioned, which would tarnish the moment.

Why not have a conversation? Why are you so keen to bring the authorities into situations like this which might be resolved by being adult about it?

It's possible to have some sympathy for what someone does while condemning how they do it. Weird you can't see that.

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u/Calembreloque 13h ago

Or, or, hear me out, she could mind her own fucking business. Clearly no one else is using this space. It's a public park. She's not looking to set out a party, she's walking her dog. Why should she a) give a shit, and more importantly b) assume they don't have a permit?

If I see people setting up a block party on my street, even if it inconveniences me, I'm going to assume that they have the permit for it. What a sad world it would be if I acted otherwise, going down the street bothering every paletero, every lemonade stand, every estate sale. I genuinely cannot fathom why would anyone go through life like this.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 12h ago

So you're now jumping from she should have called the police to she should mind her own business. Ok, let's go with that.

Presumably she wanted to walk her dog in the park but felt she couldn't because they had turned it into a set. That makes it her business. She should give a shit because she wants to use it as a public park, but they've turned it into a private set - which is perfectly acceptable if they have a permit, which makes it her business to know whether they do or not.

Maybe you are ok with being inconvenienced, but you don't get to decide that that is the correct course of action for everyone. We have laws and permits to protect people from being inconvenienced because some people are selfish and there are limits on people's rights to be selfish.

No one (except you) is suggesting anyone asks every x, y and z for their permit. We are talking about cases where someone is being inconvenienced. A permit is permission to inconvenience people in a specific way, in a specific place for a specific amount of time. There's nothing wrong with asking whether someone has that permission or asking to see it so you know whether the block party will continue after 9pm if you have kids, or if the people who have paid for the right for exclusive use of the park you want to walk your dog in will be there for another ten minutes or another two hours.

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u/Calembreloque 11h ago

But my point is it's clearly not inconveniencing her. It's two people with cameras, a tripod and some sort of awning. She's walking her dog. She's clearly not unable to do so, there's nothing stopping her from walking the dog. The Venn diagram of her use of the space and their use of the space is two separate circles - I guess technically they're both on the sidewalk for like 30 seconds together? Is that what constitutes inconvenience warranting the interaction? Did it seem like she was unable to use the park for her purposes?

And she didn't ask "oh, how long are you guys going to be around?" or even "do you have a permit for that?", she started from a position of "you're not allowed to be here, I'm calling the cops". Which was incorrect.

I agree that permits exist for a reason, and that they "privatized" this area of the park. I disagree that mild inconvenience is a good enough threshold to bother people who are planning/running an event like you're Paul Blart Mall Cop, and I disagree that it warrants this level of questioning. When it's 4th of July and my kid is kept awake by the neighbors' fireworks, I'm ticked off, but I still don't go around asking for their permits either because I understand that I may be inconvenienced from time to time, it's part and parcel of living in a community.

Finally, I know you've brushed off the tone and racism of the lady as a separate matter, but I also disagree here. The rudeness and bigotry she exhibits are part of the behavior just as much as the prattling about permits. If I had to guess, the same scenario would have played differently if they were playing Sweet Caroline.

Also I never argued for calling the police, that's a detestable position. That was another commenter. But in all cases, I doubt we'll bridge the gap on that topic so I'm happy to leave it there.

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u/eighty_billion 8h ago

I dunno, she seemed to be walking her dog with no issue. I think probably the biggest interruption was her own when she confronted these folks. 

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u/cheffgeoff 11h ago

I'm shocked that people don't understand this but all those things you listed need to DISPLAY permits if they are required and obtained. Not only can people ask for those permits but they need to be out and readable at all times. You can't just pull them out of your pocket when someone asks for it.

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u/eighty_billion 8h ago

This is objectively not true. Maybe in some parks but obviously not everywhere. 

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u/eighty_billion 8h ago

Do you intervene in every public gathering that inconveniences you? That has to be stressful

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u/cheffgeoff 12h ago

You have to display a film permit. It should prominently displayed and have easy access to it in multiple locations if necessary. I have been on a set that got a ticket for not having their permit accessible enough. Any one in the public needs to be able to ask where the permit is and have instant access to it. It's written at the top of the permit in big bold font that "This permit needs to be displayed yada yada yada" in most municipalities I have been in (I used to do film and tv catering). She literally has every authority to get in their faces about it and so do you.

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u/HyenaThen572 10h ago

It's not TV.

It's a private thing. I could do this with my friend and nobody is going to care.

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u/cheffgeoff 9h ago

For TV or not doesn't have anything to do with the by-laws. You can't legally just hire a photographer and a band, set up in a park and film it without a permit. You can't even hire a band to play for you and not have a permit regardless of filming or not either. Your lack of knowledge of the law doesn't have anything to do with the actual law.

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u/HyenaThen572 9h ago

Show us the law.

Sounds to me like you had to do stuff for work and are upset that private folks don't have to deal with the same bullshit lol.

If not the law - at least keep this level of saltiness so I can laugh about how pressed you are LMAO

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u/cheffgeoff 9h ago

Los Angeles Municipal Code Section 22.350 and LA County Code 22.56.1925

Note that B-roll or footage captured purely for personal use, family recordings, or non-commercial hobbies is allowed. But read the law if you are paying the band or a professional photographer or videographer that it is no longer personal use, family recordings, or non-commercial hobbies.

Look it up, tell me what you think.

I don't know what to tell you, I'm not salty about anything but every single municipality in the Western world has laws like this for a reason.

For the band, LAMC Section 63.44, Los Angeles Municipal Code (LAMC) Section 115.02 & Article 5 (the second one has been applied to non amplified bands hitting very minimal decibel limits especially if they are making money).

I'm trying to understand your agenda. What point are you trying to make?

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u/HyenaThen572 9h ago

It's non-commercial. Done.

What point are you trying to make? You're so upset that these folks don't have shit on display for a rude asshole?

They very will could have it but there's really reason to indulge that person.

Another essay incoming I'm sure...

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u/cheffgeoff 8h ago

It's a paid band and a paid photographer... it's professional. I'm not upset, I'm telling what the law is from both providing the law and telling you my personnel experience dealing with it and how it is interpreted. I'm not on a personnel vendetta against anybody but I do realize how this would be abused without by laws. Are you against the concept of by laws or something? Still don't understand your agenda unless you are just trying to waste my time by being ignorant... which is fine, I'm just chilling watching football.