r/SipsTea • • 9h ago

SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/CueAnon420 9h ago

Up until the recent fuel crisis, consumers have been picking the loaded huge vehicles. That's why they make them.

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u/Seienchin88 8h ago

Exactly that!

I am really wondering how people on Reddit always ask for these cars but in reality most people buying new cars buy the shiniest one they think they can still afford…

Elon Musk proved that cars can look horrifically disfigured from the outside, barebones from the inside (yes, current Tesla interior quality is not bad but Tesla got big when the interiors werent great) but if it means you can have 600bhp in a family car and show off to your neighbors while being smug about driving an electric car you are going to be hugely successful…

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u/guyblade 6h ago

I am really wondering how people on Reddit always ask for these cars but in reality most people buying new cars buy the shiniest one they think they can still afford…

Reddit isn't a great proxy for American consumers. 44% of reddit users are 18-29 (or at least were 2 years ago). If you look at the total US population around the same time, the 18-29 age range represents 14% of the populace.

We know that age and wealth are correlated, so I suspect that the reason that Reddit sounds different than what you see in your day-to-day is because redditors are more cost-conscious due to being younger (on average) and thus poorer (on average).

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u/TheG00dF1ght 3h ago

lmao that you think redditers are going out and buying new cars.

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u/notaredditer13 5h ago

Most redditors are kids who have never bought a car.

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u/the_wyandotte 1h ago

It's the same with small phones. People state they want them, but their buying habits say otherwise. People think they want a small car without a backup camera, until they get in one and drive it.

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u/MaximumSubtlety 31m ago

...i had to look up "brake horsepower." Wtf are you even on about

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u/SquatSquatCykaBlyat 8h ago

horrifically disfigured from the outside

You must not remember how reddit was going crazy about "a truck that finally looks good" back when Musk was adored here.

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u/WASD_click 7h ago

Need a source on that. That wankpanzer has always looked like a PS2 dumpster.

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u/Fakehiggins 7h ago

people liked Tesla cars when they were first introduced and Musk had yet to go mask off. by the time the trucks had come out, Musk had been the person he is today for a while.

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u/gumgumgiant124000 7h ago

he revealed that ps1 polygon after his reputation tanked, what subs are you on lmfao

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u/Haggis442312 7h ago

I do like the angles, but the proportions still make it look kind of goofy, and apparently the build quality is beyond shit.

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u/Mimical 7h ago edited 7h ago

Cyber truck is something I watched with what can only be considered morbid curiosity.

The vehicle is basically a serial killers school ground weapon of choice. The sharp literal-metal "bumper" puts out so many headshots at the crosswalk the quake announcer would hesitate.

Yet, the new electrical architecture, battery and bus design is really cool and frankly poses a ton of advantages if more models went for it.

The thing is made as a minimum viable product and its quality is, as you said, abhorrent.

Yet, The EV traction control systems and the brains are so unbelievably good that on asphalt and dirt roads that AT tires barely hold it back. It's really awesome what they have done with the whole system.

The Tesla engineers continue to amaze me with their ability to pump out really amazing tech and genuinely interesting equipment. Sadly that interest will never turn into a purchase because Elon is the largest most catastrophic piece of shit to land on this earth and his existence is counter productive to the democratic advancement of an entire country.

Living outside the US: Every time I see one I can only assume the driver spends every night wishing they were 9 on the Island.

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u/jacksonnobody 7h ago

Manufacturers also make much better margins on huge vehicles which is another reason why they make them.

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u/Ima85beast 7h ago

on top of this there ARE super basic cheap offerings from almost every manufacturer. I really don't understand these comments at all. if you don't want a car with a touch screen then buy one without a touch screen

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u/Orleanian 2h ago

Hit and miss.

I've really liked the Mazdas I've owned, and wanted to stick with a drivetrain and cockpit setup that I knew and liked. But they don't run the a la carte style of trims. You get three tiers to choose from, and you get what you get for most of the typical consumer options (there are dealer-option bullshit that you can deny, but none of that is anything a typical consumer would care to option for anyway).

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u/Calbone607 7h ago

I don’t have any source but I bet the recent fuel crisis hasn’t stopped them from buying

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u/nalaloveslumpy 6h ago

Just like all previous fuel crises, it has not.

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u/Calbone607 5h ago

Who is Nala

My dachshund is named Nala

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u/nalaloveslumpy 6h ago

Quiet, you. We're trying to circle jerk in here.

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u/GeologistPutrid2657 5h ago

id rather just rent a uhaul than have an empty bed for 99% of the lifetime of the truck.

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u/guyblade 6h ago

That's certainly part of it, but there's also the profit-margin question. A big chunk of the cost of a car is just the materials (~60%) and "putting it together" (~5%). Value-add items--heated seats, better infotainment systems, &c.--are an easy place for manufacturers to get better margins.

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u/Wuz314159 6h ago

Best selling vehicle in the US in the past decade have been eBikes. because there is no middle ground in the US.

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u/superdupercereal2 6h ago

The best selling vehicles in the US over the past few years are the RAV4 and Camry. Before that the Accord and Ford Taurus. Affordable basic vehicles are what people want. Fleet vehicles are what put larger trucks on top but in my opinion they don’t reflect on what the average person wants.

And I think the people that want the newest most touchscreen apple carplay cars are choking down the marketing koolaid and are somewhat dull.

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u/kbotc 4h ago

Without things like CarPlay we end up with more manufacturers trying to sell subscriptions to access things you already own. There’s been a concerted effort by several brands to not support CarPlay so they can sell apps like it’s the 1990s selling ringtones all over again.

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u/jiminyshrue 5h ago

I want small sized pickup trucks to make a comeback. Why is everybody making new ones ridiculously large? I don't get it.

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u/kbotc 4h ago

CAFE standards

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u/jiminyshrue 3h ago

If I read it right, capitalism ruins thing... again?

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u/genuinerysk 5h ago

It has to do with the CAFE standards for their fleets. Its also why you can hardly find coupes any more.

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u/No-Pound6836 2h ago

And the influx of moms who "I don't wanna drive a mini van! Yuck!" and then proceed to buy a Denali or Suburban for their 2 kids.

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u/ScrivenersUnion 7h ago

They are also encouraged by regulatory laws to make them that way. A larger vehicle (by size) is allowed to have a larger engine, and the number of mandatory safety features means that small size cars end up feeling really slow and low power unless they have a high performance package.

If there was a decently priced mini size car in my area that performed well, I'd be happy to buy it. But if you go to a dealership it's all trucks and SUVs.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 6h ago

This is the complete list of US federally regulated safety features:

• Seat belts (Mandatory since 1968): Required in all seating positions to prevent occupant ejection and reduce collision injuries.

• Front airbags (Mandatory since 1998): Required for driver and front passenger protection in frontal impacts.

• LATCH Car Seat Attachments: Standardized lower anchors and tethers for children's safety seats.

• Electronic Stability Control (Mandatory for 2012 model year): Computer-controlled braking designed to help drivers maintain control and avoid skidding or rolling over.

• Tire Pressure Monitoring System (Mandatory for 2007+ cars): Alerts drivers when a tire is significantly underinflated.

• Backup Camera (Mandatory since May 2018): Rear visibility systems required on all new light vehicles to reduce blind spots.

• EV and Hybrid Minimum Sound Requirements: Audible motion sounds required for quiet low-speed electrified vehicles to alert pedestrians

So this:

the number of mandatory safety features means that small size cars end up feeling really slow and low power

is bullshit.

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u/sw04ca 6h ago

Indeed. It's not the safety requirements that are the problem. It's the fuel efficiency requirements that require high-cost, short-life adaptations like CVTs and various engine modifications like reduced cylinder usage or start-stops.

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u/ScrivenersUnion 6h ago

Crumple zones maybe? Emissions regulations cause the engine to lose power?

I'm not a car guy, I just know that many of the lighter vehicles feel like they're powered by a damn rubber band.