Seriously. I'm no fan of influencers who disrupt things or get in people's faces but this girl obviously just wants a simple picture. The lady blocking the photo is just being an arse. Edit for grammar.
Agreed. As an awkward person, that would be Soo much for me. I did a solo trip for the first time last year and j was taking pictures like this because I was alone and too scared (at the start) to ask people to take pictures of me. The whole time I was worried people would think I'm trying to be destructive. I feel for this girl
From the video it looks like she's alone, too, just setting her phone or whatever to take the pic. She's literally just minding her own business trying to get a shot of herself. Probably on a trip or vacation or something. Whenever I'm in a touristy spot and see someone doing this, I try to stay out of the way. Let them have their picture as a memento.
I’m getting the vibe you’re older, like me. In your mind it’s a moment for two strangers to share a moment, smile, and everyone goes on their way feeling good.
To the new generation, asking someone to do something is imposing on them. Specifically because if you asked them to take a picture of you, they would feel you’re imposing on them. You’re taking them out of their moment.
So they don’t want to engage with someone else because they don’t want to interrupt your moment.
They are being polite, in their minds, by being self sufficient and not being a bother.
Ha, for me you're 50% right. I wont' ask anyone to take a pic of me period. I'll figure it out myself or just bail on the entire idea. But if someone asks me, I'm happy to help. Genz dude here
This is much more to do with personality and shyness or extroversion. I swear its tiring seeing so many young people attribute every difference in behavior to generational cohorts. Personality and. Situtional factors matters much more than your age, people.
Oh, sorry, I don’t have time to write a psychological thesis regarding the generational increase in shyness that comes with technological isolation and with technological isolation comes increased self-sufficiency due to technological advancements.
Oh sorry, thats bullshit. People are still just people. You’re talking about one person, and its a mistake to generalize any of us as a perfect representative of our whole generation. Its just sloppy thinking. Lots of assumptions, none of which you know to be true.
Maybe, maybe not. This day and age, I don't blame the woman for not asking. Approaching strangers is hit and miss, unfortunately. I remember asking folks to take pics, and being asked to, but not sure I'd do it now.
Shes in a public place and can just be patient. The Louvre was a zoo. Its hard to get good selfies in museums that are busy. Patience and a little luck will usually do the trick.
Yeah the only person who sucks here is that rude ass lady blocking the picture. A normal human tries to get out of the way of someone taking a picture, not walk between them and the camera and intentionally stop.
Look.. I’m a creative type, myself, and an appreciator of fine art. You can tell that rude lady IDENTIFIES as a holier-than-thou artist type. It’s a toxic mashup of artist and gatekeeper. You can see the permanent scowl on her miserable face. You can tell she is gate keeping what she thinks is some kind of high quality experience. Thinking to herself “these fucking tourists… getting in the way of a pleasant art experience!!” while she, herself, is just a visitor to the museum in her loud clothes and bad vibes.
Not everyone wants to be filmed at every random place they go to. Whether it's a museum, gym, restaurant, I don't want to be filmed.
The younger girl set up her camera across two walkways. So everyone should stop and wait for this woman to play model? And why does she need to take up so much room for this photo? I'm just saying that what she is doing is obtrusive to others. though petty, I kind of understand why the chick ruined the shot.
She doesn't want to be filmed so she... stands in front of the camera for way longer until other people show up to intentionally block the girl from getting a photo/video alone with the paintings?
There was just the girl and the old lady there at the start. The old lady stared leaving so the girl set up the shot only for the old lady to block it. That's scummy behavior no matter how you look at it.
She’s trying to take one photo of herself at a cool place? Have you ever traveled? People take photos of themselves and they of course let everyone else pass.
She’s just going to take a frame of this when the walkways are clear, and keep it for herself.
Fortunaly the amount of time of this video and the phone being stable, will allow her to easily create a clean plate and just take the frame she likes the best of her, for the photo.
Not everyone wants to be filmed and I can totally understand that but you’re also in a public place. Whether she’s playing model or simply wants to have a photo of themselves (which seems like is the end of the world for some people), she can very well do that. Yes others can block her but damn, some common courtesy can go the other way. If I was walking and saw I was gonna cross her path, I would politely wait and let her take her photo and go about my day.
In no way is this obtrusive as long as people are quick and not prolonging the time it takes. We all signed up for it when we enter the public domain. You do as well whether you like it or not.
Tl;dr: you’re in public, you can take photos of anything and anyone anytime and what she did was not obtrusive. Cry about it.
Tl;dr: you’re in public, you can take photos of anything and anyone anytime and what she did was not obtrusive. Cry about it.
I mean, you're not wrong, but if this is the stance you take, it's kinda harder for me to listen to you demand common courtesy.
What "no privacy in public" functionally means has changed a shitload in the past even 10 years. Flock is just taking pictures of you in public, is that fine? There has to be some middleground that doesn't forbid random pictures because of passers by, and consenting to be filmed literally 24/7
May I ask who in this thread is talking about flock cameras being okay?
That's an insane jump from "taking a photo of yourself in public is fine and people blocking your camera is rude" to "I think it's fine to be monitored by big brother 24/7"...??
Public domain really has not changed at all. I have to study these laws all the time as I am a photographer. Flock isn’t just recording, it’s literally logging data on everything about you. That’s a problem because to me at least, it’s no different than if I was stalking you, in public, which is bad. But big brother can make the rules.
I have been yelled at by people who walked into my shots that have nothing to do with them because of mentalities such as the person I replied to and it’s ridiculous. Anyone reading this should really take the time and understand how public domain works because the moment you walk out your front door, you’re in it.
Bruh, you literally have no expectation of privacy in a public place. I can whip out my phone and snap a picture on the street at any given moment, and if you somehow happen to be in the frame? Lmao, lol even. Any normal adult in this scenario would just walk past and continue with their day. The stairs are nearly empty, and the girl isn’t blocking anyone, so there’s literally no reason to go out of your way to be an asshole to some random ass girl who did nothing to you
Maybe not, but the absolutist stance that there should be no expectation of privacy is tautologically advocating for assholish behavior. You cannot allow or encourage people to intrude on others and record and publish what they are doing, and then appeal to a sense of decency with the next breath.
Have you never been in a public place or event where people are taking pictures of themselves? Respectful people with manners walk around and avoid going right through the line of camera and subject. This girl would have been done before the crowd came through if not for the rude old lady blocking her. You can see the one woman who goes up the stairs stops notices she's posing and waits for her to finish.
Really I think lady stopping in the middle of the stairs to look at her phone is a way bigger problem.
I have, but I've never seen someone put their phone/camera so far away from where they are going to be taking a picture of themselves.
Watching the lady, she has no idea the girl put her phone there, and has no idea the phone is recording. She literally just glanced at the phone, did a double take because she noticed something that you wouldn't expect to be there, then continued what she was doing. Just like the girl. Neither actually did anything wrong. People are allowed to take pictures of themselves and film themselves in public places. And people are allowed to not realize they are in someone's way filming themselves when they're no where near their phone/camera.
Of course they have. But before social media existed, no one thought they owned the public space enough they'd get mad when someone was also using that public space.
Like the old woman being irritated the girls trying to take a picture so she tried to ruin it. Before social media people would step out of the way when they saw someone taking a picture in public, now they think they're being inconvenienced by an influencer and it's a big deal.
There's no evidence the woman actually did anything wrong either. We can't expect her to be paying attention to what the girl is doing. If we saw her watch the girl set her phone/camera up, then walk up the stairs and then pose, and then moved to make sure she blocked her that would be one thing. But none of that even kind of happened.
there's no evidence that lady did something 🤦♂️ wrong somebody in this thread already explained why go check it out and afterwards see your doctor please, humble request.
Who says she was intentionally blocking the photo. Looks like she just stopped to use her phone. I doubt she was even aware of the girl behind her.
And the girl is obviously in a public place full of people walking up and down the stairs. Yet she expects everyone to stop what they're doing so she can get her picture taken.
The eye contact with the phone and then backing up to block it kind of suggests it was intentional.
Plus who the fuck stops walking in the middle of a staircase to look at their phone? Especially if its full of people? That's not just rude it's dangerous.
Would it be rude if it was a person holding a camera? Or if she asked the woman to take her picture instead?
She wasn't in anyone's way she went to stand up by the picture, the camera was clearly set up off to the side, and if not for the woman stopping she would have been finished before anyone else came through. Although having to stop walking for a second for someone to take a picture in front of something has never ruined my day.
She was in the way of the women spending her museum time staring at her phone in her hands on the middle of the stairs? She could literally do that anywhere else.
You sound like you really hate your life. She did not expect anything. She did not ask anyone anything. Taking a picture of yourself in public is fairly normal if you have touched grass in the last month
All fun and games until home girl complains that she was put online without her permission and is suddenly somehow the victim. We know how entitled old people are, she’ll claim this is a violation of privacy or something. It sucks that people’s lives are so pathetically sad that they have to try to bring others into that pit of despair.
When you travel to tourist destinations there will be a lot of people and its very common that taking pictures get a little hard because there is so much people minding their own business.
This is an old lady, looking at her cellphone, moving to let other people pass through the stairs.
I think you need to learn to read the room better: the older woman was intentionally and deliberately blocking the other one’s photo shoot. It was a photo shoot and she didn’t like it.
If you are in a touristic site and want to take a picture in the middle of an area where people is going to pass a lot, like idk, stairs for example, this is going to happen. All the time.
Half-way down the stairs? Looking to the camera? She's smart enough to smart-phone, aware enough to see other people coming without looking up, but utterly oblivious to the camera/tripod thingie that the other person is trying to use?
There's naive, there's gullible, then there's just plain you.
Idk man. If I was that situation I'd not get mad, because I know how hard it is.
To me the old lady is just minding her own Business. Oh there's a phone there? Ok I'm passing through like the rest of the people. She moved to let others pass. Then keep her way.
And she was about to have the massive amount of space to herself without having to bother anyone. So seems like its all fine to me. She wasnt in anyone's way. She didnt ask people to move. She just set it up and went to got get in place. Thats it.
Glad I saw this comment. Idk what the fuck this sub is, but it seems like a bunch of forever alone incels hating on pretty women due to their own inadequacy.
I was cutting grass for my municipality, I’ve seen old people throw sizeable rocks in the path I’m taking hoping I hit them and brake our municipality mower. But I don’t think they understand they just pay taxes for to replace the blades. It’s insanity.
Old people can’t comprehend that. I don’t think these prune juice drinking boomers understand much of anything because of the amount of lead they have inside of them .
Hey, at least I can poop out my own fishing weights! LOL.
Seriously though, the gray haired woman was being a cụṅṭ, but it would be nice to have seen how long the young woman had been videoing on the staircase prior to this encounter.
If she had been spending more than 10 seconds or had been doing this all along the staircase, then she was infringing upon all the other patrons feom fully enjoying the art and potentially causing access issues.
THIS IS NO LIE!!! I experience it first hand, by multiple elderly people daily. They're superficially nice, but underneath it you can feel the resentment. Not all elderly people mind you, Many are not that way, but there are a lot that are. Now the real question is this though. How are we going to be, and how are we going to act when it is our turn?
As a younger-appearing woman (in my 30s), I find this especially true of older women. On my solo travels, every photobomber has been a middle aged 50+y/o woman. Always. Younger women offer to help with pics as a trade, men offer to help with pics as well but it's always older women who insist on standing behind/next/in front of you when you're trying to get a selfie.
The worst was this time limited display room in Japan that was massive, everyone would go in, find a corner, take photos with the backdrop and leave. I found my corner, this older woman positioned herself behind me and gestured for her husband to get in the shot as well. It didn't matter how i moved myself to position myself in front of them in the photo so i could get a shot without them in it, SHE WOULD MOVE WITH ME to make sure she was in my photo. And I could see them on my phone, she wasn't looking at the display, or trying to get a photo...she was watching my phone screen. =.=
She looked directly at the camera and pulled her phone out to act distracted and she blocked the path until another woman started up the stairs. There was never not a more intentional act of obstinance.
And young people are all goodness and joy and don't commit any crimes or infractions. If there were no old people, the world would be perfect, and young people would live in peace and harmony.
Did she take a picture, or did she put a device up that is videoing anyone that comes by and then post it on the internet without any of their consent?
She filmed a video to cut the best frame and not to worry about running up the stair due to a timer, the intention was fully on having a photo, not recording people or other people appearing on her photo.
So the morality of taking a picture of yourself is determined by your skill as a photographer? Or you just don’t have a real point so you moved onto something random irrelevant?
Well a lot of people will do a video and then screenshot themselves in the pose they like the most…. The old lady looked right at the phone twice- she was deliberately being rude
To take a picture of yourself in public? She's obviously doing a video so she can pick a frame she likes, lots of people do it that way
I'm in a million pictures without my consent. You want to know what I do? Recognize that you the world works, people take pictures and I'm gonna be in some of them whether I like it or not. I can't control them and I can't ask them not to document their lives however they like
So every tourist in the world needs to ask every passerby if it’s okay to take a photo? Is it more intrusive to stop every person who’s about to walk by, or just set up your camera and go about your day then leave? Who’s the rude one here? The old lady intentionally blocking this woman or the other way around?
Yeah it’s still rude and should be considered a social faux pas to do so. She could’ve asked that same lady to take her picture and she probably would’ve happily.
So every tourist in the world needs to ask every passerby if it’s okay to take a photo? Is it more intrusive to stop every person who’s about to walk by, or just set up your camera and go about your day then leave? Who’s the rude one here? The old lady intentionally blocking this woman or the other way around?
She was minding her own business and taking her own photo. It would be more intrusive to ask someone else. She was minding her own business, old woman decided to make it her goal to disrupt it
If you're in public you can't expect the world to stop so you can make a video.
The older lady wasn't even paying attention at first to the camera, she was reaching for her phone, then noticed the camera, then moved over because other people were coming up the stairs, then she moved on. She didn't post up for that long in front of it. Looked like she checked something in her phone and then walked off.
She was walking, noticed the camera then pulled out yer phone to pretend to do something, shifting slightly closer to the center of the frame to block the camera and delay the woman even further.
i recognize her, she's a brazillian teacher that has an youtube channel helping with history questions in the tests for who wants to pass in the free university courses, but she's specialized in france history if i'm not wrong, she's pretty good, let her speaking in a second monitor with a 1 hour+ video when she was telling france stories in a trip she did in paris, really nice knowledge about the topics
Reddit = bunch of crusty gamer dudes at their computers 24/7 with Dorito dust baked into their many folds who would never understand wanting to have a picture of oneself.
A single frame from a video with default settings will be just fine for a picture, even if there is more compression than when using the photo settings.
Having just visited a few world famous museums, it's annoying. This young woman is definitely politer than a lot of folks posing for insta, but often times they just camp at a particular art piece, not acknowledging that others would like to see it from that angle too.
Yeah, I know people get tired of influencers getting in the way of others, but she was quietly just standing there. Lot of people want to take pictures of themselves at places, and doing stuff.
AND SHE GOT ONE. It just had other people in it. If you want a wide shot of yourself in a public museum, it's probably possible to rent the place in off hours.
💯 my pov. Did not get a-hole vibes from her (the girl). Seemed patient just trying to get a photo. Grana actions appeared deliberate, but perhaps she’s obtuse and/or there is a line out of frame.
Idk, this might be a hot take, but I just don’t really respect people going about and taking pictures like this of themself. It’s marginally better if they have someone take the picture. I just think it’s stupidly vain to need a picture of yourself with the art. You are not the focus, the art is.
I think you are focused way to much on what other people are doing. If it doesn't affect you, you don't need to worry about it or judge other people for it.
This younger women wasn't acting rude or entitled in anyway. Had she been, it would be a completely different story.
Now the older women was a real POS. She's the type of person that purposely slows down in a cross walk as soon as she realizes a car is waiting for her.
I used to think like that, then I went on a European backpack trip all summer before grad school and 15 years later I have almost no picture of that trip with me on it. I thought other tourists with selfie sticks and tripods were silly, and now I regret not doing the same as my memories of those places start to fade and I have children I want to share them with.
Wanting to be part of your pictures during important moments is very normal.
I agree, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. You can take photos without being the center of said photos. Especially in art spaces. Congrats on grad school though!
She had her chance to take the photo with 0 other people in it and this lady ruined it for no reason. Maybe we're missing some context like if she asked people not to enter frame beforehand but I don't think that's what happened. I think she saw her opportunity and tried to take it then this curmudgeon ruined it because the only joy she had left in life is bringing misery to other people.
How can you possibly assume from this clip that the older woman intended any of that because of what you infer?? There's nothing to suggest that! She looks quizzically at the phone, then looks at her own phone, never once looking around her or at the girl behind her to acknowledge her presence. She then moves off to the right because people are coming up the stairs, bringing her more into view to block the camera. There's nothing to suggest she's doing any of it intentionally.
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