Holy shit none of you understand socialism. Socialism is when the people own the means of production. Full stop. In all societies that have attempted to implement socialism the state became the proxy for the people, thus the state owned the means of production. They are both wrong. Socialism is one of the most devastating ideologies in modern times, and those of you who have never lived under it do not understand what it is or even why it is bad.
That’s a very narrow definition of socialism and not what is meant when people refer to socialist policies. The Marxist definition is always used to scare people. Would you also call a social democracy or even democratic socialism a devastating ideology? The backbone of prosperity in this country is a result of our social democracy.
How would you implement your democratic socialism without a planned economy? Planned economies lead to mass poverty, and to a loss of freedom. All implementations of socialism are fundamentally incompatible with the western way of life.
All “western” ways of governing are already social democracies. The united states (since Regan) prioritizes social policies that help corporations and wealthy individuals privatize profits and socialize losses. It’s a failed experiment, nothing trickles down. The policies being advocated for like universal healthcare, low or no cost education through college, higher wage floors, pre K childcare, and protections like more robust family leave and sick pay are not fundamental changes to the system. They are changes to the primary recipient of the social programs.
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u/SrbijaJeRusija 10h ago
Holy shit none of you understand socialism. Socialism is when the people own the means of production. Full stop. In all societies that have attempted to implement socialism the state became the proxy for the people, thus the state owned the means of production. They are both wrong. Socialism is one of the most devastating ideologies in modern times, and those of you who have never lived under it do not understand what it is or even why it is bad.