Itās more than that. His followers have been brainwashed and have adopted his attitudes and manner of speaking in so many different areas. Hereās just one example. āFake newsā. If it goes against what their idol has told them is true, or if a truth makes them feel uncomfortable, it is āfake newsā. Another one would be his extreme rhetoric regarding, and obsession with, undocumented immigrants. Another one is swallowing all of his lies whole, no matter how far-fetched or ludicrous they may sound. There are a lot more. Those are the ones I could come up with off of the top of my head.
Iām a born-again/saved Christian, and unlike many who call themselves that, yet hypocritically support Trump and excuse all that he does, I have never done so and have always seen him for exactly who he is. Iām non-political at this point, meaning that I support no person or party. I feel like Iām a lot better off this way, because Iām not allowing it to cloud my judgment by mixing politics in with my Christianity. Thatās created so much of the mess we now find ourselves in and yes, itās also revealed whatās in the hearts of many of these people. I avoid talking to a lot of Christians where I live in the south here, in a very red state. I know that weād disagree on so many different things. I do have a friend that I may challenge on some things here, but we still love each other and it hasnāt destroyed our friendship. If I were to go to church here the issue would be the same, because I would not be able to refrain from questioning why anyone who calls him or herself a Christian, in light of all that heās said, done, and sanctioned that is about as far from being Christ-like as one can get, would support him.
I wish that I could find other Christians around here who see Trump for who he is and who also donāt support him at all. We really need to speak out and make other Christians aware of how badly deceived theyāve been, and that they are allowing it to go on, too. One person may get booted from a church, but itās a whole lot harder to do that with a group.
This is such bullshit. This is the shield you're using so that when this asshole is gone you can go back to openly voting for other Republicans without feeling bad about yourself.
Youāre assuming an awful lot about me here, without even knowing me. Unless there are some major and radical changes in the Republican Party, I will not vote for any of them at all. The last time I voted for a Republican was when Romney ran against Obama. That was in 2012. They donāt seem to care about anyone but the rich, at the expense of the poor and vulnerable among us. The fact that theyāve even ever supported Trump and his mess would mean that Iād never have any desire to vote for any of them. Thereād need to be a major overhaul of the entire party for me to even consider voting for any of them.
I understand you have your reasons for not voting blue or red. But to get trump out you gotta make a move. If you truly feel he is bad the country then you have the power to vote. Even if you dont agree with democrats, currently they are the lesser of the evils
Are they though? They turned out court system into a circus, they tried to remove political choice from our ballots, they skip their own primaries. I think emotional you think they are the lesser evil because Trump does not nice Things, and heās rude and heās a liar and all the other poor character traits he has, but I think the democrats have dig their own grave with the 2016 and 2024 election cycles.
Then stop talking, you donāt deserve to have an opinion on this. Your moral grandstanding will accomplish nothing other than aiding in the continued suffering of marginalized groups, which may or may not include yourself.
And that right there is why you guys may never win another election if you canāt make a miracle happen in these midterms. Condescending dismal and ad hominem itās all the tools you guys have available in your tool chest.
This guy says he doesnāt vote, and instead of just being satisfied with one less red vote to have to overcome you canāt let it rest, gotta treat him poorly. I hope youāve inspired him to cast a vote against you.
I think there are more people who are starting to feel as you do, but they just don't talk about it at all. Maybe not many people, but more people. It's really hard for people to admit they've been conned.
Iām not a guy, number one, and Iāve never voted for Trump in my life. Are you kidding me? You think Iād vote for the misogynist who made Carly Fiorinaās looks a qualifier when it came to whether or not sheād be a suitable candidate for the Republican nomination for president in 2020? That guy? Youāre nuts.
Says who? Prove it. Who is āeveryoneā? I havenāt voted for a Republican since 2012. So try again.
I donāt use insults when referring to anyone who belongs to either āsideā. I never have. That is so immature and thereās no point in doing so, anyway.
Quit talking like you even know the first thing about me. Youāre quite good at assuming things.
I honestly don't know what you expected. You admitted to being a Christian on Reddit. May I introduce you to the tolerant Left. Such a big tent they have.
So does being a Christian automatically mean that one will vote red at all, let alone straight red? What they, and Trump, have been doing do not represent my values as a Christian, except for when it comes to Roe v Wade, and even theyāre theyāve created a gigantic mess with their vague trigger laws and laws that threaten to prosecute doctors. Laws written without even considering the potential consequences of those laws. Laws that arenāt entirely prolife, since they involve serious issues regarding the life of the mother. At any rate, as a Christian, and with the fact that Jesus tells us to take care of the vulnerable among us, why would I even want to vote for Republicans?
I'm not trying to sell you anything, just pointing out that you shouldn't be surprised to get the response you got from the anti-Christian Left on an anti-Christian Leftist platform.
Whatever that means. Did I even ask you to care? It doesnāt matter to me whether you do or not. Whether you even believe me or not doesnāt matter to me. Label me however you wish to; that doesnāt matter to me, either.
I understand when people don't want to participate in a system they think is failing them but the politics happens with or without your engagement. Refusing to participate just makes you complicit with whoever wins. That's a big part of why Trump won as well. People decided it was better not to participate at all rather than support opposition to Trump.
The major lesson to be learned here is that none of us can afford to be non-political.
36% of the country didnāt vote in 2024. Evil prevails when good people stay silent, and I think we can all agree Trump is evil.
And Christians should know that Jesus was political. The dude was pure anti-establishment and was constantly showing everyone that the whole point is to love your neighbor, stand up for the disenfranchised, and help those who need it. He literally spoke out against the rich and wealthy. Trump is the antithesis of all those teachings.
Instead of not voting, instead of telling churches and Christians that āTrump is badā, help us get him and his cronies out of office and keep them out.
Then look for policies that value the things that Christians should value just as Jesus did, and vote to help make them happen.
On the other hand, I do not favor any of the progressive ideas of the Democratic Party and Iām not willing to compromise on that, anymore than Iām willing to compromise when it comes to voting for Republicans.
Is there a point where you ever stand up for yourself and those around you or do you just continue to appease oppressors in the interest of keeping yourself uninvolved in helping anyone. Seems like a belief system with zero actual conviction behind it.
Yeah? How so? I think that the issue here is that you arenāt aware of the fact that it is permissible for me to judge another personās fruits; that is, their words and actions. And thatās exactly what I was referring to in what I wrote.
Might as well speak your truth as you know the good morals of Christ back you. Either way, youāre not connecting with people in your community. By speaking up when someone repeats a trumpism you might just find like minded people like yourself who are also privy the to convo. Iāve had this experience many times. People come up to me after and say they totally agree.
In 2008 Bush Jr. declared that Ukraine and Georgia are going to join Nato. Russia said njet, Merkel warned about it, and the people in Ukraine didn't want that either. Leading up to 2014 the CIA ("NED") funded the main organizer of the Euromaidan protests and trained them. The CIA actually bolstered far right nationalists (actual nazis) since 1950. And after bragging about how they are going to turn Ukraine the CIA pulled it off in 2014. To anyone not braindead it was clear what was going to follow, and while I'm not a fan of Russia they are not braindead and reacted exactly as predicted.
All of this is documented in western sources. Incontrovertible historical facts. But NONE of it is "political correct" to mention. You're called a Russian bot, or spouting Russian propaganda and basically get branded a traitor. You might loose your job because of it.
The point of this experiment is that this change isn't just on the MAGA / fascist side. It's 90% of redditors who think like this. If you do not follow the official political correct version of history and have a different opinion, you're a traitor.
And this is a fucking war with lots of deaths. It's destroying Europe. Pluralism is fucking over.
So people like to go on and on about how bad Trump is and how bad his followers are. But most of those complaining are just as bad. No difference to MAGA at all. They believe the world should be ruled by the US empire or the chains of capitalism. Liberalism. No ideology except capitalism. Because fundamentally they believe in inequality just like fascists do.
This is such an insane tangent. How does any of this go against what you're replying to? How is this an experiment? You're seeing large swaths of the left get mad at you for talking about CIA coups? Really? We're pretty anti-coup as a group. And how does this prove anything at all, beyond that you ran into some annoying people on reddit? This is not how you establish a causal relation between two things at all
Sure, but why not hold the worst perpetrators to account first? That's a double standard. And why lie about the circumstances and obscure how this started? Clearly it's to make it sound like there could be no diplomatic solution. It's an elaborate "fake news" story. Just like with MAGA and their talking points.
I'm saying your post comes off as hypocritical and judgmental as the very "Christians" you're speaking out against. The lack of self-awareness is amusing
We can start with the judgmental nature of your post and your complete disregard of Judge not least you be judged. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe you need to pick up that bible and read it a little bit more
The Bible tells me that Iām permitted to judge the fruits, aka the words and actions, of another, according to what the Word has to say about those words and actions.
Well then you should probably work on your comprehension of the text, because what you demonstrated in your original response certainly lacked many Christian virtues
Well the text says that I am permitted to judge the fruits, aka the words and actions, of another, according to what the Word of God itself has to say.
Nope. Thatās definitely splitting hairs. His approach to things is not at all Christlike in any sense of the word. Supporting not taking care of the vulnerable among us is not justifiable no matter what. Supporting the brutal actions of ICE, of them murdering people, once again has nothing to do with being Christ-like. How could it?
In case you're genuine, I'll give my honest reply. You took the religious approach so I'll reply in kind.
I am a Christian, and I do believe our government was founded on Christian values. That said, I do believe the Government has a different role than the church.
So here's an example. You support taking care of the most vulnerable among us. As do I. The Bible teaches us to do this, but God also gives us the free will to follow him or not. He commanded us to live a certain way, but never forced us. He did this for a reason, yet you believe it's the governments place to force us donate through socialism? You can make an economic or moral argument for that, but not a religious one.
If by "protect the vulnerable" you meant to take in, there's another answer for that as well. In multiple passages the Bible explains that we should tend to our own flock first, our own followers and our own families first. I extend that to encompasse my countrymen. The purpose of this scripture is to ensure we take care of ourselves and our own so that we can be in a position to take care of others. This is important because of the immigration policy you brought up. Pretend we allow anyone to stay in the US that sneaks in here, or that we open all borders to allow anyone in. The US is roughly 4% of the world's population. The global median salary excluding the US is about $7 a day vs the US at roughly $70 a day. What would happen with open borders? The US median salary would equalize with the global median to be roughly $8/day. I won't pretend we're a perfect country, but we're without question the protectors of free travel in the ocean, protectors of free trade, and the beacon of individual liberty. We donate more in aid to the world than any other nation by a mile. We can't help the world if we collapse. And if you don't believe we'd collapse earning $8/day you're filling yourself. If you believe we have a housing crisis, a salary crisis, a cost of living crisis, then we're not in a position to take in more and more refugees. And I absolutely understand suffering. I met my wife while I was traveling in an impoverished small fishing village in Asia. We moved back to the US for a while and recently permanently relocated to her country to retire and raise our children. You can help individuals here by importing them, but you can't help the people here that way. I'll tell you, before I first moved here more than a decade ago I was a Democrat. I voted for Obama his first term and hated the exploitation of the 3rd world with our factories. After living here I saw the relative immense wealth we injected in to this economy with the jobs our companies provided and I did a complete 180. All this to say that immigration control is important to improve the quality of life and wealth of our citizens so that we maintain the ability to choose to do good in the world.
And I could go on about welfare and wealth redistribution, but this is long enough. I won't defend Trump personally, but out of the two evils in government I do vote Republican.
I apologize for the lengthy reply, but this isn't a simple topic.
And what exactly were those consequences? Slaps on the wrist? Donāt do it again? T
Trump never has any accountability or consequences for anything he does. Break the law repeatedly at the American peopleās expense. So naturally thatās how his supporters act too.
Another example is Ice thugs killing people in the street with no consequences.
Honey, there would have been no consequences if his followers did what he asked them to. Instead they pussied out at the first shot fired like a bunch of cowards
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u/legosgrrl 17h ago
Permission. He gave people permission with no consequences.