I cannot even begin to imagine the frustration at spending decades becoming one of the most respected doctors in the world just to have some douchebag who can barely read come along and turn your whole career into a nationwide controversy by just shouting that he doesn't like you
The absolute audacity to claim that someone of fauci's caliber decided to take a completely thankless, nameless job and stay there for decades for his own personal gain vs. the endless opportunities to make a fortune in the private sector is truly some 1984 levels of doublespeak.
I can't help but think about how Americans mock the African villagers who attack the ebola doctors when they show up because they believe they are bringing the disease. Meanwhile Americans have all the benefits of education and readily available information and are doing the exact same thing.
Not to mention an expired eye doctor trying to question you on infectious diseases like hes some expert on internal medicine when he hasn't even given an eye exam in years....
I know only a little but breaking points made it sound like he had a dozen respected scientists in a call, 10 leaned lab leak and 2 leaned natural origins and he requested one of the 2 to write a paper he then cited. And his government notes have some other interesting bits too where he ignored information like asymptomatic transmission. So I mean it's not like it is all because one guy wanted a scape goat. And im not calling for his head even if I've got that all correct. mistakes get made and it's unreasonable to expect him to be the one fully transparent person in the world. But I think it is also disingenuous to hand wave it as just those evil republicans being mean.
The bigger question: does it even matter? The way a government responds to a public health emergency does not change whether it's a lab leak or naturally occurring. The only thing that seems to be in question is who to blame, and wasting time on that doesn't save any lives.
The whole argument is a red herring. It's a conspiracy without a consequence. The issue at hand was how to deal with the outbreak. There is room to criticize lots of the response, but as a matter of opinion, I think the scientific and medical community did the best they could with the information and resources they had available. Labeling it a lab leak or not wouldn't have changed a single thing about the response.
Perhaps if it were a lab leak they should figure out how and why to avoid any future leaks or pitfalls of potential dangerous research. Maybe they did that anyway even if nobody actually knows the origin.
If the Trump administration gave a shit about biological safety, they wouldn’t be firing researchers and pulling the plug on lab fridges left and right.
I was curious and asked Claude what the scientific consensus was and it indicated no concrete consensus most leaning natural spillover but not ruling out lab leak. Fwiw. Trickier topic than reddit lets on imo.
No. AI gets things wrong all the time because it pulls information from unverified sources. This is why you see so many stories of AI giving blatantly incorrect information or contradicting itself. Do your own research, even if AI isn’t 100% wrong it’s almost never 100% right.
Yes. But more importantly, if you’re going to argue a point or vocalize an opinion, at least do your own research. If you can’t bother to do the bare minimum, dont start an argument.
“He started raving that we are seeing more cases only because we are doing more testing,” Fauci wrote, continuing that he told the president, “Increased testing does not cause cases. When you increase testing you will of course pick up asymptomatics whom you might otherwise not notice. However, when you have increased percent positives and increased hospitalization, and increased deaths, that means that there are truly more cases.”
Wow, so Trump really IS stupid enough to believe that testing causes more cases.
It’s the same as when he was begging GA election officials to “find” another 7,800 votes. He knows there’s not votes to be found. He just expects them to see the line he’s thinking and say “you’re so right Mr President, let’s test less so the numbers look better for you.” Then he expects that when it comes from an authority figure, most of us won’t question it.
Part of me thinks it’s more about plausible deniability than being stupid. It’s not COVID if it’s not confirmed. I’m not arguing that Pedo the Hutt isn’t stupid, but in this case, it’s likely out of malice and not stupidity.
Yeah, but saying ANYTHING against the Supreme Leader is a no-no and a death-sentence offense. Didn't you get the memo - like, for the last 10 years??? (Last statement is /s, of course!)
Oh yeah? What is he lying about? I seem to recall a republican led subcommittee leading an investigation into this a couple of years ago and finding no wrongdoing.
And lies and “we discovered new information” are also separate things. Science done under pressure always has changes and discoveries.
Science needed time to identify COVID’s mechanisms of spread. People forget at the beginning that we had very little clue how contagious it was, how it was passed.
Yet another right winger makes claims they cant back. Every single time. "Do my homework for me". I did it already and all prove you wrong, I just want 1 link that has evidence of your claims.
The onus is on the one who made the assertion to provide citations to prove their claims. It’s lazy to say “I wont do your homework for you” when in fact you’re refusing to do your own homework.
when it was most likely a lab leak from GOF testing.
Oh it's a lie but this other thing is "most likely"? Which means you don't actually know. Which means you don't know that it's a lie. Which, ironically, makes you a liar.
Edit: good mods, I didn't even read the toxic reply that this person probably made that the moderators removed
The fact that a novel virus evolved and you think the world should have every answer, be able to provide nothing but facts, and that ani-vaxers were ever going to have a good faith arguement shows you’re not arguing in good faith either.
Why do you assume they were lies and not the best answer they could provide at the time? Do you think it’s helpful during a global pandemic to make accusation towards other countries?
Why are you trying to bring politics into this? I don’t care about his affiliations, he worked to keep this country healthy despite nearly every effort he made being undermined by the administration at the time. If he had done anything illegal, there wouldn’t be this witch-hunt in court going through his dairy. Please post where he lied in his dairy because all I’ve seen is him fighting trump to implement *any* measures to protect citizens edit added* 😂 and apparently how Julia Robert finds him attractive, Lordy theres every/anything in that diary except incriminating evidence.
I'm not. The liberals and conservatives have politicized this. The only reason liberals aren't mad is bc Rand Paul released the diary and not Tim Kaine.
I'm extremely sorry to hear that you had a wear a mask sometimes during COVID. I hope you've made a full recovery from the mask wearing.
I understand that things like wearing a mask can be very traumatic and life altering, causing permanent damage. We should keep that in mind next time, before we use the best available information at the time to politely ask folks to perform a simple action.
It's wild to me (still) — and instructive — to see how differently people act about masks when you're visibly sick. Like if you go around looking half dead, hacking and coughing etc., nobody but NOBODY wants to be around you obviously... and nobody objects if you're wearing a mask.
But if you're not symptomatic, it becomes a game. To say something provocative or whatever, to call a person a sheep or libtard or whatever.
Which is why a great answer to a jeering "why are you wearing a mask?" probably was always something like, "I just tested positive for COVID, want some?" and then you make like you're going to expose them.
But what it really tells us is that these folks are so cognitively constipated that they almost ..... lack object permanence? Like a baby that thinks you just disappeared in a game of peek-a-boo.
Nobody doubts that virus and bacteria cells are invisible to the eye, everybody knows and accepts that a person can be very sick and possibly very contagious without looking like a zombie... but ideological passion overrides both basic common sense medicine, and (more importantly) human kindness in a way that's pretty unforgivable in my opinion.
You fail to understand how scientific research works. Any statement is a statement in time, a snapshot based on what the data shows at a given time. It naturally adjusts as more information becomes available. That is the inherent nature of scientific research and discovery. But that doesn’t fit your brain rotted MAGA narrative. You are a walking example of where scientific education in America has failed.
Ok so you expected them to completely understand a novel virus immediately and not make any changes to their guidelines based on new information. Any changes to these guidelines based on new research constitutes lying to you. Got it. Also, masks do help, they just aren’t as effective as the 95s.
No, Fauci never said it definitely came from animal to human crossover but has consistently stated that it’s his opinion that it did but is open to the lab leak theory given any new information that would support that.
I think Trump is the most evil and most stupid public figure in modern American history. I have no idea why you think he's relevant to Fauci's personal choices and actions.
Masks do not significantly lower the risk of infection for the person wearing them. They DO significantly lower the risk of the person wearing it passing it along to someone else.
They didn’t lie, people just got confused by what they said and assumed “masks do nothing to protect you” was the whole story, so they stopped wearing them. A lot more people got infected, because people weren’t wearing masks, so they increased the pressure on people to wear their masks. Then, a bunch of idiots said “But butyou said masks don’t protect us! YOU’RE LYING!”
Do an experiment. Go into a dark room and shine a flashlight on the space directly in front of your face. Take a deep breath and exhale. You’ll see thousands of tiny water droplets being expelled. That is how COVID travels easiest.
Now, place a cloth in front of your face and do the same thing. Some vapor still gets through, but the amount and the distance travelled is greatly reduced. It’s not 100% effective, but to say it does nothing is to reject what you can see with your own eyes.
I don’t know, maybe it’s because ~30% of people in this country are too stupid to realize their head is so far up Dear Leader’s butt that their whole face is brown? And for some reason we are bound by ball and chain to these morons…. “Lying about COVID” my a** lol what planet do you live on? You have no facts. You have no proof. No “reality” that would hold up to the reason and logic of any sane person. Your reality is the same as that of a Kangaroo court. If this is what you honestly believe, that covid was a hoax, you have no reality that is worth anything. Best of luck. You’ll need it
“Trump called him and “started a diatribe” God, educated, long time serving scientists treated like a criminal… by a criminal! What a sham and shame for this country, we deserve the brain drain.
So what I'm getting from this is that the point of the "Fauci Diaries" isn't to prove Fauci was an evil mastermind behind the pandemic; it's to show that he wasn't in lockstep supporting Trump. That's the real purpose of these hearings. They're punishing Fauci for perceived disloyalty to the furher. That's the quiet part they're trying not to say out loud.
This has nothing to do with how the COVID response was managed. It has nothing to do with all the deaths. It's just about punishing him for making Trump look bad. Because Fauci cares more about science and people's lives than Trump's feelings, and Republicans don't.
His diaries show how completely fucked we’d all have been with it him there being the voice of reason and protecting us. It is shameful what is being done to this man.
Exactly. He's a complete psychopath. Also never forget when they delayed the release of that emergency stockpile of PPE because they thought COVID would only be a blue state city problem.
Conservatives keep doing this thjng where they are so desperate to have their insanity reflected in reality that they end up clinging to anything that supports it even if that thing also makes them look bad.
They started with: "Fauci is media obsessed he said so in his journal" while admitting "Trump is a moron Fauci said so in his journal"
The prosecutions of Fauci and David Hearn, and other unfortunate individuals, under this administration are attempts at scapegoating in order to cover up the administration's ineptitude. I can't believe that this is happening. This country is so fucked up.
What's messed up about this entire controversy, is that doctors ALL over the world were saying the same things Fauci did, but Americans think only about the US. Most of us consume no news outside the US, like somehow we're the center of the universe 🙄😩
I can't for the life of me understand why the GOP wants to slander trump by going after fauci......trump was the boss, if even a fraction of the gop conspiracy theories are true than I want Trump's head on a pike , not his lackey.
Not sure what your point is.
If someone has Covid and was actively sick when they die, its either an "underlying cause" or a "contributing cause".
If someone dies in a car crash and happened to find Covid during autopsy, those were not reported in Covid stats because Covid was not a cause or contributed to death.
In early 2020, Washington INITIALLY counted deaths among anyone with a positive COVID test while officials waited for death certificate information. That could temporarily include people who died from accidents....or suicide, homicide or other unrelated cause. Later on records were reviewed and they removed deaths determined not to be COVID related and changed its system to exclude accidental deaths unless COVID was actually mentioned as contributing on the death certificate. The final CDC statistics require COVID to actually be written on the death certificate as causing or contributing to death. I am highly suspicious that a medical examiner wrote Covid as a cause or contributing factor of death on a Motorcycle Accident death unless the person was actively sick with pneumonia....and in that case, it may have contributed.
Unless you can show the death certificate, ME record, or a documented government correction, sorry.
I don't think you really understand the ME process or how the recording process takes place.
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