-corporate media is constantly simping for supply economics and wars abroad because it’s owned by the rich, and specifically by Larry Ellison
-somehow OP is dumb enough to believe that lib left is swallowing it, not auth right
My staunchly “Anti-Socialism” parents are legitimately defending Trumps $5000 bribe checks because Fox News explained how that’s different.
I swear we’re living in the twilight zone.
The truth is that's the same as it's always been. Most anti-socialist people are in favor of socialist policies when they directly benefit from them (see farmers every time they get bailed out). But, anything that doesn't (directly benefit them) is anti-capitalist and anti-American.
I swear to god nobody knows what socialism is. Welfare is not socialism. Sidewalks and fire stations are not socialism. Single payer healthcare is not socialism, it’s a statutory entitlement.
Socialism is a system of political economy featuring the collective control of the means of production.
Yep, people have zero fucking clue what socialism or communism is. They basically boil it down to “socialism is when the government does stuff that benefits people rather than corporations”.
They also genuinely think somebody like Mamdami is “bribing voters” by… doing his job. Our political system has become so fucked that competent governance is now seen as so entirely strange that it is called a “bribe”.
It's funny seeing 'no true communism' coming from a right wing flair. Socialist policies are policies which push for collective ownership. And many right wing flairs are fine with collective ownership of risk for certain industries, they just get rabid when it comes to collective ownership of profit.
Seeing the cost of everything behind the scenes on the most normal of things rise since Trump got into office and people having to make an honest decision to buy necessities or not is real.
Meanwhile, retards fight over culture war shit is mentally taxing.
The sad thing for Gen Z is that this current iteration of Republican philosophies have nothing to do with the actual conservative party from decades ago, and they will never understand what being a conservative actually means. Now its just oligarchs clamoring for power and using culture war bullshit to keep people occupied.
At least the conservative party pre-2000 was understandable to some degree, and both sides were relatable.
When I was growing up in the Obama era it seemed like everyone around me viewed the presidency as a job somewhat akin to an ER surgeon, where you had to be serious, knowledgeable and willing to work long hours every day. Even Bush was thought to be a generally serious, hardworking adult at the time, and only stupid because the president is supposed to be held to a much higher standard than everyone else.
When Trump was running it seemed genuinely ridiculous to me that someone with no political experience, negative decorum and numerous obvious scandals would even be able to do the presidents job. Like, he genuinely seems to take the job less seriously than your average local restaurant owner, and everyone is ok with it. It’s so bizarre that people younger than me grew up with that completely normalized, whereas I thought the president was this super serious, talented figure (which is a dumb viewpoint for its own reasons, but I’m tired of typing)
Are we really going to sit here and pretend that Fox News wasn’t one of the biggest leading components that got Trump elected? Boomers eat that shit up like it’s the country kitchen buffet
The funny thing was Fox News had turned on Trump for a hot second in 2021, right after January 6th. No idea why they reverted back prior to 2024, if they refused to give him the time of day we could have had someone relatively normal in office.
Everyone turned on Trump. Once it was clear that he wouldn't face any consequences, they all fell back into line. They were probably expecting public opinion to shift on Trump, but overestimated the intelligence/standards of their constituents.
Well, it's changed on him now, whether it's from his refusal to release the other half of the Epstein disclosures or his participation in Iran, skyrocketing gas prices (and with it everything else). I hope dems sweep congress and nerf his last two years.
Hawley, Rubio and others condemned the capitol assault initially and now I don’t even know what. It was crazy libtards trying to overturn the election they just won or it was trump’s fbi, I guess.
I have a feeling that CNN and the other left leaning news channels did more work to elect Trump than Fox News. Every chance they had to talk about Trump they will do so.
This is true for first term Trump they gave him way too much coverage. Not true for the rest.
Fox News isn’t even news…it is literally just made up skits to make boomers angry enough to vote. How anybody can think Fox and CNN are the same is beyond me.
Fox argued in court they aren’t a news organization. But then again they also settled nearly $800 million out of court for falsely claiming the 2020 election was rigged. It’s wild how much they have to twist their words to be careful not to get sued again.
I watched some Fox News rarely as european. I think it is a pretty good news network compared to the others, if you talk about the news themselves. I remember CNN and BBC both maliciously editing videos to influence the public. I don't actually remember 1 instance of fox doing that.
They don't need to edit, they simply ignore stories that don't inherently support their position.
Fox News biggest issue is the talking head "news anchors" whose only purpose was to rile up outrage and hatred among their viewers. Pete Hegseth, Janine Pirro, Jesse Watters, Laura Ingraham...
None of these people are news anchors though. They are commentary show hosts. Their actual news anchors are not as loony but the overriding editorial bias still exists.
I get that the line is blurry on purpose, but still we can be precise.
Fair. "Commentary Show Hosts" didn't exist back then, at least not on the news. Back then if you wanted an editorial on a topic, you'd watch someone like Donahue or Geraldo, who made no bones about stuff being their opinions.
Now, they intersperse them, and as you say, blue the lines on purpose.
Fox news settled the largest defamation case in US history for knowingly lying about voter fraud. They also used the idea that they are not news, only entertainment, as a legal defence in court
If you think Fox news is a reasonable network, it is because you are an insane person getting your insanity confirmed
Fox is just infotainment. You won’t come away informed for watching it, you’ll come away misinformed. You can say the same thing for most TV news, but Fox is one of the worst.
well this is my experience, i haven't noticed anything wrong in their news for things like mostly international news. Compared to the other ones, like BBC they won't even report some things.
The idea was to give donny the attention because he is so ridiculous and idiotic that it would cover up hillray Clinton's shortcomings. What a fucking horrible outcome came of it.
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I have personal family members/associates that take NEWSMAX as correct, factual journalism. In fact, it’s pretty much the only thing die hard MAGA’s watch at this point since even Fox got too woke for them
The mindless masses will consume their propaganda and then beg for seconds. It is what they are and what they always will be. Doesn't matter which politician they worship.
They think they're right but they're stupid and follow a theocratic-like leader, wheras lib left thinks they're right but they're stupid and follow faux-trustworthy institutions (media, academia, etc.). I guess lib left has better reasons to trust and believe their gods, but that pretentiousness and cavalier attitude is what destroys their presidental candidates. It's my turn now.
Meanwhile magas have dropped shit like the donny-epstien files, affordability, no new wars, draining the swamp, and other because orange daddy told them too through entities like influencers, oann, newsmaxxxxx...
Mostly always have been. But, historically, most have been more right center to lib-right who were more interested in maximizing revenue (back when news companies were some of the most profitable ventures thanks to ads). But as the margins have shrank, and consolidation has happened, we've ended up with more owners like the Murdochs and Ellisons and Sinclairs.
Believe it or not, but news was considered a public service for TV and radio until the mid 1980s. The end of the fairness doctrine and rise of cable TV and Rush Limbaugh put a lot of pressure on news well before the the internet.
Owned by? Probably because wealthy people tend to skew Conservative for obvious reasons.
Operated by? No, not at all.
The chairman and CEO of CNN is a Brit who was previously the CEO of famously conservative publication The New York Times, as well as director general of famously conservative broadcasting channel the BBC.
The president of MSNBC (or MSNOW or whatever the fuck it’s called now) is a self described Progressive.
You used Kutler as a source for why she is a progressive, but I use her as a source for why MSNBC isn't progressive and you're now questioning her credibility? Are you retarded? You are literally picking and choosing what to trust based on your beliefs.
>So do you also think Fox News is fair and balanced because they claim to be?
I never claimed Fox News to be a trustworthy source.
News covers republican sex crimes and draws parallels between early nazi behavior and current US policy....Could we be out of touch? No, it's the kids and their crummy news stations that are wrong. I totally voted for flock, gas prices, runaway inflation, and more wars.
Most people today (OP and most people in this sub included) get their news by scrolling through a social media feed, and think they’re getting an unbiased opinions, or a good look of both sides. In reality, you can be getting 30 people’s opinions from different sides of the aisle, and still be getting fed propaganda without knowing it.
Whether it’s TikTok for you page, YouTube recommended, IG reels, any sub/reddit feed, etc, every feed isnt trying to show you what’s real, it’s trying to keep you online. Even the top comments on the posts you see are different depending on what will get you to engage.
Today, I think the only way to get good news is to find specific people who do a good job at analyzing news AND routinely engage with people who substantially disagree with them. I don’t mean people on the left and right disagreeing but coming together over “the elites”, I mean people who can sit down and defend their opinions against someone who disagrees. Then, at the very least, I can trust the news I get from them.
Intellectually lazy and poor of morale. This may just be the worst one I've laid my eyes upon yet, and I am saddened to say it is from my general political direction
I don't even read the news anymore. I need a legal deposition, a video, or a peer-reviewed study to believe something.
Unlike authright, I don't just suck the TPUSA propaganda cock whenever I need to remember what my opinion is. I actually have beliefs that I can defend.
The issue isn't that the right knows nothing about the left, but that reddit exposes most of this sub to the worst the left has to offer which skews the perception a bit.
the issue IS also that right knows nothing about the left because what they know they just get told by the same guy who they go to for righty tips aka: watch some ben shapiro clone/foxnews/elon/trump.
tldr: THEY EATING THE DOGS THEY EATING THE CATS THEY TRANSIN CHILDREN AND TRANSIN ILLEGAL ALIENS.
And they see nothing wrong with it. The biggest argument against (JR for example, but it's prevalent everywhere) joe rogan's fanbase is that basically no one fact checked his claims about a graph "debunking" climate change and they just went along with him, and he paraded that graph around for multiple months. The fucking graph debunked JR but turns out he, and his fanbase, can't read graphs, or read at all, because the article also explained what the graph represents.
As for PCM - too many times I went into the comment section here to be blasted with truth-socialv2.0 or foxnews-2.0. Now even more so because midterms.
Is it reddit that does that? Feels like every time a post is made on here to make fun of a dumb as nuts "lefty" its screenshots of twitter from 10 years ago.
You’re right bro. I should do my own research which consists of looking at different news media outlets that agree with me and will spin even the most ridiculous stories to suit my opinion.
The biggest thing this thread has done is make me yearn for my childhood, when people turned on Walter Cronkite, Tom Brokaw, or Lloyd Robertson and Peter Mansbridge (in Canada) and simply learned the news. Both sides listened to the same news, because that's all it was - the news.
To preface: I’ve been on pcm since 2019. Is it just me, but ever since the “authright-retarded” era began (for good reason), I’ve seen libleft accounts get legitimately pissed at any silly criticism and post whataboutisms?
I swear auth left and lib right are the only normal people on this sub lately.
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u/WilliamCharlesSchnei - Right 13h ago
You make the rest of us look bad if you make fun of LibLeft but don’t flair up.