It would take 3-4 million soldiers to hold Canada - the US does not have this many - and that doesn’t include the number of military/soldiers you’d need to prevent the guerrilla war we’d be waging inside the U.S..
If you disregard the whole nuclear weapons thing, and if somehow China and Russia weren’t involved - the US could go toe to toe against all the NATO countries at once. Just a glimpse of how much we spend annually on military/defense
Not when europe dumps 40% of your foreign owned debt. Im sure youre imagining a scenario where all your overseas bases in europe sally forth and secure the continent for you, but please remember that every military has issues, and in addition to all the things your military has put band-aids on over the years, your commander-in-huggies is committing some of your biggest assets and stockpiles to Iran, and isnt even winning. Quit drinking the kool-aid, it's mixed with water from the same military bases where it's making people sick...
I’m not. I’m just pointing out those who talk a big game and say they’ll do something big if something impossible happens are only trying to look like they’re bold when really they’re never gonna do anything
Anything that has a likelihood of other than zero has a possibility of happening no matter how small that possibility is. There is no way to be certain that Canada would never be attacked therefore there is some possibility that Canada would be attacked no matter how small that possibility is. I would not stand with a government that attacks without provocation, a neighboring ally.
Their is no way in God's green earth, that the republican party is going to admit 10-13 blue states and 26 potentially blue senators into the union. Nor will the people support such a war. Everyone would article 25 remove trump before that and save their skins as they try to distance themselves from trump and rush to publish their tell-all book first.
They're not planning to do it that way.  Look at what's going on with Alberta.  There plan is to annex Alberta itself first, then slowly get to work on capturing media sources and press throughout the rest of Canada.
The GOP has been funneling money into Quebec and Alberta separatist groups since at least the "Freedom Convoy" occupation in Ottawa where nearly half of all their raised funds originated from right-wing groups in the US.
Maybe you should worry more about what’s happening in your own back yard before doling out sage advice to the former ally you’re now trying to annex economically?
Canada would be treated just like Puerto Rico, raped and pillaged and mortgaged with no representation. PR can never become a state because it's a black hole of debt the Yanks have been abusing for decades
PR has less than 3.3 million people, not even 10% of 42 million. Also Canada has an actual history of being an independent nation, with its own institutions. That has fought the US once before successfully to stay as their own identity. It will not end up like Puerto Rico.
The population if Vietnam was about the same as Canada's is now during the Vietnamese war. US lost there, if you try to oppress the Canadians it will end the same way, loss of Canada, plus a dissolution of the US as we know it.
I haven’t read the article, but I want to stress that this is actually sadly normal. This is what war colleges do.
The US has a plan to invade every country on earth, friendly or not. Famously, there are plans for alien invasions. There are plans for asteroid impacts. There is probably a plan if Cthulhu rises from the seas. This is a good thing, if you’re an American, not unlike an evacuation plan in case of a fire at an office building.
Undoubtedly Canada has decades old plans on what to do if the US does invade.
The only not normal thing about this, is the idiots actually currently contemplating it.
Max Brooks, the author of World War Z and the Zombie Survival Guide, also Mel Brooks' son, was a senior fellow at the Modern War Institute at West Point. He confirmed this when being interviewed about World War Z and said the idea for writing it came from a meeting where they were planning what to do if a zombie apocalypse happened. And yes they do have plans gamed out for pretty much everything they can think of. So if they have plans for zombie outbreaks and alien invasions, they probably actually do have a plan for if Cthulhu rose from the sea.
Look, the fact is that the instant Trump started saber rattling the Canadian military would have started wargaming the invasion. Preparations are already underway for the contingency:
We’re increasing the number of drones owned by the Canadian forces by tenfold, and that’s just the beginning. There’s only one reason to do that.
I’d wager that it has more to do with the threat of Russia invading a NATO state, which would require Canadian mobilization, and Canada absolutely not messing around.
If it is annexed and noone does anything about it (they would, again this entire scenario is an impossibility) then yes the regime would spin it as admittance.
Of coarse you’re right on both counts, the admittance spin and the impossibility of an invasion scenario.
However if it did occur I’m sure Canadians would have the same voting rights as Puerto Ricans…
We can agree to disagree on this but I think its much easier to keep an island a 3 million far away from the continental US a territory. Than a population of 42 million that share a continuous land border with the US that's easily visible.
Had this same conversation with another person in this thread. We can agree to disagree on this. I believe it'll be very hard to keep 42 million people unrepresented when they will add more then 10% the Total US population, and that population sharing a very interconnected border with the current continental US states.
Absolutely, I just think that this would be the bridge to far for everyone around trump. I firmly believe that for however much the craven around Trump blow smoke up his ass for proximity to power. At the end of the day they are self-serving to their cores, and will invoke the 25th to save themselves and their chances at power in the future. In this scenario.
As a Canadian, the only thing that worries me is that this regime will be stupid enough to try it. They don't care about economic and logistical challenges to making victory feasible in any of their others shenanigans, so why stop now? Canadian workers would instantly stop producing the stuff the Yankees need to wage war, instantly collapsing the global economy. Maybe that's what's needed.
Let me guess. These idiots in our administration thought it was a brilliant plan, just 95 years too early. Or is this a plan to normalize Trump's designs on Canada "See we were always planning on invading Canada, only I had the balls to do it" Naturally, forgetting that the two nations share a waterway with several vulnerable choke points.
Trump if anything is transparent with his desires, but he's also lazy. Blowing up fishermen, Venezuela and Iran were litmus tests. The only reason he hasn't invaded Canada and Greenland is because the Iran thing didn't pan out so well.
This is a ghoul who thought Putin taking Crimea in 2014 was a stroke of genius and continues to try to emulate Putin. He's still salty about Ukraine not producing the Biden laptop, so he wants Ukraine to fall for that reason alone.
To be fair, in normal times, this isn’t a big deal. There’s rooms full of crazy contingency plans for almost every scenario one can think of no matter how crazy. The problem is, Trump and his ilk threaten all of our allies and have already gone to war twice to try and make us forget that he is in the Epstein files and Republicans are going out of their way to try and bury them.
The CBC did an interesting podcast about this last year when Trump was actively threatening to invade Canada, Greenland, and possibly Mexico. They make a convincing argument that the US military could successfiully occupy Canada.Â
Whether or not the insanely corrupt and incompetent second Trump regime could actually do it is another matter. Also at this point Trump just seems to be making a demented all-out attempt to shake down every possible country, organization and individual for money.Â
Basically I figure it would actually go a lot like Operation Barbarossa. Very rapid initial gains, but increasing distances would complicate logistics along with lack of existing infrastructure and stiffening resistance would eventually lead to them being halted before achieving victory.
They will not, no. For many reasons. Hegseth is denuding the American military of its leadership, Canada has inked a deal to build a million drones, fighting along an 8900km front is a nightmare.
Trying to run logistics north would be immensely difficult while also having to fight off guerrilla forces. Additionally infrastructure further north in Canada isn’t nearly as extensive as it is in the South, further complicating logistics.
The cost to the U.S. would frankly be devastating. They would likely make very rapid early gains, but as they pushed north logistical challenges would compound with stiffening resistance to eventually turn into a stalemate and a process of attrition.
Pre-World War II, the Department of War (back when it was actually legally called that), had contingency plans for fighting just about every country on the globe. War Plan Orange was for Japan, War Plan Red was Britain and the British Empire, including Canada, India, etc, there were other colors for other countries. Trust me, if you were an independent country, there was a color for you.
FYI. War Plan Orange was actually executed during World War II, though the disaster at Pearl Harbor slowed it down, and aircraft carrier task groups, not battleship battle lines became the focal point of naval action. War Plan Orange was pretty much Admiral Chester Nimitz's 1943-45 thrust through the Central Pacific in broad strokes (with MacArthur's New Guinea, Bismarck Sea, Philippines thrusts as a side show).
This has nothing to do with trump. The department of defense gets paid to plan for ANY eventuality. That includes another civil war. War with Mexico. War with Canada. War with a country if they fight they way they most likely would. But also if they choose a different path due to as yet unforseen external factor.
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u/Epic_Tea 11h ago
Better not. I'll turn on my own country if they try that.