FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC Presidents/Chancellors ask Congress to change Protect College Sports Act’s realignment rules

[u/TrustInRoy]

For context purposes, I'd like to remind everyone that the current Chancellor at UNC is a political crony of the gerrymandered NC Legislature. He is finance bro from Duke who is completely unqualified for his job. If he's signing this, it's because the party that controls the NC General Assembly wants him to.

[u/FreelancingAstronaut]

"and force the SEC/Big10 to invite us"

[u/boomshea → u/FreelancingAstronaut]

Maybe they want the ACC to expand to 22….

[u/StrawberryWaste9040 → u/boomshea]

as long as they are not in that ACC,. that's fine. Maybe they want it like Texas: to leave their old conference AND make sure the old conference is on a deathbad so that can negotiate even more money

[u/Otherwise_Awesome → u/boomshea]

UConn, UMass, WVU, UCF and.... uh..... er.... last ditch effort on ND?

[u/coronaviruspluslime → u/FreelancingAstronaut]

Noooo! The sec TOTALLY wants to add FSU. TOTALLY!

The b1g is ALL IN on clempson!

UNC is gonna leave duke in the dust and BB is gonna win an SEC title one day!

Miami is gonna slide right into the sec! No way florida presses the veto button.

[u/cooterdick → u/coronaviruspluslime]

I believe you mean day one

[u/TrustInRoy → u/coronaviruspluslime]

I mean, UNC is going to join the SEC.

BB should be gone sooner rather than later. No matter who the coach is, I doubt they ever win the SEC in football.  

[u/Wandering_Mallard → u/coronaviruspluslime]

^ mad they're about to get left behind

[u/Benevenstanciano85]

Considering writing Congress to consider drafting legislation to make Dua Lipa go out on a date with me.

[u/Ok_Water_5307 → u/Benevenstanciano85]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wF2bwlLaGwYRnAffzD

[u/Young-Viiperr → u/Benevenstanciano85]

Dua Lipa: What he say fuck me for???

[u/Otherwise_Awesome → u/Benevenstanciano85]

*Parliament

[u/ShamDissemble → u/Benevenstanciano85]

Una Lipa

[u/xmjm424]

22 team conference. Fuck off

[u/TrustInRoy → u/xmjm424]

All conferences should be 10 schools or less.  You should be able to play home and away with every conference team in basketball every season.

[u/StrawberryWaste9040 → u/TrustInRoy]

And not travel from one coast to another for a game

[u/TrustInRoy → u/StrawberryWaste9040]

They should be confined to one time zone (Hawaii and Alaskan schools can be exempt.)

[u/PurpleOwl6100 → u/TrustInRoy]

Id give them adjacent time zones.

[u/stormstopper → u/PurpleOwl6100]

Yeah, no reason Wisconsin and Michigan shouldn't be able to share a conference.

[u/HieloLuz → u/TrustInRoy]

The old acc would be the only conference that fits this. All of them cover at least 2 and have for decades if not since their founding

[u/TrustInRoy → u/HieloLuz]

OK, confined to 2 time zones

[u/exasperated_trains → u/TrustInRoy]

11 teams max, mostly so the BIG can bring back the logo with the hidden 11

[u/TigerWave01 → u/TrustInRoy]

This may be controversial, but I’d really, really hate 10 team conferences. There’s no annual schedule variety, it’s an unequal number of conference games a team plays home and away, and teams only get 3 out of conference games.

If anything, I’d rather have 12 team conferences. That way, you get an equal number of home and away conference games, 4 OOC games (allowing much more power school vs power school games without sacrificing G6 and FCS athletic departments), keep annual schedule variety both in and out of conference, keep conference championship games meaningful rather than being a rematch, AND, assuming 6 Power conferences of 12 versus 7 Power conferences of 10, you’d have 72 Power conference teams (plus Notre Dame) rather than 70 (plus Notre Dame).

EDIT: I’m now realizing this is the basketball sub, though. I’d still prefer 12, but with a 22 game round robin like what the Southland does. Also, Notre Dame to the Big East. Please.

[u/TrustInRoy → u/TigerWave01]

OK.  New rule then.  All conferences go to 10 or less teams, and LSU gives up athletics.

[u/TigerWave01 → u/TrustInRoy]

Okay? Not really sure what LSU has to do with this, I was just offering my opinion on the matter. Also, you gotta flair up if you’re gonna talk bad about other schools.

EDIT: Although I am realizing this is the college basketball subreddit lmao. I do think every conference should be 12, but do 22 games so you still get the round robin. Having the round robin, I do agree on

[u/Low-Traffic9850 → u/TigerWave01]

He has trust in Roy as his name so I am assuming he’s a Holes fan and thus can be ignored…joking/not joking. 🤪

[u/TigerWave01 → u/Low-Traffic9850]

Yk, given the topic of the post and everything, this makes a lot more sense. Thank you for the clarity💀

[u/BlueSoloCup89 → u/xmjm424]

I don’t like the mega-conferences either, but at least 22 would pretty much ensure that most of the ACC would have a landing spot somewhere in the Big Ten/Big 12/SEC if the four schools in the letter leave and cause a shakeup. It does leave the Big 12 a bit vulnerable, though.

[u/Better-Temporary-146]

The more amendments get proposed the less chance that Congress passes this in the lame duck session 

[u/dawonk17 → u/Better-Temporary-146]

It goes from 1% to 0 honestly

[u/Delightful_Dantonio → u/Better-Temporary-146]

This could pass in the lame duck but it is very unlikely. Gonna be a shit show with trump throwing a fit and regular legislation is gonna take a back seat.

[u/SpicyDoritos2 → u/[deleted]]

They were cool with 19 lol

[u/coronaviruspluslime → u/[deleted]]

No way! The b1g/sec want FSU soo bad. Theyre fighting an invisible war to try to get them. FSU football would take over the b1g for sure!

[u/mXonKz]

i actually feel like the state gop legislature wouldn’t want him to do this, or at the very least is split on this decision. there’s been attempts to keep unc and nc state together, for athletic and cultural reasons but financial reasons too given they’re all under the unc school system, not letting nc state fall to a lesser conference is important for some in the legislature. i feel like it’s entirely reasonable to believe lee roberts signed this because the athletics department just wants this option available and it’s not because of a larger gop plan

[u/DrSnoopRob → u/mXonKz]

The larger the SEC/B1G are able to expand, the more likely that NC State ends up with a seat at the big boy table. If there are only 4 more slots available (max 19 teams each) between the 2 conferences, NC State is almost certainly out. If there are 6 more slots available (max 20 ea.) then there is only a small chance that NC State makes it. But if there are 10 more slots available (max 22 ea.), then there is a pretty good chance that the NCGA through the BOG can tie NC State moving to one of those conferences to UNC being allowed to move.

It would not surprise me at all if the NCGA/BOG is behind this action from Carolina.

[u/SideshowCircuits → u/mXonKz]

That is a logical and rational argument so there’s now at in hell the state legislatures actually think it sadly.

[u/SideshowCircuits]

I’d like to inform folks that the rumors are that said UNC chancellor did not realize he was shutting down entire scholarship programs for Appalachian white kids when he shuttered chapel hills DEI programs and then freaked out about not getting as many applicants from there.

[u/TrustInRoy → u/SideshowCircuits]

Sounds exactly like something a Republican crony would do.  

The general consensus among Tar Heels is that Lee Roberts should be put out on an iceberg and set adrift.

[u/SideshowCircuits → u/TrustInRoy]

He should. When I say all DEI I do mean ALL. Every single program even substantially related to outreach, support, hospital and clinic programs the whole 9 yards. Cause the university consolidated all programs to save money before he got there.

[u/AoCNSFW → u/SideshowCircuits]

What’s that? The GOP not understanding the ramifications of legislation/policy they push based on made up social issues? I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked!

[u/SideshowCircuits → u/AoCNSFW]

This is how we still don’t have a state budget coming on 2 years btw. Fucked over everything so much that now whatever they do will damn a major area of their base so no one wants to pull the trigger.

[u/MediumStrange]

There is 0 chance that either the B10 or SEC wants to expand to 22 teams. At 20 I can see grabbing 6 total teams from the ACC that would be attractive, but at 22?

[u/CantaloupeCamper]

As far as realignment goes, none of that stuff needs legislation…

[u/sonofgildorluthien]

I hate all of this

[u/OldGodofAsgard88]

Link to the full story

https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-state-football/138068/fsu-miami-clemson-unc-expansion-realignment-conference-independent-protect-college-sports-act-congress-senate-bill#comments

[u/That_Don_Guy_1]

I doubt that if any changes are made, there will be enough time to get it through the House and then through the Senate again before January 3 - and if it doesn't get to Trump by 12/24, they had better hope that he has forgotten about his promise not to sign any bills before the SAVE America act, as there won't be 10 non-Sundays before Congress adjourns, triggering a "pocket veto" that can't be overridden. Not that the new Congress can't start over from scratch, mind you...

[u/Unable_Apartment_613]

This is a strategy that could really scrap the entire thing. Schools making very specific requests to alter the bill directly and publicly with their elected officials. Get the bill to fragment into 20 30 40 different versions. But let's face it, this is the save SEC football act.

[u/Zeb_920]

How about Congress makes it so that conferences have to go back to their 2010 alignment, with the exception that teams from outside the P5 now in Power conferences get to stay.

[u/J-Dirte]

Conference caps are stupid. 18-20 team conference are like the worst case scenario. At 25 the Big Ten and SEC are basically
Conference like the NFC or AFC. Could add back divisions and the. College football would feel a lot more regional.

[u/bishop491]

President and CEO?

[u/StrawberryWaste9040]

After all these changes there won't be any protections left in the Act

[u/Kryzl_ → u/StrawberryWaste9040]

It hasn’t been the Protect College Sports Act for a while. It’s closer to being the “set up the B1G/SEC Super League Act” at this point

[u/Big_Truck → u/StrawberryWaste9040]

Only thing left will be wage fixing to limit athletes compensation.

[u/peanutbuttertesticle → u/Big_Truck]

That’s all they want. Restrict movement and limit pay.

[u/portrayalofdeath → u/Big_Truck]

Oh no, will someone think of the millionaires? 😞

[u/Massive_Prune_2822]

When UNC leaves for the SEC, I will hope and pray that they become the Maryland of the SEC and hate every minute of it

[u/ZealousOatmeal → u/Massive_Prune_2822]

Me too!

I'm a lifelong Tar Hell (born in UNC Hospital in Chapel Hill to faculty parents, so I mean that literally) and I love the university and hate what the General Assembly's lackeys are turning it into. I've been rooting against the football team since Belichick arrived. I won't add the basketball team to that, but I will stop watching.

[u/cardinaldave79 → u/Massive_Prune_2822]

As a college basketball fan, it would be unfathomable to see UNC to sacrifice all their in-state rivalries within the ACC to instead play in a half empty Galen Center on a Tuesday night. But hey they’ll get a little extra money! I might be too optimistic but I am not buying they’ll leave the ACC until they do. 

[u/ZealousOatmeal → u/cardinaldave79]

The people running the university now have no ties to its history and are pretty much only interested in making big piles of cash, turning UNC into a football school, and funding right wing think tanks. The SEC helps with the first two (and doesn't hinder #3) so it's off we go.

[u/-motts-]

Honestly. Good. Get the complete ruination of college football over with.

[u/knf262]

Who’s going to take UNC with their trash ass football program?

[u/TrustInRoy → u/knf262]

UNC and the SEC already have a handshake deal in place.

It's the flagship public school of a state the SEC wants a footprint in.  And let's be real, UNC athletics is a huge brand.  

[u/BosqueBravo → u/TrustInRoy]

lol ok. Source?

[u/ZealousOatmeal → u/BosqueBravo]

There was a claim about the "handshake deal" made last year. It's also the scuttlebutt around Chapel Hill FWIW. Lastly it would fit with the actions of everyone involved, both at UNC and in the SEC.

Charlotte and the Raleigh-Durham Triangle are big media markets (#21 and 22 nationally) and the SEC would love to get what is the #1 college brand in both of those.

[u/Evening-Spray-4304]

I don't really understand the proposed rule requiring power conference teams to spend 3 years as an independent before changing to a new conference...

Like I understand the aim, its to try to hinder all of the realignment. But I don't think that part of it would ever survive a lawsuit. TBH, most of this probably doesn't. What a waste of time.

[u/BosqueBravo → u/Evening-Spray-4304]

What exactly do you see as the constitutional basis for disallowing the rule? Because if it’s in a law passed by congress, that’s gotta be your basis for a lawsuit. It’s a very different situation from the ncaa created rules.

[u/Evening-Spray-4304 → u/BosqueBravo]

I'm sure the schools can argue that its overly punitive for them. Losing out on conference revenue for 3 years is easily over 100k just from TV deals, and I'm sure there's a lot more from other sources such as conference championships, shares from the NCAA tourney, etc.

I'll admit my ignorance of the minutia of all this, especially with the relationships of schools and conferences. So I guess I overstated that the schools would win, but it certainly would be challenged by the schools pretty quickly. To me it seems like they would have at least a decent case that the rule is a bit arbitrary and would cost them millions in lost revenue in the short term.

[u/BosqueBravo → u/Evening-Spray-4304]

I mean, I guess you could try and argue either a first amendment right of association violation or a fifth amendment due process issue, but I doubt either succeeds. Freedom of association doesn’t mean freedom from any restriction on or regulation of economic activity, and they aren’t making it retroactive so due process is probably fine too.

I doubt there is a challenge, IF it passes. Which is why you see so much lobbying now.

[u/lowes18]

We gone