well if all the people with half a brain seek treatment instead of doing nothing, we might end up having a more intelligent world after such an outbreak
editing to spread the message that this isn't to say that education isn't one of the highest priorities of a society and that people shouldn't do their best to educate the masses on science, whether it relates to disease or anything else.
the answer to ignorance isn't shaming or death, that only increases it. the answer to ignorance is education and the effective and personalized sharing of knowledge
A lot of people cannot access healthcare for many reasons, or it would kill them too quickly to get treatment. Or the treatment could kill them. The world is not black and white. Coronavirus killed many intelligent people who were unable to access the vaccine, or got the disease regardless of vaccination and passed. Intelligence is not the only virtue, as well.
But what if somebody can’t access treatment? Maybe they can’t afford it, maybe they can’t afford the time needed to get treatment or to rest and heal, maybe the infrastructure of their country is not equipped to handle mass events. What if they have a weakened immune system?
"A lot of people cannot access healthcare for many reasons, or it would kill them too quickly to get treatment. Or the treatment could kill them. The world is not black and white."
Education is not a cure or free pass, but very few people died because they couldn’t get a vaccine that were intelligent. Very few passed that actually received the vaccine also. 9 deaths recorded out of 19,000 caused by the vaccine, those were Johnson and Johnson vaccines caused blood clots. Education is key, getting the answers right is key to passing a education.
Holy shit you've got major ignorance and rich privilege problems. You've never heard of disabled and immunocompromised people?? People who don't have cars and the nearest place giving vaccines is 3 hours away?? Gods you're so ignorant while preaching about education.
Many claims about blood clots and miscarriages increase with moms who took it during pregnancy or shortly before. But I do think this odd case is one of those that if it did get out there I would be very concerned.
I got myocarditis due to my second shot of Covid vaccine. I would’ve been better off actually getting Covid. I won’t be doing that again. I’ll risk losing my job if something like that happens again and they force me to take a vaccine that got rushed through.
Bro, you are risking losing more than your job. I actually had family members that refused the vaccine that ended up in the hospital and one even died.
Inflammation of the heart. You do realize you you were a rare case and that you most likely would’ve ended up myocarditis had you gotten full blown Covid right? You were unfortunately that 1 in 160000+ people that was reported to have that side effect.
That being said, I’m sorry you had to go through that. I can both emphasize and sympathize with you. For me, the vaccine was mandatory for me. Because I had late stage renal failure caused by polycystic kidney disease. I either got the vaccine or would be removed from transplant list. Had Covid when it first hit the states February 2020. Two weeks of hell. My kidneys were/are the size of an American football with cyst growth. Non stop puking and everything else constantly had me feeling like o was getting kicked in the nuts.
I respect your decision in the future, I’m only saying I caution you as the alternative very wel could’ve been worse.
I ended up with Covid later anyways. And you needing the vaccine because you have health conditions that puts you at risk makes sense. Like getting the flu vaccine if you are in an at risk group. I wasn’t in an at risk group. But that didn’t matter.
There’s also a significant chance that I wouldn’t have gotten myocarditis without the vaccine and getting Covid. No way to know. But I know what happened instead of a hypothetical. I was forced to get a vaccine that I wanted to wait to get for more research done on since I wasn’t in an at risk group. Nope, became mandatory. I’ll never forgive the government or the medical establishment for telling me to ignore my own knowledge of risk mitigation and calculation.
It wasn't rushed. The technology existed for years. And myocarditis was rare and temporary. If it was indeed from the vaccine and not the disease, it was still better than dying from covid
Zero co-morbidities for Covid, I was most likely not going to die from Covid. Perfect health until I had myocarditis from the second shot. Healthy age, in great shape.
the risk of myocarditis is higher from actual covid than it is from the vaccine. and there are some people who can’t get vaccines for various reasons. you’ve had a bad reaction to an mRNA covid vaccine, so not getting another one out of caution is probably a good idea. however, it’s a bad idea to tell other people to not get vaccinated. vaccines save lives
I’m just speaking for myself. People can do what they want. I’m not anti-vaccine but I definitely would have rather of had more data behind it before I had to have it. I had no co-morbidities, perfect health. Most likely Covid would not have been an issue for me, but I ended up in the hospital with people who had Covid so obviously I couldn’t isolate anymore, had to stop working out until my heart was healthy enough.
Uh oh, I walked into the viper nest. NHI has plenty of resources on the subject for those who'd rather read the science than throw down votes at someone. Even if you only listen to MSM, they ran the same stories in 2023.
I’m confused. Eugenics is the forced selective breeding of people based on whatever genetic traits you believe are superior. The willful ignorance that results in discrediting science isn't genetic, nor am I advocating for the deaths of people who do. But I can't say I’d be surprised or shattered at the idea that someone who doesn't care about the spread of disease dies to a disease. It’s the natural consequence of the action.
Unless you're referring to some technical, random-ass definition of the word eugenics, this isn't eugenics. You’re just throwing words around
A lot of people can’t afford medical care where I live, so they don’t go to the doctor for a cough. It isn’t always about intelligence, not everyone has access.
It’s a pretty common fear response to switch “I can’t” with “I won’t”. I’m not saying there aren’t people who refuse medical treatment for no good reason, but most people I know who can’t afford medical care minimize it by claiming they don’t care because admitting otherwise would cause them too much anxiety over something they can’t fix. It’s easy to assume that the person is just being stubborn, but in the US a single illness can bankrupt someone, so it’s hard to tell the difference unless they’re incredibly wealthy.
I entirely get your sentiment, and agree to a certain point. And, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as my understanding of such things may be woefully outdated or entirely incorrect, but wouldn't hundreds of millions of people infected with and carrying a treatable version of pneumonic plague essentially be asking for a mutated version that could be much more problematic and highly resistant to treatment? I get the urge to thin the herd and prune the dullards, but in so doing you might sharpen the stick and impale yourself. Clunky metaphor perhaps, but I am exhausted from a migraine, so...
That is typically how viruses work. I’m not a biologist or in medical field but I was on loan to one of the most populated county healthcare agencies for yeah and a half doing case management. We got constant updates when a new variant became prevalent.
Thank you for your response. I thought that was the basic gist of how things work, but you see so many people spout off so much laughably wrong views on how things work these days that I was a little hesitant to join the crowd. Welp, I guess we will see how things play out. The maddening part will probably be the constant stream of misinformation and intentional disinformation will give a person whiplash trying to keep up and figure out what is going on. Take care.
That may be true factually, like many things - but don’t you find that awfully callous? Those who are on some level misinformed, and those who are lacking in empathy or critical thinking are the majority/average it would seem - and are not deserving of being robbed of a chance at life and reformation of character. Not to mention that we should all hold a certain level of self-criticism that we ourselves may actually be in any of those groups. I don’t mean to be accusatory or antagonistic towards you, but I struggle with determining the tone and intention of words that aren’t spoken to me irl (and I’m certainly not unique in that regard) and your comment struck something of a nerve in me. Hope you have a good one 👍🏼
I understand what you are saying and yes, for the most part, I agree. It is a somewhat cold statement but it was really more of cynical humor than an honest declaration of the value of one person's life over another's.
On one hand, I should make it clear that the butt of the joke is not people who are simply ignorant or unfortunate enough to be uninformed or uneducated. Nobody's born into this world with knowledge beyond our natural instincts and I can never fault someone for simply never having known. I'm targeting specifically people who are willfully ignorant. It's one of the worst types of people; people who both know nothing and want to stay that way. It's arguably more deplorable to me than one who understands completely and has still chosen to make a bad decision because at least those are made with some kind of rationale. The very act of reasoning with the willfully ignorant is a Herculean task.
My comment was more to do with the disillusionment I feel with this type of person. Though the value of empathizing with such people isn't lost on me either, as my parents fall into the same group in many respects and it always breaks my heart to see their inability to grow because of their own self-limitations. So while I won't stop trying to make people more aware of science and its necessity (out of empathy or indignation) it's also pretty hard to not feel incredibly annoyed with them
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well if all the people with half a brain seek treatment instead of doing nothing, we might end up having a more intelligent world after such an outbreak
editing to spread the message that this isn't to say that education isn't one of the highest priorities of a society and that people shouldn't do their best to educate the masses on science, whether it relates to disease or anything else.
the answer to ignorance isn't shaming or death, that only increases it. the answer to ignorance is education and the effective and personalized sharing of knowledge