that little boot-up jingle is burned into my memory from family trips to the polling station. my parents would let me press the button to confirm their vote and i felt like i was launching a spaceship or something
always thought it was wild that they went with linux for these machines, but it makes perfect sense for something that needs to be locked down and auditable. the penguin on a voting terminal is such a flex honestly
brazil's been doing electronic voting longer than most countries and the whole system is weirdly satisfying to watch in action. the speed they count results after polls close still catches people off guard
I checked their previous activity, they are a bot. I know how to read
Edit: the most absolute thing that isn't just 'feels like ai' is that they apparently watch FTA in Perth Australia and also have coworkers in Lexington Kentucky 2 days ago that apparently swear by some Pet Fine Arts place (on a different continent?)
I’m gonna register an official complaint with TSE: the sound of my voting machine was extremely low this election! I almost couldn’t hear the PI LI LI!
This a denial of my Brazilian constitutional rights! All we Brazilians wait the whole election to hear it and when the day comes it’s like 10 decibels?!?!?
I love linux, but voting should be done by paper. It is impossible to detect that system doesn't have vulnerability in its code, in kernel or even in hardware.
Paper ballot, everyone knows exactly how it works and any tampering is easy to spot. The trust that electronic voting was counted correctly you need to manually count and compare, and if you have to manually count anyway why not to use it as primary and perhaps use electronic voting as a way to check it.
The problem with paper ballot is not the voting, it's what happens after the voting part. In Brazil there were cases of parties setting places on fire to "erase" some votes. Also miscounting can happen
Digital security is very advanced, in fact we rely our money, our flight security, a lot other vital stuff on digital transactions
This kind of argument implies that all those other things should be done manually as well. A regression IMO
The difference is, the banks have a vested interest in keeping your money secure, and if fraud does happen they can roll those transactions back - even years later. With completely electronic voting machines, the party that wins can just delete the obvious evidence and shut down any deeper investigation, especially if they're also the ones currently in power.
Personally I like to see a hybrid approach: when voting it records it electronically while also printing onto paper you can visually check. The electronic record is then used for the initial count, and if anyone disputes it they can then do a manual re-count using the paper copies. Any fraud would need to both compromise the electronic version and destroy the paper copy, making it much harder.
What stops the winning party from getting rid of the paper evidence too or stopping any further investigation as an attack to elections that doesn’t deserve to be heard? There’s nothing that prevents any fraud except the whole country being engaged in protecting the process. But I agree that it could be both: a fast electronic result and a slower paper counting that just confirms the numbers days later.
Mainly the obviousness of it. While it wouldn't be too hard to hide surface-level evidence of electronic tampering allowing them to go "since there is no evidence of tampering, a deeper investigation would be a waste of taxpayer money!," the paper copies disappearing would be a huge red flag in and of itself.
LOL you're clearly not Brazilian. We are living probably the biggest banking fraud/scam in our history. You can Google "Banco Master"
Because digital transaction security is totally the exact same thing as a bank fraudulently selling investments! Or something 🙄
And I have no idea why you brought up banking as secure if you are now turning around and pointing to it as a source of fraud. It kinda disproves your earlier point, yes?
A recount after the people went home with their paper? That sounds waaay easier to get out of control
That's a nice straw man, but no one said anything about letting voters bring the paper home.
Yeah, but when this happens you know something fishy was going on. When fraud is committed digitally, unless they were sloppy, you will newer know.
Digital security is very advanced, in fact we rely our money, our flight security, a lot other vital stuff on digital transactions
This kind of argument implies that all those other things should be done manually as well. A regression IMO
No it's not, that's very different than voting. With banking if money is missing from your account you will notice. If you get more money than you supposed to, the bank will notice or thee other person whose money is missing. Everyone is checking everyone and the electronic system is only there to make transactions faster.
With voting, the problem is that once you cast your ballot, how do you know your actual voting was recorded? You don't. You might get a receipt (in some cases) but then you still don't have a way to validate it.
One suggested solution is blockchain, and yeah that allows you to verify it, but introduces another one. Nobody should be able to force somebody to vote certain way, this is for example why they don't allow two people to go into same voting booth. Yeah, somebody could bribe someone else or threaten them, but they have no way to verify the vote was actually cast one way or the other.
This is why most countries still use paper ballots, then store it in see through box and when counting, people from different parties are all observing the process. This is because no one trust anybody and this way we can ensure that nothing fishy was going on.
It's crazy that the biggest proponents of electronic voting are people that are least familiar with technology and programming.
Anyone that still don't see the problem I recommend one of the fathers of Unix, Ken Thompson's lecture that he gave after he received the Turing Award in 1983:
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u/benjamarchi 13h ago
Hell yeah! I absolutely ADORE the sound this makes when you input your vote. This piece of tech makes me happy, it's extremely handy and useful!