So I saw this tweet earlier and it inspired me to do some research. I never really bothered with any of the Zack Snyder DC movies 'cause I was kind of bored with the superhero genre at that point and Man of Steel just looked too grey. I heard some mediocre reviews from critics and that they weren't financially successful, but I didn't realize how bad. I decided to compare the world box office returns and rotten tomatoes scores of "first phase" DCEU properties and Marvel films releasing around the same time.

The differences were stark.

Man of Steel released in 2013, it's worldwide box office was $670.1 million and Rotten Tomatoes has it at a 56% critics score and 75% audience score.

That same year Iron Man 3 earned $1.21 billion worldwide and Rotten Tomatoes has it at a 79% Critic Score and 78% Audience Score. Also that same year, Thor: The Dark World earned a worldwide box office of $644.6 million and has a 64% Critic Score and 74% Audience Score on RT.

So Snyder's Superman movie, based on one of the most recognizable superhero characters on earth, was broadly in the same bracket as Thor. Now while I like Thor, I don't really think he's "Superman" tier.

Batman v Superman released in 2016, its worldwide box office was $874.36 million, RT has it at a 28% critic score and a 63% audience score.

That same year Marvel released Captain America: Civil War with a worldwide box office of $1.15 billion, RT has it at a 90% critic score and an 89% audience score. Marvel also released Doctor Strange with a worldwide box office of $676 million and RT scores of 89% critics and 86% audience.

Now if we're counting theatrical releases (yeah yeah, "muh theatrical Justice League wasn't Zack Snyder's vision) we've got Justice League with a worldwide Box Office of $661 million. Its RT score puts critics at 39% and audiences at 66%

Competing with Justice League was a slate of Marvel films which literally all outperformed it.

Guardians of The Galaxy Vol. 2 made $869 million, Spider-Man: Homecoming made $878 million, and Thor: Ragnarok made $850 million. All three of them had Rotten Tomatoes critic and audience scores at or near 90%!

I checked out Suicide Squad which has a poor RT rating from critics and audiences, bizarrely it made $749 million worldwide. Wonder Woman seems to have been the only DC product that was both a financial and critical success. EDIT: I was reminded that Aquaman actually broke the billion dollar ceiling with $1.58 Billion making it the most successful DC film for... reasons, I guess.

I guess an open question for the subreddit is: are the other communities that have a completely imaginary idea for how popular/successful an IP is? Or like, people who've just completely deluded themselves into thinking that a flop was actually a success? Morbius posters not withstanding.

So to help clarify, I am just talking about the media that turns audiences away from it because of the strong amounts of cynicism used since few people want to give it a chance as a result.

Like a game that sticks out to me the most is called the Witch and the Hundred Knight since I won’t say too much, but a particular revelation in the game was so dark that it soured player’s interests in the game because of how twisted the revelation was. (Hint, it’s the mice scene)

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"[Fandom is] only going to get worse from here" Caine said, blissfully unaware.

In an interview with GQ, Ali said that if Marvel Studios ever does get around to making a Blade movie, it won’t be with him.

“The best way I can answer this question is, when I look at what is for me, is it was either this or that — and I'll take this,” Ali said, referencing his new movie, Your Mother Your Mother Your Mother.

“No offense to them. I've been doing this professionally for pushing 30 years now, and one thing I've learned is that what is for you is for you and what is not is not. For whatever reason, that project is not for me. If they wanted to do it, we would've done it. So I have to move on, and I have moved on. Your Mother Your Mother Your Mother feels very much in alignment with the type of work I want to be known for. I don't really want to be known for remakes. I’d love to do original work that resonates with people and impacts them in unique ways.”

“So, I'm good,” he continued, laughing. “Again, you had me under contract, they have billions of dollars, if they wanted to do the movie, we would've done the movie. So we're not doing the movie. When I look at this and Blade, I couldn't have done both, and the reason this even exists is because that project fell apart and Bassam [Tariq, director who was helming Blade before stepping down in 2022] had the time, space, energy, and focus to go and write this and then re-approach me.

Amused by this Japanese poster for The Backrooms, with a blurb from Hideo Kojima describing it as "a liminal space version of CUBE". The cult of CUBE was one of the first big-in-Japan phenomena to mystify me after doing some research. People who've never seen Star Wars have seen CUBE. Some have even seen CUBE 2: Hypercube.

Once you notice this, you can't unsee the film's impact on the culture. Every work of Japanese entertainment from the past 30 years in which people suddenly wake up trapped and/or are forced to compete in some deadly escape room-style contest owes a debt to CUBE (see last year's Exit 8, whose director is also blurbed on the poster, and Kojima's own PT). It's ironic when the influences circle their way back via things created after being inspired by the original source.

The other 2 pics are from Streets of Fire (1984), one of the other more well known examples of this. Bombed everywhere but Japan, where it went on to influence everything from Final Fight to Bubblegum Crisis.

EDIT: Trailer for Streets of Fire (1984)

Probably going to settle around the 40-50% range. And if you're curious, the original film is currently at a 59% on RT.

The full jargon of it all is what really gets me. Feels like a whole new region of English that I can only just sort of understand.

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You know how a movie franchise or TV show used to be popular and overall well recieved then that one movie or season releases and it's so bad that fans and audiences not only lose hope for the future of the franchise but start hating the previous entries in retrospect.

Like before Season 8, I would still hear how GoT was the best show ever but after that season, fans started dunking on seasons 5 to 7 too. Suddenly people started to realize the writing became bad way before season 8 but it took them this long to see that for some reason.

Disney star wars had it's best run with TFA and Rogue One back to back then TLJ released. Not only Solo bombed and no one was exited for TroS but fans started to dislike TFA too. The last jedi damaged the brand permanently. Despite popular entries once in a while, the franchise never became what it used to be.

Some of the youtubers I was watching were glazing Seasons 1 to 3 of the Boys show. But after season 4, all of them changed their mind and they are not exited for season 5 anymore. That season was so bad it drained the entire reputation of the show.

What are other examples of this phenomenon where you hear glaze for something but after one bad entry, it all changes?

Miyamoto replied that while he understood some of the negative points aimed at The Super Mario Bros Movie, he thought the reception would be better for the sequel.

“It’s true: the situation is indeed very similar,” he said. “Actually, regarding the previous film, I felt that the critics’ opinions did hold some validity. “However, I thought things would be different this time around—only to find that the criticism is even harsher than it was before.

“It really is quite baffling: here we are—having crossed over from a different field—working hard with the specific aim of helping to revitalize the film industry, yet the very people who ought to be championing that cause seem to be the ones taking a passive stance.”

I am a big lover of horror flicks. My fourth grade kid is an adorable little coward about scary stuff, but apparently his class voted on a movie party for live action horror films and his teacher is taking suggestions. So what to do? Goosebumps fine? Looking for suggestions that won't get this poor lady fired. Horror comedies come to mind but all the ones I grew up on have a scene or two that defies their age recommendation. Also gotta find it easily because we live in a non English country and need subtitles.

Quick edit 2 hours later: The chat might make it seem like I'm making this difficult but really I'm having a blast talking about this. Thanks all.