r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 13h ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ Exactly this...

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u/memesandcosplay 13h ago

Neither is a governmental system. Capitalism breeds fascism, though, because when the people's needs aren't met, they'll rally behind anyone who promises them a better life. In socialism, you find true democracy because the community works together to support each other rather than competing for scraps.

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u/Hour-Football2464 13h ago

This makes me sad bc true

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u/username_tooken 9h ago

In socialism, you find true democracy because the community works together to support each other rather than competing for scraps.

Oh really? Care to provide examples? Because when I think of socialist countries — North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, China — “true democracy” isn’t exactly the first thought in my mind, so its curious to see the dichotomy you’ve drawn up between capitalist states and socialists states.

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u/Time_Screen_9399 12h ago

You're talking about altruism. It can exist in both systems. Also both systems can result in extreme populism and nationalism, a recipe for totalitarianism (which fascism is a subtype of).

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u/King_of_the_Kobolds 11h ago

When the richest man in the world is a ketamine addicted Nazi who helped rig an election for a bloated fascist pedophile, it gets hard to see altruism and capitalism as something that coexist so much as hardy strains of altruism managing to survive in the hostile ecosystem of capitalism.

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u/Time_Screen_9399 11h ago

And socialist countries have perfect record of elections and winners?

Before you say there hasn't been a true socialist society, you should know that also means there's no evidence suggest socialism can handle corruption better than capitalism.

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u/Gioware 11h ago

Rig an election?! Please. You elected him. TWICE.

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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 11h ago

Where's the altruism with the rich fucks at the top of our capitalist system?

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u/RandomUser15790 12h ago

Ummm. Socialism is entirely a government system devoid of economics...

What?

Socialism just means - a transitionary government working towards the end goal of communism.

They can be democratic. They can be totalitarian. They can be capitalist. They can be command economy. They can be a mix match of any of them and more.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about while confidently spewing lies.

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u/Lost-Promise6677 12h ago

I'm not sure any government system can be devoid of economics.

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u/RandomUser15790 12h ago

Being Democratic doesn't require capitalism.

Being a Republic doesn't require feudalism.

Being Totalitarian doesn't dictate a singular economic system.

There are socioeconomic ideologies that look at one or both political systems and ecomic systems. "One or" is the key part. Because they don't NEED to look at BOTH.

Examples:

Capitalism - only economic

Communism - political and economic

Democracy - only political

Understand?

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u/RandomUser15790 12h ago

Read comprehension...

The economics are irrelevant to the term 'socialism'. As I said it can have any form of economics or government system. The important part is the end goal and fulfillment of transitioning to Communism.

That's socialism. That's it. Nothing more nothing less.

THERE IS NO REQUIRED ECONOMIC OR GOVERNMENT SYSTEM TO BE SOCIALIST!

Plain and simple. If you have an opinion otherwise you are flat out wrong and need to go pick up a book.

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u/No_Consideration4779 12h ago

So confident and oh so wrong. Go off tho queen.😂😭

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u/RandomUser15790 12h ago

What substance truly an enlighted opinion!

"Nuh uhhh! U wrong!"

I broke down the general idea of socialism. Care to give the literal minimum effort explaining how I'm "wrong"? I need a good laugh.

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u/No_Consideration4779 12h ago

I’m not stupid, the worst debates to have are the ones you try to have with stupid people. Just based on the comments before this I could already tell it wasn’t gonna be a productive argument, so nah I’m good. I don’t need to convince you you’re wrong, I just wanted you to know we’re all laughing at you behind our screens. Enjoy your little giggles tho bud!👍✌️

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u/RandomUser15790 12h ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoursTea/s/x88H2TicPj

If you don't understand socioeconomic here's a crash course

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u/Time_Screen_9399 10h ago

THERE IS NO REQUIRED ECONOMIC OR GOVERNMENT SYSTEM TO BE SOCIALIST!

There are many interpretations of what socialism should look like, but the universal baseline is that the means of production are owned socially/publicly rather than privately. That is fundamentally an economic model, not just a system of government.

By your criteria, if the US suddenly decided communism was its end goal while changing nothing else, would that make it a socialist country? If so, the word "socialism" becomes completely meaningless to you, and is an entirely different concept from what everyone else is discussing.